For future reworks, if you could take Vladimir's concept in one direction, which one would it be?

Blood Magicks··12 votes·1,420 views

It's no secret that our guy's current concept is dated and a mess, even though his lore IMO is among the coolest in the game. There was a hot male character thread last night and the replies got me thinking Vladimir 's current concept is somewhat split between two of the types of desirable male fans described. These were:

  • An incubus-like promiscuous vampiric creature which uses magic to achieve its goals; confident, darkly handsome and extremely dangerous
  • A sadistic scholar of the dark arts who uses his magic to obtain beauty, power and the adoration of the opposite sex (and user Tides of Blood)

I myself am a firm supporter of the second option, because it is fresh, far less generic and utterly terrifying. But as it is his concept is equally split between both and the sooner it is clarified, the sooner we can have a unique champion who is the other one of those things. You could say Vladimir is a vampire name, but to us Slavs that is not quite true - it means "he who rules the world" and is ironically the name of the infamous most powerful man in the world, so it could equally well belong to a power-hungry, hyper ambitious mage. There is also his awesome lore and involvement with a mage order and Sion. (Also, Dracula's first name was Vladislav.) On the other hand every. single. skin. Vlad has is a vampire reference (Soulstealer being Legacy of Kain, for which I thank you wholeheartedly, Riot, and Academy being Twilling which makes me less happy).

So, which one would you prefer and why?

(Alucard, I believe Vlad's original inspiration)

http://imgur.com/MLxILe1.jpeg

(Some outrageously hot blood mage concept that was likely inspired by Vlad)

http://imgur.com/dXvzmE4.jpg

18 Comments

Malicious Metal9 votes

Honestly, even thought it has become the butt of a lot of jokes, I think Vlad shouldn't be a vampire. He works better as an example that even unconventional types of magic can be revered in Noxus and used to climb that slippery ladder to the top of the Noxian food chain.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

While true, what IS conventional magic in Noxus?

Ralanr2 votes

First you need to ask, "what is conventional magic?"

Magic is more or less a rarity in the world (our champions aren't normal people) and some areas shun it entirely (Demacia).

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Eh. The more lore we get the less believable the "magic is rare" becomes. We have one of the big two nations totally run by mages (Swain and Leblanc), another filled with ancient magic artifacts and at least 4 demigods (Shurima), two entirely magic races (yordles and the animal people who I'm not going to bother to try and spell right), a mountain that is linked to a magic space empire (Targon), a country were magic isn't scarce (Ionia), and a city whose entire economy seems to be run by magi-tech (Piltover/Zaun).

The only places where magic actually seems rare is Demacia and Bilgewater. And while admittedly that is part of why they're my favorite spots even then in Bilgewater they're almost annually attacked by a magic spirit island and have a very magical creepy religion that's influencing everything. While Demacia has two ancient magic protectors just hanging about and has enough magic for frequent mages, demons, and inquisitions apparently.

At this point I'd be more surprised if a story about a location occurs that doesn't focus on magic.

Ralanr2 votes

I can see your point, but consider the relativity of magical places and people compared to population sizes (which I assume are rather large).

Magic is rare, but our lore keeps focusing towards it. I would love to see some more non magic focused lore though.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

You see, to me even that sounds suspect.

For example, take Bilgewater. Let's assume that Illaoi is the only person in the entire city that can use magic. She isn't, Waarghobo has mentioned her acolytes can also do the judgment ritual thing, but whatever, let's just say she is. Magic still wouldn't be rare there since they literally have a magic invasion every year. Everyone has to have had frequent interactions with magic.

I'm going to skip over Ionia completely, because everything I've heard about that entire continent sounds like magic is a daily occurrence. The same with Piltover/Zaun with their chem-barons and magi-tech.

Fighting off void monsters is so common in Targon that the entire Rakkor culture seems to have developed around it. Not to mention there is brief mention of an oracle.

Really, the only place that Riot has gone out of their way to show that magic is "rare" has been Demacia. But even then it's weird because despite the rarity magic seems to pop up in every village we visit. Garen kills an old rock hag terrorizing one village. Lux fights Nocturne that is terrorizing another. Magic has to be pretty darn common that they have apparently started to develop specific anti-magic armor.

If, at this point, every city that we've seen, and almost every culture has magic dominating it either blatantly or in the background, how can we ever try to make the argument that magic is rare?

And it gets even weirder when we see that sometimes magic is just treated as something you can learn like in Piltover. If it's a craft, then what's to keep it from spreading?

Over Innsmouth6 votes

Personally a fan of the latter concept surprise surprise. One of the interesting things about Vladimir to me is that while he drinks of the vampires calling-card, he himself is not limited by the same restrictions as one. A hedonistic, self-serving human who delved into dark arts for no one but himself strikes me as more interesting than a character who commits bloody murder out of a biological need.

He could gain a bit more black with a hopeful VGU, y'know, Noxus colours, but still remain primarily pale and crimson.

Escheton2 votes

I would go into the area of blooddrinking ability stealing life-thief. As in, steal their identity.

I'd make him a hybrid champ with a different ult. Instead of +magic damage debuff. I'd let it passively work on his other abilities like little trundle ults. Except offence. Where his actual scalings change based on who he attacks with what. And a short buff active on Vlad himself that drains ad and/or ap in a small area. (Might tag 3 enemies if they are really clustered, but thats about it)

And with that a whole story of classic vampire having to take new identities to avoid angry mobs etc.

reaperteaser2 votes

vlad is not a vampire, nor will he ever be. he probably knows some vampiric magic but that doesn't make him a vampire. remember that he is noxion, and noxions always give wolf his chase. vampires cheat death, vlad doesn't try to cheat kindred he just prolongs it. hes the darkly scholar that makes puns and has an affinity for blood magic. he can be monster like with his lack of conscience, but he is still a living human.

the only thing vlad needs are more puns

GreenLore1 votes

While I agree that the second interpretation is more unique than the first,there is little to support this,as none of Vlads quotes or his current lore refer to any of that.(though he shouldn't care much about beauty,because Elise is already doing that)

In general I fear that at the current speed of VGUs and lore updates,Vlad will likely get his lore update before he gets a VGU,meaning the lore team will have to work with his current VO(which they did pretty well with Mundo)

Sure they changed Dianas personality quite a lot in her lore update(as she isn't as bitter as her ingame counterpart in the new lore),but Diana had a pretty iconic lore,that didn't change that much,wheras Vlads current lore is pretty forgettable and will likely be redone from scratch.

Blood Magicks1 votes

I can see how none of his quotes would support it, but come on, his lore? Hermitic monks in a mountain temple studying disturbing magical arts?

EDIT: Also beauty = power, especially for a nobody such as him, so he should care a lot.

GreenLore1 votes

I am actually pretty sure that Vlad will be a noxian noble in the new lore(his clothes look rather expensive and Darius who doesn't like nobles lists him as a rival),so he wouldn't be a nobody.

Blood Magicks2 votes

He currently isn't a nobody but he was one when he killed two kids and had to run away from Noxus. He likely used a wide range of talents to get to his current position, including extreme charms.

GreenLore1 votes

Well in general I wouldn't count too much on his lore remaining that way once he gets it updated. He is one of those champs,where I think it is likely that they'll get a complete overhaul to their lore.

I mean he does seem to have an actual cult in the new lore(seen in the sion promo) and connections to the black rose,which are both things that aren't part of his current lore.

Blood Magicks1 votes

Well, he likely underwent a bit of character development after returning to his home state. Same as Garen x Kat - it's canon though not quite happened yet in Garen's lore.

I think they will still keep the mountain temple and the like. Stuff's pretty cool.

SEKAI1 votes

Mma idea because I'm selfish and only care for myself:

He should be someone who's got some unknown and impossibly rare deadly disease (possibly man-made and experimental) that causes his blood to go bad and failing his body. He managed to learn some kind of blood magic before his demise (can be expanded on) and so he starts running around using magic to transfuse blood into himself and exchange blood with others to prevent himself dying (effectively spreading the disease onto others while he's at it), even if that's only delaying the inevitable. He holds an apocalyptic and an extremely cynical world view due to his condition, and couldn't careless with the epidemic he'd caused from his doing.

Evil, downright disgusting even, but stylish. He will be a DoT mage with drain-sustain capabilities, suitable for roaming and hit-and-run tactics.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

I didn't even think he was a 'Vampire'. I always thought he was a Hemomancer.

Dragon Master1 votes

I've always wanted him to be a bit darker similar to Blood Lord. I feel he needs to be more primal while not like Warwick but someone who can go from a sly charm oozing blood mage to a monster with a thirst for blood that cannot be sated.

Also if Vlad does get updated the blood ball needs to go. It looks ridiculous. Also, if the blood ball goes then that opens up a whole bunch of new animations for him.

For clarity we all know Vlad hurts himself to perform half of his abilities so why not show that Inuyasha style? I always felt that would look better and portay his theme and kit better than a silly blood ball.

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