"Sion, beware of Ravens."

Ralanr··53 votes·2,668 views

Apparently Boram said this to Sion.

So what does this mean? Potentially this means that Beatrice is very old and perhaps has had many appearances in Noxian history. Maybe perched on the shoulders of men and women of power (though not always the most powerful of their standing), almost like she acts through or with powerful figures.

And who is she with now? That's right, Swain the current leader of Noxus. Originally I thought Beatrice as the true mastermind, a being that uses corpses as hosts to do its bidding while it plays the creepy pet. But maybe that isn't the case? Maybe Beatrice is a demon that tends to make deals with mortals in exchange for something, but while TahmKench gobbles up his victims at a later date. Beatrice has bigger desires.

See, Tahm is gluttony and while he will wait for a meal his hunger will eat away his patience. Hence why he has specific dates on when to "catch up" with his buddies.

I'd argue that Beatrice is a demon of greed, who seeks to keep attaining more and more standing. For her, increasing the pile is her purpose (while Tahm's is to eat it when it's big enough).

But why would Boram tell Sion to beware of ravens? Maybe Lord Darkwill made a deal that he later regretted. Maybe he tried to weasel out of it?

The devil always gets his due, and we all know who had a big hand in Boram's demise (in theory anyway): Swain, Beatrice's current "owner".

Just food for thought.

TahmKench: Yummy.

45 Comments

Dataless40 votes

It sure would be cool if this game had actual, unified lore for it's world and characters. Oh well, maybe in 10 years.

rtbf22561824112 votes

Yeah...kind of ridiculous how much potential there is for so many things but it'll never get realized thanks to fucking "iteration" and "expansion" when we all know it'll take so long to finish in the end because of this, not to mention how much will be forgotten.

I'm still waiting for the War of The Three Sisters to start, goddamnit!

GGLineaR5 votes

After the next Ryze rework.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

We used to have that, in League's Golden Age. Before the dark times.... before the lore wipe...

Wolfeur1 votes

Uhh, Universe?

Dataless3 votes

Universe is nowhere near concise and inclusive enough to be considered "quality lore" for a game of this magnitude and age. It is a collection of world building bits and character vignettes. It's decent storytelling, but Riot has so far to go it's laughable.

I Main Swain2 votes

yeah, i think they should create some kind of organization in the world of runeterra where nations solve their conflicts. some kind of league maybe

Ralanr2 votes

That'd be boring as that would mean we can't have conflicts because that league would take care of it.

The most dramatic thing you could do in lore is have a threat destroy the league, but you can't really do anything after that gets resolved.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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That'd be boring as that would mean we can't have conflicts because that league would take care of it.

The most dramatic thing you could do in lore is have a threat destroy the league, but you can't really do anything after that gets resolved.

This comment is really good. The grandparent comment was definitely being facetious, but this one is on the line enough I can't tell whether you're continuing that or responding seriously.

+1, well done

Ralanr1 votes

It's a little of both.

ahferroin71 votes

It did, then they decided that the lore that actually explained not just the backgrounds of champions, but why in the world the game as we know it exists at all was too restricting, and just said "nope, that's not canon anymore" without rewriting any of it.

Dataless1 votes

I was being sarcastic, I am well aware that League used to have lore, and I thought that the Journal of Justice was f-cking amazing.

Chembaron Yamada8 votes

Flashbacks from Pandora Hearts Thank you for that. ^^

It would be a great story hook in my opinion. Having Beatrice as a demon manipulating the man in power in Noxus seems interesting and explains some stuff. We know that Noxus used to be a country without any resources on their own and so they had to conquer new land. Having a powerful supernatural being on their side to do so makes sense.

But: With the recent interactions, it gets mentioned that Swain has Vastaya blood and it seems that is the source of his power. That makes it a bit less likely that his power comes from a demon in my opinion.

Ralanr10 votes

Possibly, or perhaps having Vastayan blood makes it so he can get more power from Beatrice. Like how certain blood types can either only accept from similar donors or universal donors.

Magic doesn't actually have a complicated rule system yet in lore, so it can do almost anything at the moment.

Edit: other contracts were just deals to influence people. But Swain is an actual warlock who gets real power.

FantasySniper2 votes

It could also be that Beatrice is from the Vastayan pantheon herself.

With gods/demons being legitimate entities in this universe, they could easily change locale and "worshipers".

SEKAI1 votes

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Flashbacks from Pandora Hearts Thank you for that. ^^

Though PH's Raven didn't really want much or pull any tricks. He kinda just sit there and question whether or not you're worthy enough to make contract with him. He's also pretty tame and incredibly loyal once you can show him who's the boss. He just carries a pretty scary and intimidating personality, that's really it.

So I wouldn't say Beatrice reminds me of the Raven in PH.

But ayyy. Raven.

..............

Also, if want to reply, please keep it as spoiler-free as possible.

Sahn Uzal4 votes

With the recent interactions, it gets mentioned that Swain has Vastaya blood and it seems that is the source of his power. That makes it a bit less likely that his power comes from a demon in my opinion.

IIRC Riot mentioned that if they decide that this doesn't make sense with whatever Swain will be post VGU, they'll remove that quote.

Cryo008 votes

I wonder if Darius himself knows what's really up with Swain.

CasterGilgamesh9 votes

IMO i don't think darius knows whats up with swain but he most likely suspects something (he isn't an idiot) but he is willing to over look them just because swain gets shit done.Darius seems more to care about results over anything so far.Also i think darius has a great character riot isnt tapping into Darius has so much influence in the military he could have risen to power himself but chose instead to raise swain because he knows he himself might not have the knowledge it takes to lead a whole army and city state.

Melledoneus2 votes

Darius is the kind of person to say "you can be weird, but as long as you get it done I'm with you. Try anything funny, though, and your head rolls."

Although Swain would most likely melt Darius in a fight.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

well swain isnt immortal so its not like he could control noxus with his own power alone he needs darius without darius he wouldnt have enough military support which would (if he tries to take noxus by force lead to a civil war which in tern would make them too weak to defend against demacia (also the chance he might die in the process) Also Darius is great at raising moral just by how much all the men admire him (and fear)

Melledoneus1 votes

Of course, no disagreement there. Swain and Darius need each other to #MakeNoxusGreatAgain.

But in a 1v1 fight, Swain definitely has the upper hand with his malicious, powerful, face-melting magical birds.

Hexs Fortune3 votes

Or it could be that time Rhaast thought he was a beautifully blossoming bird bouncing buoyantly through bodacious birth!

...and sion his egg shell.

Fly Fly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO18eVlFrw8

I Main Swain2 votes

personally i always liked to think of Beatrice as Swain's sassy/sarcastic sidekick like every good disney villain

Killaburn1 votes

ok. nice theory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish riot would see this because its perfect and a having dark mystery plot twist in stories are great tbh :D

junglerboy161 votes

Also makes sense if you think about how real world ravens, crows, jackdaws, etc. all collect items in small hordes, usually seen as a sign of greed and avarice...

jama6551 votes

What if swain just controls all ravens?

ahferroin71 votes

Except that's essentially Fiddlesticks' schtick... (ravens are just really big crows that people decided needed a different name)

Ralanr1 votes

Ravens and crows are different. Crows are a lot more social.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

Crows and ravens are different....

Azteryz1 votes

where are you finding this?

Ralanr2 votes

Finding what?

Azteryz1 votes

the quote :o

Ralanr1 votes

Go read Sion's color text. It's at the end.

Azteryz1 votes

oh thats right

so its been years since ive read the text and i've been a huge fan of sion since

Sad Tyrant1 votes

It actually makes sense

Krabohod1 votes

TahmKench is NOT Demon of Gluttony. He is Demon of Desires and Greed. And I mean Greed. He is not wanting to eat all, that's Cho'Gath thing. He wants more specific "meals" - meals, that cooked on desires, which are in a too many cases build on greed. He doesn't even eat anything in game, he just carryies you in mouth to your destination.

apart from that, I like this theory. But where did you get info about Boram's words?

Edit: I think Beatrice is more demon of Power, than Greed

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly I have trouble differentiating between gluttony and greed when I think of what Tahm represents.

Krabohod1 votes

Let say this that way: He is not Demon of Gluttony, cause gluttony isn't his end goal. He comes for you not because of Gluttony. But because you have desires and thus he can make a cool offer to you, which will result in deal. He wants to eat only people that "done f'cked up", but eating them is not about eating. It's about giving person what he wants and then taking it away with his life as bonus.

Blitzidious1 votes

I think it makes most sense that Beatrice would be a Demon of Pride.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

people mistake greed for gluttony because too much greed leads to Gluttony

Triple3T1 votes

This would have been a cool theory but can you fit the vastayan in there? A quote from Rakan and Xayath state that Swain is of vastayan blood.

Ralanr1 votes

Apparently Riot said they may remove that quote if it didn't make sense with the rework.

Meep Man1 votes

I honestly don't get how Riot can shove in our face so many times that Swain IS evil, yet people still want to say he is just "wanting the best for the nation of Noxus, which includes necromancy, genocide, and other forms of horrific actions".

Ralanr1 votes

Because Noxus has a really poor history when it comes to not looking evil.

Sometimes I can't even imagine people smiling in Noxus unless it's for enjoyment in evil pleasures. Like watching people beg or joking about poor people.

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