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GG on lore, Riot isn't going to connect the next few champions with anyone.

GenoXx··7 votes·1,145 views

Just by reading the Rioter comments from this Thread I see now that Riot has no plans to connect the next following champs with the rest.

So basically, the next couple of champs will not have anytime type of interactions with other champs. It's just going to be a story centered around the primary champ because they feel like if they did have any type of interaction outside the gameplay, it would distract the audience from the person's story. So I guess Azir distracted Riot from making some long bios for the retconned Shurima Champions, because they focused so much on him during the Shurima event. I suppose this is what happened to the Shadow Isles champions as well. Kalista just took the spotlight from them. Some how Riot became aware of this and decided, "Let's not add anymore champions in one's lore again." "Oh, but let's keep giving them champ interactions in the game play." It is really meaningless when u give a champ certain interactions in VO's when you don't even plan to have a follow up on it. Ekko: "You used to be cool Vi" "I had a crush, 'til you started talking to the guns." How does Ekko even know Jinx and Vi? It's reveal they are way older than him. I asked this question at the AMA, Couldn't get a response, of course. Reason why I don't go to the AMA's anyway. What's the point of giving Ekko those lines, when you state that doing so in his lore is unnecessary?

Like seriously, I'm tired of the constant "hint's" you give to champs you don't even have plans to follow on. Why does Yasuo suspect Riven? Why would he? In his lore, he never even saw riven. So what's the point of even thinking Riven was the killer? Like seriously Stop! Interactions between Lucian and Thresh makes perfect sense. After all, /thresh was in Lucian's Lore. He had a reason to speak to thresh in game(Even If it was just his ult.)

MY favorite character Aatrox has a interaction with Tryndramere. Why? His lore and Trynda's makes sense to be. Aatrox a warrior told to change the tides of fights using blade. That's what happened in Tryn's lore. So to say that it's not necessary to add others in one's lore is pretty ignorant to me. Stuff like that why I play this game. Now I'm seeing it going no where, based on Bard and Ekko. Just going to be Ao Shin and Ao Shin only. After liking this game for a year now, I can say enough has really disappointed me now

Edit: Can you guys read my post please b4 commenting. Tesla Effect claims this is just another spam post, but It's actually a point I'm making. I did not see any other post regarding this matter.

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Ironclad Dragon6 votes

Does everyone have to know everyone else in this world?

GenoXx3 votes

No. But If Ekko knows jinx, why not explain that side? ...rather than just hinting...

Ironclad Dragon4 votes

And does everyone have to have their life story summed up in a single piece?

GenoXx2 votes

No i not saying that. don't twist my words. Is it too much to ask "how does he know jinx?"

Ironclad Dragon2 votes

I am trying not to twist your words.

GreenLore3 votes

Well you can also ask "how did he invent the zero drive?" "who is that kid on the memorial?" "why does he hate piltovians?" "what is his connection to VI?" "Why does he dislike Viktor?" etc.

Answering all these questions in one piece is hard and would feel crammed,they answered 2 of them in one lore piece,the rest can be answered later.

I would actually say that it is a bad idea to focus on the connection to other champs first(unless that is a really necessary part of the backstory for a champ),because it kinda makes the character feel like a satellite character to the other champion.

For example Jayce is pretty much defined as being "the guy who fought with Viktor over a crystal",but Viktor isn't defined by his rivalry with Jayce,he is defined by who he is,which is why Viktor is a much more fleshed out character.

Of course there are cases where the connection is so big,that leaving it out would be kinda impossible,like Jinx being out to annoy Vi is pretty much necessary for her lore,because thats what Jinx primarly does.

GenoXx1 votes

Yeah I know. But It's not like I want it to be a major focus, It's cool to have it there on the side. With out it the character gets kinda boring.

Serevas4 votes

Or they could just be releasing champions with lore filled with blanks so they can fill it in later when they figure out what direction they actually want to go with the story of the game.

GenoXx3 votes

When is the point of realization gong to hit them? Next Season?

Tesla Effect2 votes

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When is the point of realization gong to hit them? Next Season?

Hope you realize it sooner.

GenoXx2 votes

How about it Tesla, you give me reason's why I shouldn't Feel disappointed. Or are u just another banwaggan?

Tesla Effect2 votes

{quoted}

How about it Tesla, you give me reason's why I shouldn't Feel disappointed. Or are u just another banwaggan?

Bandwagon* ....that being said, now Im adopting a popular point of view for the primary purpose of recognition and/or acceptance by others...okay, I think thats what you are doing. Im not doing this to get any recognition or acceptance by anyone, I could care less on these lore threads about your "acceptance", but I am pretty bored of your constant complaints for the sake of complaining (cause thats what it is right now), they literally lost meaning.

GenoXx2 votes

I don't complain for the Sake of complaining. Am i Impetual? And I don't want you're acceptance. You don't like what I post on a thread don't put a word here. Problem solved. Thank you

Tesla Effect2 votes

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I don't complain for the Sake of complaining. Am i Impetual? And I don't want you're acceptance. You don't like what I post on a thread don't put a word here. Problem solved. Thank you

No it isnt cause you will continue to spam ever so often, Impetual is just an extreme version of this matter to the point of his actions becoming caricatures (like Sneak Dog crying over Trundle, Maegges spamming Taric stuff all around (also someone who spams Wukong x Ahri)).

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GenoXx2 votes

It's not even like that. This Tesla dude is just a smart ass who think he knows everything. I'm am just binging up a point, that im showing concern for and Tesla is calling it spam.

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GenoXx1 votes

ok, does that mean he has to literally go to every thread and be negative? I wouldn't have said anything if he didn't start it in the first place. His actions is hwy alot of people don't like him now. And it's not like I'm complaining about the retcon. Seriously My thread has nothing to do with any other complaint. You guys aren't even getting the point of wat i was saying.

Did you even read it or did u go straight to the comments?....

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GenoXx3 votes

No, no even them. I mean the people who are replied by Tesla in a negative manner. Because I've seen it accross the Story and Art board. And It's not like I followed him. I just happen to look at thread out of curiosity and notice it.

Like I said it's no need to be rude, even if he doesnt like the thread. Why does he even go to them and comment If he thinks he knows whats going on?. Uncalled for. I don't see the WIP. Obviously If it was done it would be. Like those bios from last yr. That not my point of this thread Stick to the topic please ffs

Serevas3 votes

As I'm not part of Riot Games I've no idea when, but writing a storyline for 124 champions, plus their environment, history, the history of the cities, and frankly how everything came to be, kind of takes a while.

I don't know how versed in creative writing you are, but trying to tie a single character's story to another character's story in a non lazy ran-into-each-other-in-a-bar style way, is pretty difficult. I can only imagine how difficult it is to properly tie a fresh character into a city of already established characters and try to backtrack and tie them into everything that has happened during their theorized existence inside the ongoing events. Zaun for example has 9 characters involved in it directly (10 if you count the creation of Blitzcrank), plus an additional 9 characters interacting with the city in one way or another, add to that the characters affiliated with the city, and their other affiliations with other characters, and you get a very murky, confusing, and complex web of ties that you have to further alter every single time a new champion is released that could have had cause to act with even just a single champion.

You can't just throw a bunch of crap together and call it good because some people are impatient, as the people looking for good quality writing will be highly disappointed. You either have a very small collective of people writing in a focused direction in which all the stuff I mentioned likely takes years to fully develop, as you don't want their styles to conflict in the founding lore of the game, or you have very bland empty writing that leaves the reader unsatisfied, but it came out because it had to come out to try and appease the masses who are acting like a bunch of rabid dogs fighting for scraps.

GenoXx2 votes

I'm not asking for all the champs. However I'm showing my concerned about how the direction they're are taking the lore. In which they are about to stop the Connecting world that LoL already. Now It seems like they're not even going to make a world anymore. Just separate individuals

Tesla Effect2 votes

{quoted}

I'm not asking for all the champs. However I'm showing my concerned about how the direction they're are taking the lore. In which they are about to stop the Connecting world that LoL already. Now It seems like they're not even going to make a world anymore. Just separate individuals

Where did you get the information where they specifically said they wont expand upon the world. Does "Work in Progress" mean anything to you guys or do you all jump to conclusions when a work isnt even finished?

GenoXx2 votes

Seeing how the supposed conclusion was mentioned like last year, I dont think WIP counts anymore. Because writing stories takes at least a year and you're trying to justify that. gtfo

Serevas1 votes

Nothing in the current lore is considered canonical any longer right down to the Institute of War and Summoners themselves.

You can't apply things you're releasing to something that you basically removed from relevance, that's just a waste of time.

GenoXx1 votes

First off. I'm glad the IoW and Summoners are gone. I've been said that. The matter of the fact now is consistency and connecting champions. I wouldn't like it if Riot just start releasing solo characters who has no type of connection with any of the known champs in their lore. Not just gameplay, and by gameplay I mean "Just giving the interactions because they're from the same Factions" That's very petty

Clouded Magi3 votes

{quoted}

As I'm not part of Riot Games I've no idea when, but writing a storyline for 124 champions, plus their environment, history, the history of the cities, and frankly how everything came to be, kind of takes a while.

I don't know how versed in creative writing you are, but trying to tie a single character's story to another character's story in a non lazy ran-into-each-other-in-a-bar style way, is pretty difficult. I can only imagine how difficult it is to properly tie a fresh character into a city of already established characters and try to backtrack and tie them into everything that has happened during their theorized existence inside the ongoing events. Zaun for example has 9 characters involved in it directly (10 if you count the creation of Blitzcrank), plus an additional 9 characters interacting with the city in one way or another, add to that the characters affiliated with the city, and their other affiliations with other characters, and you get a very murky, confusing, and complex web of ties that you have to further alter every single time a new champion is released that could have had cause to act with even just a single champion.

You can't just throw a bunch of crap together and call it good because some people are impatient, as the people looking for good quality writing will be highly disappointed. You either have a very small collective of people writing in a focused direction in which all the stuff I mentioned likely takes years to fully develop, as you don't want their styles to conflict in the founding lore of the game, or you have very bland empty writing that leaves the reader unsatisfied, but it came out because it had to come out to try and appease the masses who are acting like a bunch of rabid dogs fighting for scraps.

or, they could have left the old freaking lore in game until they were 100% done with whatever crappy lore transition they want to make. Honestly, there was absolutely nothing wrong with having the institute of war, and the retcon of the the shurima characters was absolutely absurd. Nasus and Renekton went from having possible the best backstory together to having utter crap. Any new player wouldn't have any idea why this giant croc and dog are brothers, how they came to runterra, or why they hate each other, and that's really sad to me. Nasus story was one of the first lore I read that really grabbed my attention and made me want to find out the other champions stories. This half assed retcon is going nowhere at all, and I wouldn't be surprised to see absolutely no progress made by the end of next season. I for one am waiting for the next big mmo to come out and ill probably not have anything tying me to this game besides the skins I've bought.

Sneak Dog2 votes

This would've meant that we'd still have no lore right now and for another year.

Tesla Effect3 votes

Like seriously Stop!

GenoXx3 votes

I don't see how you think my whole perspective is going to change because of a champ release comic. They did this with other champs like Riven and haven't touched her since.

You stop it Tesla. You really do think you know it all.

SexyTaylorSwift3 votes

You know you can play the game without this lore thingy, right?

Gapybo2 votes

I don't mind champions that don't have any major connections with others yet at the time of release but I also hope they grab the opportunity to bring some familiar names from the lore to the rift when they see one. Like what they did with Lissandra

FirexSaber2 votes

{quoted}

There are a huge amount of ways that we can have Ekko grow beyond his current isolation. His own desires and needs, or those of other Champions or non-game characters, will be the motivating factors for his story going forward. It's why we changed the world the way we did, we didn't want the IoW to be the answer.

I don't want to spoil anything or pitch anything we don't end up doing, but consider where Ekko is, who else might be around, and what they might want that comes into conflict with Ekko (or even support of him) and you can probably think of half a dozen reasons at least. We want to explore those possibilities.

It seems like they won't do it in intro stories, but that they want to do it in subsequent stories... Well, assuming those subsequent stories happen, which according to Jaredan they are. (Although no time line was given.) It kind of sucks to have to sit and wait, but it seems the intent is there at least. Two narrative Rioters started posting on the boards yesterday- so maybe this is the beginning of a new era of communication or something. A sign at least that things could get better. (Since for awhile people were wondering is narrative actually existed.)

GenoXx2 votes

No it's not the begining. It's always like this when a champ comes out. They stick around for like a day or two. Then never heard from until the next champ. Jaredan haven't spoke since like 2 months ago.

Axests1 votes

Actually Yasuo suspects Riven because she uses wind techniques, the same ones that could have killed his master. Though Ao Shin (who was delayed because riot felt they couldn't do him justice at the time) is thought to be the true villian that murdered yasuo's master. Ekko was connected to jinx and vi, we know he lives in Zaun, we know Jinx/Vi are from Zaun. We know Ekko hates piltover, and his dislike for vi's role now shows that. His interaction with Jinx also shows that she wasn't always crazy, and something traumatizing probably caused her craziness. The new lore team likes to leave breathing room for the fans to speculate and provide more base lore for champions and interactions. Just thought they didn't deserve all the hate they get when the old lore team didn't do much with lore anyway other than a long bio with 2 pieces of relevant info.

GenoXx2 votes

And the fact it. It's all Through gameplay interaction but nothign was never done with it. If Narrative has to work based solely on what Fans theorize on, I feel sorry for them.

Axests3 votes

Narrative has plans, and they have been reaching out to particular members of the community for private feedback. Complaining about the new team is fine and dandy, but at least they have plans, unlike the old lore team, and are trying to create interconnected characters and large world events. I'm sure we'll see great things in the future, and we just have to wait for the team to get going.

GenoXx2 votes

...sigh I honestly don't think anyone understood what I was talking about now..

Axests3 votes

oh i understand, you're frustrated about narratives lack of story, and dislike their policies. It's also annoying how the narrative uses the create your own assumptions method, i get it. However like i said, it's better than what it used to be and there's reasons.

SeductiveGrandpa1 votes

I find alot that the best thing about this type of lore is that I as a player can speculate these things and guess them for myself so I have my own little theories on what might happen or how she might know he and why he might despise he and why they might want to kill them.

But what you're saying is kind of confusing for me to comprehend here, i mean plenty of champs have random interactions, but why are you pointing out that Ekko has some? I mean it seems kinda suspicious Yas's elder gets killed by someone using wind or some shit and Riven constantly does moves that incorporate it, I would be as suspicious as Yas in that place. Characters shouldnt have to only have their knowledge of others described in lore as usually its easy to guess why they know each other in the first place. Thats like asking why does Rumble like Tristana but its not covered in his lore? Because, it doesnt need to be written on a page to be seen, Mech = Tristy, SGR = Makes cute little points to his crush. Why does Gnar know/ are friends with Lulu? Simple, he likes play-mates that will play games with him. It doesnt need to be covered in lore to be exceedingly obvious. I mean, I bet right now you could easily formulate in your head how Ekko knows Vi/Jinx/Cait, Cait & Vi are famous pilties, Ekko hates piltover so he must know about its civilians. I assume there are so many holes in the lore are so players can formulate their own ideas and theories about why this is that and that is this, like me formulating Taric X Ezreal (ship this 24/7.)

GenoXx1 votes

I didn't say it should only be like that. But it's cool to have too.....I am only predicting what the future for champs' lore will be like...... Feel like kassadin preaching about the void but no one is listening

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