"Leona and Diana are shown in particular parts of their lives. We're not done telling their story and we want to give them room to grow and change." Jareden
Well when. Considering how long Diana has been out, and instead of progressing their story line like they did with TF and Graves, we get a fucking reset button and our characters are worst off. WTF
Darrosh Jewfist17 votesOne problem with the Diana-Leona thing is that they weren't really developed well before they got infected with the Targon space parasites. Jaredan mentioned he hates 'wiki' style entries to learn about lore but essentially all of their releases for Targon are just... walls of text + a Taric Comic.
People read the wall of text. People can think it's neat, well-written... but worst thing about it is that it's unmemorable.
So basically we have the Bard problem. These people are infused with so much power that their thinking is beyond mortal souls so how can we possible emphasize or relate to them... hence, how can we care about them?
Also Leona as a inquisitor of righteous, zealous, Nazi-like fury and a Diana without agency is kind of a weak revisioning of their story.
Warlord Dienekes10 votes[{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-04-23T06:19:13.138+0000)
One problem with the Diana-Leona thing is that they weren't really developed well before they got infected with the Targon space parasites. Jaredan mentioned he hates 'wiki' style entries to learn about lore but essentially all of their releases for Targon are just... walls of text + a Taric Comic.
People read the wall of text. People can think it's neat, well-written... but worst thing about it is that it's unmemorable.
So basically we have the Bard problem. These people are infused with so much power that their thinking is beyond mortal souls so how can we possible emphasize or relate to them... hence, how can we care about them?
Also Leona as a inquisitor of righteous, zealous, Nazi-like fury and a Diana without agency is kind of a weak revisioning of their story.
I enjoy this, I kind of want the forums to just stop referring to the Aspects as anything other than Space Parasites. It's petty, I know, but it's such a bleak statement that somehow still captures the essence of what the Targon Lore is all about. Actual characters suddenly becoming possessed and altered like some old black and white horror movie. It just captures most of what I find wrong with the lore in a simple way.
Darrosh Jewfist10 votesSpace Parasites REALLY fit the concept well. That's all these Targon Aspects are... space parasites...
I think they should have spent more time developing Leona, Diana, and Atreus as more relatable down to earth human beings. Treat them like BFFs in college but instead of college they were vicious warriors fighting Targon and preparing themselves for the ascent up Mt. Targon.
Make a few Slice of Life comics showing their shared struggles and etc.
Then, IF RIOT IS SO DESPERATE FOR THIS SPACE PARASITE CONCEPT, you slap it on.
It'll still be poorly received, but I imagine a lot of people can totally dig a kind of 'former-besties now hate each other because the space-parasite-celestial-power-granting-god' has forced us to do battle.
FFXIII did a similar idea with fal'Cie and l'Cie although they didn't handle it well.
Stars Shaper5 votesTo be fair, the only parasite-like is Pantheon. Nor Diana nor Leona nor Taric has changed in their personalities. Diana and Leona got a whole bunch of centuries (if not millenia) of knowledge sunk in their brains in order for them to understand whan they are dealing with and that's where the stories stopped. Taric already knows what to do and now has a larger view on the matter plus the powers to accomplish it.
Thier aspects don't vegetate inside them nor are feeding from them, they don't manipulate thier "host" they empower it the same way Aladdin Genie granted him a prince-like appearance. We have all the rights of being skeptics about "what will happen" or "what has happened to a character I knew and loved" (hell they turned Xerath in Jafar... since there is going to be Shurima part 2 soon I will hold my final judgement on that but it doesn't start good) but straightforwardly attacking on things still on a neutral position is too much.
I'd understand more if we were talking about Pantheon, but even there I would suggest to wait the second part of the matter (hoping we won't have to wait years, which is another reason not to enjoy current Lore management).
Baron of Bread1 votesI am still unconvinced that Pantheon truly altered Atreus very much. Pantheon is doing exactly what a powered up Atreus would, so even if Pantheon has completely eaten Atreus's personality he has replaced it with a near identical one.
Pyrodinium4 votesWhy so many fans suggestions boil down to "but can't you make them more anime-like"?
The Soulforged12 votesI miss the old lore team :/ They were some really chill guys and gals.
Darrosh Jewfist16 votesAt least they were trying to be meta about their lore. They had a vision of League's lore - a mix of celebrity tabloid and political conspiracy with a good dose of humor.
I mean, goddamn - League Of Legends has the initials LOL of all things...
The Soulforged2 votes[{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-04-23T06:44:37.322+0000)
At least they were trying to be meta about their lore. They had a vision of League's lore - a mix of celebrity tabloid and political conspiracy with a good dose of humor.
I mean, goddamn - League Of Legends has the initials LOL of all things...
That's what we get for hiring a grimdark writer I guess; although, they started going that direction before hiring him.
Blitzidious1 votesI personally love "grimdark"/Dark fantasy, but honestly, there still needs to be some comedic stuff going on, some silliness that'll lighten the tone a bit. Game of Thrones is a good example. It's an extremely dark and grim show/book series, but it still has light hearted moments, like the jokes between the watch, or the interaction between Mr. Bean and Lord Lard in the first episode.
League needs some lore that allows its readers to breath, knowing the characters that they like will be okay for some time, at least for a moment, they're not in some high-stress situation.
They did a decent job with that at the end of the last chapter of Burning Tides, with Graves and T.F. There needs to be more situations like that.
Mirage Night2 votes[{quoted}](name=Da Supawaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-25T20:31:54.071+0000)
I personally love "grimdark"/Dark fantasy, but honestly, there still needs to be some comedic stuff going on, some silliness that'll lighten the tone a bit. Game of Thrones is a good example. It's an extremely dark and grim show/book series, but it still has light hearted moments, like the jokes between the watch, or the interaction between Mr. Bean and Lord Lard in the first episode.
League needs some lore that allows its readers to breath, knowing the characters that they like will be okay for some time, at least for a moment, they're not in some high-stress situation.
They did a decent job with that at the end of the last chapter of Burning Tides, with Graves and T.F. There needs to be more situations like that.
I would like to see some progression, something more than just intros, I was hoping these area updates would bring something to the table.
Vistha Kai12 votesPretty much, OP.
Only a handful of stories they did since 2012 (back when the retcon actually happened) is anything more than a reset.
Nobody wants fucking resets. We want progress.
So far the only progress we got was Bilgewater and Shurima (only for Sivir and Azir, the rest got only rewritten).
Pyrodinium3 votesThose stories were written with no follow-up in mind.
Leona's lore, as those of all character of the time had getting her to the League of Legends as its main and only objective.
In the old lore, Leona is a tremendously flat character, a protector, and that's it; years of fans talking and speculating about her has created multiple very rich headcanons, of course, but what was written didn't changed.
Vistha Kai9 votesInstead of a story "with no follow-up in mind" we have a story... with no follow-up in mind.
We won't hear ANYTHING about Leona for the next 3 years at least, which is no different than what we had so far.
Pyrodinium1 votesThey are probably thinking in doing a follow up, but yeah, it may take years before we see it.
Warlord Dienekes11 votesIt's been pretty much set and done at this point. They did what they did to the Targon lores, they're not going to go back on them. It doesn't matter that the fans think they've butchered their stories. We may get an update sometime in the next 2-5 years. That's all set in stone now. Complaining won't actually get us anywhere, no matter how much I feel like complaining. Best you can do to show displeasure is to stop buying Riot stuff and actually stick to it. I guess. I don't really know, I don't think Jaredan actually cares about some folks whining online. If they did they would have brought Trundle back years ago.
EROTIC RAID BOSS5 voteswhy bring back that garbage
they can care and also have confidence in the direction theyre taking characters. stress yourself out less
Warlord Dienekes13 votes[{quoted}](name=Monado II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-23T06:02:11.117+0000)
why bring back that garbage
they can care and also have confidence in the direction theyre taking characters. stress yourself out less
I'm not particularly stressed. More, growing apathetic. Quite frequently threads pop up complaining about the Targon lores, and while the same core group of 4 or so people seem to frequent them, others post and pop in as well. The best we've gotten from Jaredan is a "sorry you don't like it, keep reading our other stuff" which, well, if I dislike what someone's put out so far, why would I keep reading? That's just setting myself up for disappointment.
And it's not like we've ever seen any action by Riot to address lore complaints. Except once, they switched two sentences about Viktor in Jayce's lore. People still complain about Trundle's lore update, Riot is not going to go back on it, just as they won't on the changes made in the Targon lore.
And let's be clear, I don't begrudge Riot not caring about some people whining. They're a business, if 100 people whine but none of them leave, but 5 more people joined the game because of a switch they made, they have made a profitable decision. They don't need to care, and that's fine, they're a business their head goal is to remain a successful one. So yeah, if you are dissatisfied with their work, hurting them as a business is about the only actual option we have. Riot won't change on the way they're writing, I certainly am not going to suddenly start thinking what they've done is good. That leaves our options somewhat limited.
Mirage Night8 votesWell it might actually be a good time do something outside of complaints. The Fire Diana skin is out, so why not boycott it. I for one have been waiting for some new skins for Diana and Leona, but considering they are no longer the champions I know, I for one am not going to put any money into this game until they change something.
Darrosh Jewfist4 votesI write fanfiction but the League fanfic community is so dead.
So here I am... twiddling my thumbs...
Arsenic Sulfur2 votesWelp, good luck with that. So many people are still going to buy the skin, so much so that your boycott is invalidated. A couple hundred is nothing to Riot.
Talos of Altmora4 votesWhat if we don't buy any skins? or anything at all? What if we convince other people to do the same?
Arsenic Sulfur2 votesThe boards community is pathetically small compared to the games population. In order for Riot to even bat an eye, you and your fellow boy-cotters would have to somehow convince 80% of the server to not buy riot points. That'd be impossible, so you aren't going to get Riot to do something.
Xonra4 votes[{quoted}](name=Pixel Invoker,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-23T19:04:58.794+0000)
Welp, good luck with that. So many people are still going to buy the skin, so much so that your boycott is invalidated. A couple hundred is nothing to Riot.
I doubt that, since non-lore people were complaining about it previous to this whole issue, comparing the skin to a certain Zyra skin, and so on.
I'm glad more people aren't like you though. The kinds that don't care about much of anything and just kinda shrug and go "eh it doesn't matter anyways, cause the people for it will just invalidate the ones against it".
Our world would be miserable if more people thought like you.
EROTIC RAID BOSS3 voteswhats he supposed to say to people who don't understand the concept of character arcs
granted the wait times between updates are long, but the new lores are setting up more 3 dimensional characters
Warlord Dienekes9 votes[{quoted}](name=Monado II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-23T07:22:58.973+0000)
whats he supposed to say to people who don't understand the concept of character arcs
granted the wait times between updates are long, but the new lores are setting up more 3 dimensional characters
There's character arcs to develop characters, then there's taking a character who was once a normal (but awesome) soldier of not-Sparta and turning him into a space parasite.
I've argued already that the previous renditions of Leona (and to a lesser extent Diana) were already 3 dimensional characters who could have just had their stories progress. The real differences has been Leona got much meaner and Diana got an excuse for going berserk so she comes off morally clean. Neither are inherently more 3 dimensional, just different.
But yeah, I've been down that road. All I'll say is I can definitely see how these changes can allow Leona, Diana, and Pantheon to be shoved into more stories (Taric, not much more to be honest, he already could have just shown up anywhere). But I don't think that's a good thing. A character being more limited in where he/she can be used is not a flaw, so long as the stories you tell are good. And, from reading what was posted so far, I have severe doubts that they will be.
Pyrodinium3 votesCan you link that post?
I personally have always seen Leona as one-dimensional and would like to see a different opinion.
Warlord Dienekes3 votesSo I accidentally answered your question in response to Monado II. If you want to read it, it's here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/RaPzu11l-leona-and-diana-are-shown-in-particular-parts-of-their-lives-were-not-done-telling-their?comment=0000000000000001000000010000
Also don't know why you were downvoted for politely asking for a differing opinion.
People can be kinda bitches on this site.
EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votesI'd say Leona was a bit plain before, didn't seem like her character had any progress to make.
and I'd also say Pantheon was as boring as can possibly be, like rammus level boring, setting up the story of atreus' struggle as the pantheon entity is a lot more interesting imo. Don't forget that Atreus, who was a pretty well received character, was created for that lore
Warlord Dienekes7 votes[{quoted}](name=Monado II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2016-04-23T20:12:40.479+0000)
I'd say Leona was a bit plain before, didn't seem like her character had any progress to make.
and I'd also say Pantheon was as boring as can possibly be, like rammus level boring, setting up the story of atreus' struggle as the pantheon entity is a lot more interesting imo. Don't forget that Atreus, who was a pretty well received character, was created for that lore
Well, I'm not going to go searching through my old posts. But I will just say my thoughts on Leona, and what it means to be a fully fleshed out character. In my eyes. Just so you know, I'm a historian, not a literary critic. So, of course take everything I say on this subject with copious amounts of salt.
We all know what a 1 dimensional character is, it's just a walking prop that doesn't add anything other than existing to the story (see, the Solari that stops the fight in new!Leona lore). A 2 dimensional character is a character that has a bit more substance to their role in the story, but still no real depth. Old!Pantheon (and honestly, New!Pantheon) fits this perfectly well. We know a bit about Pantheon, we know what his motivation is, we know some fluff details like where he's from, and his general goal. But there's no real meat with Old!Pantheon as a character. He is just a warrior. Now, we can look into his dialogue to get some hints that flesh him out a little, but it's not much.
Now 3 dimensional characters are actually interesting. They have the bigger roles, but they also have competing character traits, differing motivations, and are in general complex. Here I would put Old!Leona, but I would add the caveat only if we read her League Judgment. Her base lore is 2 paragraphs. In it, we get these traits: she is a warrior, but she focuses on protection rather than having a lust for the killing work of a normal Rakkor soldier. She was willing to die instead of killing. She was chosen by the Sun and likely has some allegiance to it for that to happen. That's already a bit more than Old!Pantheon, admittedly, it's still not a lot.
But when you read her League Judgment a lot more about her character comes into focus. She didn't just not want to kill, she actively defend those who were bad at training. She felt inner-conflict and even guilt over doing this as her protection may have led to them losing their lives in the (admittedly stupid) Rite of Kor. Even before that, the first emotion we get of Leona's walk into the IoW is reluctance over doing her duty, but overcoming that because she desires to be a role-model on a new way of fighting that doesn't leave the children of the Rakkor dead. She wants to make up for her failures. She also, seems to even fear her power as gifted by the sun, and worries that she's growing dependent upon it.
All of this builds depth to her character. The whys, the hows, the motivations, even her earliest responses. Despite being the great protector she is plagued by self-doubt and guilt, yet still tries to push on, maybe even making a change of how her people do things. Freeing them from their barbaric traditions.
That is, in my opinion, a 3 dimensional character. Now, she just needs a story, and they gave her that when they introduced Diana. Here we see a former friend (if we go by IronStylus's post as canon) that rejects the very reason Leona has power in the first place. Not only that but slays the people that trained her and saved her life all those years ago. There are a lot of ways to develop her from this. How does she deal with her former friend, does she still show compassion where it was due? Does she falter against the Sun's tests? Does she overcome her guilt and grow in confidence or does she look at the loss of the elders as more people she should have saved? Does she ever fix her old home of Rakkor? How does she handle learning her religion was a lie? There was plenty there to play with, and many places for her to go.
Now, look at new Leona. Her base lore is much longer than her previous 2 paragraphs. And to be fair, I do think the character they create is 3 dimensional, it's just in kind of a weird way. But just reading it we get that she is a protector at heart. She is still willing to defy the custom she was raised with to save an innocent. But instead of suffering from self-doubt, fear of growing dependent on the sun, and a lot of guilt. The second half of her lore focuses on her interaction with Diana and she just comes off as very aggressive, hateful, and as the Solari's executioner. It doesn't really seem like the Leona from the first half, or the Old!Leona. But it definitely is a competing character trait. Then, suddenly, this character is possessed by the space parasite and her desire to kill Diana is gone. Which, just reads poorly to me. We go through this whole angry executioner section only for it to disappear by an outside alien force changing her opinions with magic. She is still supposedly Leona, but why would the Leona that was willing to kill Diana for simply talking no longer want to kill the one that slaughtered her mentors and leaders? She just changed too fast without the audience seeing any of the steps to get her from point A to point B. As I said, it just reads poorly, to me.
Now about Pantheon. Yes, Old!Panth was a 2 dimensional character. No argument. Part of why I was excited to hear they were doing a Targon lore update was because I wanted to see him get developed. He really had these traits: A Spartan soldier. A childhood friend to Leona. Motivated by "honor" that seemed far closer to the ancient Greek Arete than the more medieval version of the word. Cool. You can do a lot with that, actually. Now, I'm a historian (well working on my phd anyway), and admittedly my focus is medieval history. But I know a lot about Sparta, actually my name is a reference to a semi-famous Spartan. And let me tell you, the Spartans were an amazingly complex and unique culture. Yes, they were all trained at age 8 to be soldiers. But this means they were taken from their homes forced to live through boot camp for 12-13 years and that effects a person. It was, possibly, the first thing remotely similar to a public school in ancient Greece. But not only that this super long boot camp taught them poetry, philosophy, reading, writing, singing, dancing, mathematics. They saw themselves as the defenders of all Greece, despite enslaving some of them. They lived in constant worry about their helot slave-serfs rebelling. They constantly argued among themselves on whether to attack or stay defensive. There was brutal turmoil, betrayal, and fear. Near the end they saw as their culture and way of life was dwindling and the number of Spartans slowly died out. There was a tension between the search for immortality through glory and the defense of the homeland and the defense of all the Hellenes. They were ultimately all still people. If you want to read this done fairly well, there's a book Gates of Fire where about 4 characters each can get recognized as "That awesome Sparta Guy" but each of their personalities are completely different and make sense as having been shaped by their culture.
I would have loved to see a fully developed Spartan soldier as a character. How amazing would that have been? There would be so much to play with to create inner tensions and problems. Does said Rakkorian think of himself as the defender of Valoran but also has slaves? Does he see Targon's dwindling way of life and choose to double down on it, or does he try to push for reforms? How does he handle the wars he revels in? Numerous Spartans seem to have had various cases of PTSD, and still found a way to fight for their city, does Pantheon? How would he react to those who do? Oh, so many possibilities to make an interesting character.
And they almost gave him to us. Atreus is not everything I would have hoped for. But he's decently close. Then came the space parasite. And the Pantheon that's left is just as flat a character as Old!Panth was. Actually somehow, he's even flatter since they took away the odd little friendship with Leona that could have been a hint to something deeper in his character. Now, there are promises that Atreus' story isn't done. So hopefully, we'll see something come from it. But, what could have been a great normal hero focused on his city-state and the inner workings of human life, the state of the world, and all the stuff I find interesting in fiction. He's instead tied to an intergalactic civil war, space gods, and just real weird things that, when read from the Pantheon lore, seem to come right the hell out of nowhere. If all the stuff about space magic was cut, and we instead saw Atreus dealing with the growing invaders on a personal, human level, dealing with human problems, that could have been amazing. Hell, it even has a next step for him built right into it. Diana vs Leona is still happening in the background. The Spartans were deeply religious, and seeing their whole religion being turned upside down leaves so many opportunities for stories about that one normal guy living in this strange time of titans, invasions, and religious upheaval. That's the story I would have loved to read. And they were so close. That's what I think gets me. They were so damn close before they dropped the ball.
And what we got is the space parasites intergalactic empire. It really has nothing to do with the rest of Runeterra. We have no reason to actually care about the space empire since we never see the denizens interact with things as characters. In fact, as a culture they come across as a bunch of assholes who betray their friends, pretend to be gods, and use mortals to fight their battles for them. Why should we care about anything involving them? Why should we not want to see Sol blow their entire damn empire apart?
An Undead brat4 votesA big THANK YOU for saying it in words. I had this weird feeling the whole time since Mt. Targon event, but I was not able to analyze the core of the problem. TL;DR - The space thing killed all the characters of this event.
Xonra5 votes[{quoted}](name=Monado II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RaPzu11l,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-23T07:22:58.973+0000)
whats he supposed to say to people who don't understand the concept of character arcs
granted the wait times between updates are long, but the new lores are setting up more 3 dimensional characters
lol "character arcs". Those don't exist in this game.
We are still left hanging from the whole Frejlord stuff (that is cannon AFTER the retcon, so it is still in play so to speak). That was years ago.
What about Syndra, or the whole "Did Riven actually Kill Yasuo's master blah blah" stuff?
There are no actual continuation acs of any kind in this game anymore. Just "New product, here is some fluff to look like we are doing tons of lore stuff". The Targon stuff was 90% pointless and 10% trying to introduce Aurelion Sol and reintroduce Taric.
Captain Aishi9 votesan old excerpt from trundle's update
" RiotRunaan explains Trundle's Lore Change Posted on Monday, April 8, 2013
In Conclusion
We’ve taken a lot of steps to make Trundle the greatest frost troll he can be while still preserving the key elements of who he once was. This opens up a lot of opportunities for stories and serves a greater goal of building out our world into a more cohesive, unified whole. We’ve only just begun to talk about the coming war in the Freljord, and now Trundle can play an important part in that conflict. We hope the evolving story of the Freljord and Trundle’s new role there really give you something to dig into for League of Legends lore.
Thanks everyone, and keep on trollin’."
to me the lore change itself is not as problematic as the sense of deja-vu i have here 'it's just the start of these character's story'... well the last time they said that was 3 years ago and they still haven't followed up on that one so there's no reason to believe them this time around
Catrian7 votesI still remember the whole Trundle incident,mainly because I was interested in trundle before his change into an ice troll.The plague troll concept he started with was much cooler to me and didn't have to be scrapped for the much more shallow character we have now :\ .I think a lot of people agreed with that sentiment as well,given the sheer amount of downvotes the post introducing it had gotten blasted with.Was close to 400 if I remember right,definitely over 300 though.They could have just done the kit changes,left his appearance unchanged and it would have been fine considering they have done nothing with the new concept.
I have similar bitterness over Karma, Sejuani and Sona.but that's more tied to with how Riot's flopped reworks seem to vastly outnumber the ones that the community considers successful.
Captain Aishi13 votesWe've pushed trundle into the freljord because that allows us to have many more storytelling opportunities for him in the future -Riot 2013
no update on trundle since, which makes me interpret the comment as 'we insist on giving characters potential, otherwise we couldn't waste that potential!'
Mirage Night2 votesI'd die 1000x over just wating for some sort of update
SithesisLord11 votesRemember when Leona was just a sun praiser and Diana just a moon praiser angry at the Solari for having branded her a heretic and ordering her execution?
[Insert 'Pepperidge Farm Remembers' meme here]
Honestly, their new lore is absolute garbage. Like a few other comments here say, it just makes the two of them space parasites and turns their story of being friends turned enemies due to different religions/beliefs into a case of Kayle and Morgana, but worse developed.
Gunpoint5 votesI don't get it. Instead of just taking the grand Targon Event and saying okay guys we are going to work on their long lores and present it with the rest of the event, they said "Ok guys come up with ideas for the Targon Event on how we are going to say that we are working on the Leona and Diana's lores (Part of the Targon Event)"
GreenLore5 votesI see it more like: "ok guys we don't do a targon event,but we update the lores anyway,so here you go"
People have complained about lore updates only coming with VUs or events and now when they do exactly that,the people complain about the lack of an actual targon event...
Star Guardían1 votesSometimes you can't win.
Beyond Legends4 votesEye roll. This again? I think the only parasites are the people complaining here on the forums. I urge people to not bother with them, because at the end of the day they are just crying because the new lore don't fit their personal preference. These people have long since have their head stuck in a dead tree for so long they can't hear anything other than their own.
Now I'm off my soap box, go play some urf and enjoying my new lore.
Pyrodinium6 votesCome on, Beyond Legends.
We are all lore fans here. We may have varying opinions on all of this, and are attached to different things.
Let's not dismiss very personal emotions like those displayed here as 'just crying'.
Beyond Legends1 votesBut the thing is, this is “just crying”. I've been playing this game and reading about the lore long enough to tell whats what.
This isn't anything new and I'm simply tired of seeing this clog on the boards everytime new lore comes out. And it's not like people haven't tried to explain to them why it was done. At this point being civil is as pointless as a blob of jelly.
Opinions are fine, but there is a difference between throwing a emotional tandrum and voicing an opinion. A rant is a rant, no matter how many words you put into it or how well written it is. I mean look at this so call“disscussion”, the echo is almost fascinating to watch.
So please either take your salt and leave or don't. I don't have any control over you,but a word of advice the lore not going to change so rather being salty overb it go do/play something else. I won't miss you and majority of league won't either.
Pyrodinium3 votesI am actually in favor of most of the changes Narrative has made.
Star Guardían1 votesI'm also in favour of most of the lore changes, but regardless of your stance, you have to admit this has become a bit of a circle-jerk between a vocal minority. At the beginning there was at least a bit of actual discussion but now it's just a bunch of self pity and endless reaffirmations about how garbage the lore is.
However one real argument that is being brought up and that I agree with, is that Riot needs to hurry up with their delivery time.
Xonra4 votesI'm sure sometime in 2018, when they do another complete Lore Retcon because they realized how much they have messed this one up, they will talk about Diana and Leona again.
Mirage Night2 votesSad truth is that this is such a high possibility
WolfBV1 votesWait their loves were redone? Gonna have to read them.