I love Vayne's new lore. I just wish she had more depth.

Blood Magicks··36 votes·5,230 views

Vayne's new story and lore are a pleasure to read. She's so much more fleshed out, more real and way darker than before, in a disturbing but fascinating way. She's the darker side of Demacia we begged to see and she's more Batman than Van Helsing now, which is also nice.

http://i.imgur.com/QK5MsUd.jpg

I just have one little wish: I wish she were bigger, cleverer and more important than a single minded vengeance-focused monster gore fetishist:

  • I wish her stories focused on the cunning and intelligence she used to get where she is. I'm not sure it's even implied: in her short story she straight up Vaynes out.

  • I wish she had more vision: I wish she wasn't living her life to risk it for the next kill but instead carefully planned the eradication of the dark arts

  • I wish this made her politically involved, and there was a highly-upvoted earlier thread about her unfinished business with the Black Rose from the old lore: Regarding the upcoming Vayne lore and some things left unfinished from the Journal of Justice

  • Finally, and I believe this goes for many Vayne fans, this excerpt from the old lore made me fall in love with her:

Vayne reflexively adjusted the crossbow on her arm. "When do we begin?" she asked.

The summoner who seemed to be in charge of this process turned away from the fire. He was a gracefully aging man, approaching middle-age, with a quiet authority borne of true power. "In moments. First, I want to ask you how you managed to get past our defenses to gain access to the deeper chambers of the Institute."

"The same way I know that you are Senior Summoner Ezekiel Montrose and that the woman with you is Summoner Lessa Carin. The same way I know that you take rose-hip tea every day, the route you walk to your home, and that you sleep on a very uncomfortable bed. I am the Night Hunter. Now get on with it. I have already submitted to your authority."

Let's face it, League is lacking in women who shine with wits and intelligence alone. There are a few, but making one of them less so won't help the cause. If I could only ask for one thing, it would be to make Vayne the brilliant hacker she was again. I know she isn't very popular on these boards but imagine how much cooler retaining that side would make her: vicious, insane, but brilliant and insanely strategic in her pursuit. (a bit like another love of mine, Lisbeth Salander from "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".)

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Of course, the current lore presents her at a rather early point of her life. It could be that future character development turns her into the awesome grand hacker I was hoping she would turn out to be.

In fact I might just be asking for more Vayne stories, character development and screentime.

Riot please?

58 Comments

Sexy Jack Rabbit24 votes

They wanted to make her Edgy to appeal to her fanbase and they did it. She's just an edgy, cold, unforgiving murderer now.

I felt like at least her old lore at more backstory then that.

She has no motivations beyond Fun, which in the end doesn't make her a redeemable character.

Blood Magicks3 votes

Exactly, except that wasn't everything her fanbase liked in her.

Malicious Metal18 votes

To be fair, 90% of her playerbase consists of BIG PLAYS 1v5 TUMBLEDORES. No wonder Riot would cater to them.

Melledoneus17 votes

Omfg Albus Tumbledore

Skins Project4 votes

To be fair 90% of THE playerbase doesn't care about lore at this point....

:(

I miss the summoners.

Sexy Jack Rabbit6 votes

It was however what the most marketable and appealing direction for her new lore. Let's be real, the whole thing reeks of fetishist sex appeal. Her character is shallow, but hey at least she's 'Cool'.

Blood Magicks2 votes

Thing is, it's not mutually exclusive with her being a brilliant spy/detective as well.

EDIT and I totally agree about the fetishist sex appeal but I approve of it. Especially as a shipper.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

We can see that. Vlad/Vayne is it?

Blood Magicks1 votes

nobody knows

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

I do.

Detective powers.

Blood + Magicks = Vlad + Vayne.

Blood Magicks2 votes

A while ago I wrote a fanfic about what I canon think their first encounter would be like. No romance or anything but damn the Vayne I wrote is exactly like the Vayne in this lore. I'm kind of proud.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11907674/1/A-Night-time-Visit

midnight oil242 votes

Oh my god I think I read that before.

Blood Magicks2 votes

Hope you enjoyed :3

Sexy Jack Rabbit8 votes

It's not mutually exclusive with her being a brilliant ANYTHING. She's just a sick sadistic fuck now who loves gore and murdering things.

There's nothing in this lore that pertains to her being intelligent, witty or even resourceful.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Her short story does. She is intelligent in how she deduced the widow's deception and predicted her stealth attack and called her out on it.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

It wasn't far from a hard deduction to be fair.

On top of that also she would have probably killed the woman regardless for being affiliated with the changeling.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I doubt that.

She only kills mages, not people affected by them.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Not seeing the sex appeal in shooting her mother figure and being a try hard. She's like a female Guts after the Griffith incident.

SoyUnPrededor1 votes

I feel like the comparison is a bit of an insult to Guts and Berserk as a whole, but I can't say I don't see what you mean.

SoyUnPrededor1 votes

Guts never really becomes evil, he fights those who attack him, and generally tries to avoid confrontation but will proceed to destroy those in his way. Vayne on the other hand is basically a monster that looks human killing other "monsters."

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

There was a part in the story where he actively hunted monsters. Guts had a lot of development in the series. Vayne is comparable to one part of it.

macromite6 votes

I like new vayne, now she is a character that can be killed off lorewise without any major repurcussions to any story. its wonderful.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

That's hilarious

Malicious Metal15 votes

Let me stomach her killing Frey first.

Just... give me a moment.

Blood Magicks4 votes

She can be as evil as she wants, just please don't model her after the stupidest of her playerbase because memes.

DragonShea10 votes

Vayne is evil now. She is not a dark protector from monsters in the dark, but someone that tortures them like some of them will do to humans. I think the whole point of her character bio and lore is to explain that she is a monster in human skin.

Frey was humans that become a monster in body, but certainly on in mind and did her best to help Vayne, all for bolt in her gut. What. The fuck.

CasterGilgamesh8 votes

i truly cant stomach vayne anymore the fact she killed Frey is unforgivable in almost every way.I no longer care for her as a character sadly. Props to riot though still pretty decent until that part.This truly, in my opinion, ruins vayne as a character.

SolarisCorvus13 votes

Just because it makes her unlikeable doesnt ruin her. If anything it makes her even better because it shows that she is single minded in killing anything she perceives as evil and it also shows how badly and negatively her parents death affected her to the point that she herself is becoming the evil she is fighting.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

i guess there is some reason behind it but i myself feel that every character should have some characteristic that should at least make them semi-likeable

SolarisCorvus2 votes

Well you ar entitled to what you want of characters but I do enjoy unlikeable characters as well because of what one can do with them. I hope they let vayne be the evil demacian in order to make more intresting stories with her in the future.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

I wouldn't go as far to call her evil just an a**hole.though she is dangerously close to being evil.Also im afraid she might be a bit psychotic.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

I'd rather they not make her evil. She's the darkest shade of grey we have in Demacia. They could easily make another villain.

SolarisCorvus1 votes

Inprobably used the wrong word. What I meant is that on ghe diture they could use vayne as an antagonist to other champions in some stories. She wouldnt have to be like super dominate the world evil.

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

I think it might be easier to say each character has some characteristic that's somewhat relatable.

For example, the kid that nobody likes at school and gets bullied all the time for being rude... but deep down he just wants a friend. You may not like him but you can relate to that aspect of him and perhaps understand that his idea of 'being social' just looks like 'you're a rude asshole' to everyone.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

She's still likable in a way.

Arakadia6 votes

Not every character has to be likeable, nice, and happy.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

i never said nice or happy i just said a likable trait something that gets the reader to cheer them on at some points any writer can make a hateful villain but a villain you sometimes want to win?thats a little harder.

crippler381 votes

aku tho

crippler381 votes

yeah him and joker are my favorite villains just because of how fun they are to watch.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Riot just made it so she was like her mains is all.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Well, she is a %%%% lol.

Golden Tager X2 votes

One thing I really think now, is that Luc is far out of her league in terms of what they do. I feel like she would get boxed and lanterned immediately if she ran into Thresh. She can only operate against things she can outsmart, but in terms of sheer power she falls short. So I don't get why they tried to make her a B.A.B. (BadAss Bitch) instead of a calm and collected intelligent type of individual.

Skins Project1 votes

Well Lucian has done this for years... But yes they do have similar character stories don't they? The difference is with the NEW lore especially... Lucian would likely have spared, because at one point especially he was the nice one. Vayne don't give no shits.

Darrosh Jewfist2 votes

I agree with all your points.

I wish her stories focused on the cunning and intelligence she used to get where she is. I'm not sure it's even implied: in her short story she straight up Vaynes out.

It's definitely true. This Vayne is more of a shadow of what people think Vayne is. Ironically, in the attempt to avoid being like Batman, the writers made the same mistake a lot of less-respected writers of Batman made. They focused on Batman's brawn and lifelong martial arts training to brute force all conflict instead of relying on his wit, guile, and cunning. This Vayne suffered the same treatment.

I wish she had more vision: I wish she wasn't living her life to risk it for the next kill but instead carefully planned the eradication of the dark arts

This Vayne definitely lacks vision. She's more of a puritan Warhammer 40k Inquisitor who has no qualms, ifs, or buts about what she does. But the lore does currently show she works on a case by case basis. There's no long term plan. Just kill them as they come.

I wish this made her politically involved, and there was a highly-upvoted earlier thread about her unfinished business with the Black Rose from the old lore: Regarding the upcoming Vayne lore and some things left unfinished from the Journal of Justice

Until more information is found on the horned demon lady, she doesn't have any political connections to the Dark Rose. Hell, I don't even know if the current Vayne cares about it. She kind of does things for the moment.

Finally, and I believe this goes for many Vayne fans, this excerpt from the old lore made me fall in love with her: (quote)

What's interesting about this line is that this showed that Vayne was ultra-competent in ways outside of direct combat. She was a master of collecting information. She had an obsession with knowledge. This made her in-game lines like 'Joke? What's that?' funnier because we get that she's a vengeance-obsessed and perhaps socially awkward person. If the current Vayne made that joke, it would just make her seem even more sociopathic than she already is.

SettDownShutUp1 votes

And by depth we mean NOT BATMAN.

Valaran Nara9 votes

{quoted}

And by depth we mean NOT BATMAN.

This is pretty much what happened.

https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0515348d8f194115379f75fe8a81f7df9948-wm.jpg?v=3

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

I definitely wouldn't consider her Batman since she seems to thoroughly enjoy killing. I don't mind that she's badass like that, but I do miss the Black Rose portion of her story.

Ehkrickor1 votes

Less Batman more Punisher?

Lùmen1 votes

She is one-dimensional, unlike the girl with the dragon tattoo. Her revenge was justified, Vayne went too far when she pumped Frey with a bolt and claimed she was doing it for the fun. Crazy b**ch!

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