The coming Zaun V Piltover Event: Are the Pilties doomed to failure?

The Anagram King··30 votes·16,197 views

#Piltover A city of progress and ecologically-friendly technology. A city low in crime and high in living standards. Quite possibly the single most enviable place to live in all of Valoran... Assuming you've got what it takes to get in. It's kind've like a world-class college, in that respect. For the past few decades, the city has been held in high esteem by the other nations; a forward-thinking, environmentally-conscious settlement comprised of morally upright citizens devoted to the gradual betterment of all of mankind. Also Heimerdinger and Ziggs make bombs.

At least, on paper, this seems to be the case. But as it stands, it has been years since Piltover has managed to churn out anything revolutionary. New Zeppelin models, slightly more efficient power sources, weapon upgrades - all, admittedly, admirable in their own right, right? Right! And yet...

...across the river, lies a city. A twin city, split from Piltover due to a difference of opinion. And the things they do... the things that they've... acheived there...

Blitzcrank Artificial Intelligence - the artificial creation of new, fully aware, synthetic lifeforms capable of learning and growing.

Urgot Techromancy - bringing the very dead themselves back to life.

Zac
Synthetic Life - the capacity to create self-aware biological lifeforms. Apparently packed with every variety of human emotion. Love, fear, hatred - and a desire to protect those dearest to them; cultivated in a test tube.

Viktor Transhumanism - The absolute culmination of human achievement. Mastery over life, over death. Your form and frame, completely subject to your whims. Where you can live, what sensations you can feel, the intricacies of your very own mind - all within your own grasp; editable, modifiable. The beginning of ascension to a new, unexplored, plane of hence before unfathomed heights of existence.

And it's all found within the city borders of Zaun.

Where Piltover toils aimlessly on trinkets and luxuries, Zaun unravels the very fabric of reality and stares upon the framework of the universe. Clambering out from under the boots of the privileged, the citizens can't even see the sky through all the smog. Monsters like Warwick roam the streets, collecting specimens for insane experiments; striking terror into denizens and foreigners, alike; and yet, from these anything but humble beginnings, the city unlocks the secrets of life and death; of **unbridled potential **in a future limited only by the imagination of its citizens.

Friends die in poverty, and vengeance festers. Mere children, like Ekko, obtain the means and methodology to bend time, itself.

And all the while, Piltover stagnates. A fossil of the past, unable to deal or profit like Zaun does. Unable to shirk its responsibilities to its own citizens, as Zaun does. Rules, regulations, infrastructure - Piltover makes money, but so very little of the money makes it back to the city.

Even now, as Piltover frets over the wellbeing of its citizens, Zaun closes in on the possibility of biological immortality. A city not concerned with death, coming close to overcoming that very flaw with each passing day. How would Piltover feel, to stare across the coast that separates the two cities from one another? How would it feel, to witness the budding reality of a new world; envisioned at the hands of those you despise; those who forsook all that you stood for and chased dreams that you dismissed with as simple a gesture as a passive waving of your hand?

#How would it feel? Your ambitions, your ideals, your reputation as the utmost leader in science and ecology, outmanoeuvred in a swift moment of scientific growth at the hands of your competitors. And now Piltover is left standing with its hands in its pockets.

The first hit is to your city's funding potential.

As affordable immortality becomes the latest craze, ecological concerns take a swift and noticeable back seat. Grant money thins, divisions shut down and masters in their field find themselves struggling to secure work. There is still money, but nothing like before. Piltover falls back on its last major field of study still happily backed by its funders; Weapon development. And then, slowly, but surely...

#The dream dies.

Piltover, the city of ecological advancement. Of scientific progress. A place of innovation and invention. Of empathy, of morality - a place to secure a better tomorrow.

And also Heimerdinger and Ziggs make bombs.

I guess some outcomes are just inevitable.

54 Comments

RiotBioluminescence26 votes

Zaun scares me. Now, don't get me wrong - I love Zaun - I think it's a fascinating place with some of the juiciest, most potential-filled characters in the game - but it scares the pants off me.

Everyone likes to think that if they were in Zaun, or somewhere like it, they'd be the one making the inventions and overcoming death (or whatever the challenge they've taken on is) but for the most part, scrubs like me would be the one slowing dying to poisoned air and water, or selling my plasma to afford the medicine for the magical malady that I picked up from working in an unregulated hextech factory. (Medicine smuggled in from Piltover, and sold at 10 times the price.) I might have a tiny single-end apartment somewhere with a workshop table, trying to convince myself that my next big invention will be the eureka moment - but it probably won't be.

Piltover, on the other hand - yeah, it seems almost staid in comparison. But I imagine that even if I were one of the middling normals, I might be able to visit a free-to-the-public concert or museum once a month, and probably work as a filigree apprentice for hextech devices; expecting to spend 5+ years of my life on a single device that will go to a wealthy patron. I may die in my old age still an apprentice, if my master/mistress chooses another to be their successor. It would probably depend on whether or not I won favor with the merchant family in ascendance at any particular moment.

(Not a narrative team Rioter - and I don't work directly on League. My opinions are my own, and my headcanon too. ;)

Hello I am Bird3 votes

Valoran itself seems like a pretty sh*tty place to live, no matter where you are.

sp4418 votes

Honestly, I don't like this idea that Zaun is some sort of hyper-industrialistic hellhole and Piltover is Steampunk Heaven, if that were true, most people would move over to Piltover and nobody but madmen like Mundo or Singed would live there. The fact that somebody like Ekko, a young low-class kid, can have a high opinion of the city means that there are things worth standing for there, as well as terrible things in Piltover.

I envisioned Zaun as a place of free enterprise and thought, if you got a great idea and the guts, you can make it there just fine, and sometimes without necessarily having to create something to hurt people, it's just also an unfortunate enviroment where monsters like Dr. Mundo and Singed can thrive. Piltover, on the other hand, I see as being overall better socially speaking, with better healthcare and overall education, but having a serious classisism problem as well as a lack of freedom, where if you're in the lower rung of society, you can never hope to get out nor get decent treatment from higher classes (I mean, a Nobleman from there felt perfectly justified in murdering a street urchin for a petty crime), and your creations face very harsh criticism and possibly censorship if they do not conform to the social norm. Like, if I created a revolutionary weedkiller in Zaun, I could put that in a store and I'd make a packet, whereas if I tried to do the same thing in Piltover, it might get buried under products advertised by the elite, heavily criticized by the public for being a danger to the environment, or the government outright outlawing it because of said danger.

Basically, Zaun is Rapture, while Piltover is Columbia. Except without the face tumors. Or the jarring display of racism followed by power tool massacre.

Kingsgrave2 votes

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Honestly, I don't like this idea that Zaun is some sort of hyper-industrialistic hellhole and Piltover is Steampunk Heaven, if that were true, most people would move over to Piltover and nobody but madmen like Mundo or Singed would live there. The fact that somebody like Ekko, a young low-class kid, can have a high opinion of the city means that there are things worth standing for there, as well as terrible things in Piltover.

I envisioned Zaun as a place of free enterprise and thought, if you got a great idea and the guts, you can make it there just fine, and sometimes without necessarily having to create something to hurt people, it's just also an unfortunate enviroment where monsters like Dr. Mundo and Singed can thrive. Piltover, on the other hand, I see as being overall better socially speaking, with better healthcare and overall education, but having a serious classisism problem as well as a lack of freedom, where if you're in the lower rung of society, you can never hope to get out nor get decent treatment from higher classes (I mean, a Nobleman from there felt perfectly justified in murdering a street urchin for a petty crime), and your creations face very harsh criticism and possibly censorship if they do not conform to the social norm. Like, if I created a revolutionary weedkiller in Zaun, I could put that in a store and I'd make a packet, whereas if I tried to do the same thing in Piltover, it might get buried under products advertised by the elite, heavily criticized by the public for being a danger to the environment, or the government outright outlawing it because of said danger.

Basically, Zaun is Rapture, while Piltover is Columbia. Except without the face tumors. Or the jarring display of racism followed by power tool massacre.

Doesn't Janna live in Zaun?

Sharjo8 votes

She was born there but has since defected. If she lives anywhere now it's either in the sky or in Piltover now.

LordGeovanni3 votes

last i remembered she lived in the insitute of war and fights on the side of those who do the least harm to nature so commonly ionia

AbsoluteSadman7 votes

You mean the magic dissapearing building nobody remembers?

LordGeovanni1 votes

i thought only the summoners controlling champions became non cannon not the institute of war too then were do they hold their matches and who regulates them now

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

Im pretty sure the entire institute was retconned as well, but i could be wrong.

Legacy of Xion4 votes

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Im pretty sure the entire institute was retconned as well, but i could be wrong.

The Summoners,Institute of War, and the League of Legends are retconned. But everything happened. Lore is the same, just take the IoW out of it.

So enjoy a lore that now has more holes then a Swiss cheese factory.

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

Wait so its all the same?

So nocturne was...

So what about fiddle?

And...

This is why you prepare backup lore before a retcon

I dont understand why it wasnt an event like "VEIGAR BLEW UP THE IOW AND KILLED ALL THE SUMMONERS" then, you could keep the old lore. On top of getting rid of these apperant limiting factors.

Legacy of Xion1 votes

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Wait so its all the same?

So nocturne was...

So what about fiddle?

And...

This is why you prepare backup lore before a retcon

I dont understand why it wasnt an event like "VEIGAR BLEW UP THE IOW AND KILLED ALL THE SUMMONERS" then, you could keep the old lore. On top of getting rid of these apperant limiting factors.

Literally, remove all mentions of the IoW, Aummoners, etc from a lore. That's their lore. Kalamanda happened. Ionia war, etc.

But yeah. Apparently destroying the IoW was still too limiting.

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

At least itd make sense

Legacy of Xion4 votes

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At least itd make sense

We're talking about people who broke years of lore because they felt the central idea was too limitiing, and then decided to divorce game and lore and make League of Legends Super Smash Bros Runeterra: MOBA Edition.

I don't fucking trust them to make sense.

LordGeovanni1 votes

where are these fights offically happening and who is running every thing now. though it may not makes sense it does make more sense than haveing crowned princes Ancient Emperor's fighting in 'War Games'

Legacy of Xion1 votes

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where are these fights offically happening and who is running every thing now. though it may not makes sense it does make more sense than haveing crowned princes Ancient Emperor's fighting in 'War Games'

Can you run that by me again? I'm confused to your posts intent.

LordGeovanni1 votes

i want to know what is now bringing these individuals together who are now fighting whether independently or for different city states and who people like yasou and riven nocturne fiddle sticks and reksai fight for

AbsoluteSadman1 votes

I just dont see the logic in ruining ALL your past lore when you could achieve the same goal (removing percieved limits) In a way that wouldnt decimate them.

Legacy of Xion1 votes

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I just dont see the logic in ruining ALL your past lore when you could achieve the same goal (removing percieved limits) In a way that wouldnt decimate them.

It's illogical

RiotBioluminescence11 votes

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Honestly, I don't like this idea that Zaun is some sort of hyper-industrialistic hellhole and Piltover is Steampunk Heaven, if that were true, most people would move over to Piltover and nobody but madmen like Mundo or Singed would live there. The fact that somebody like Ekko, a young low-class kid, can have a high opinion of the city means that there are things worth standing for there, as well as terrible things in Piltover.

Basically, Zaun is Rapture, while Piltover is Columbia. Except without the face tumors. Or the jarring display of racism followed by power tool massacre.

I thought that was what I implied? That the stratification in Piltover means that a scrub could live without immediate fear for their life - but probably with very little hope for upward mobility without powerful and monied backing. Whereas in Zaun - you invent the right thing and you could make a mint! But most people won't. It's like saying "I'll go become an indie game dev and make the next Minecraft!" A few people will enjoy breakout success, but most people will struggle in obscurity.

As for Ekko having such pride in his city; I totally understand that. How many people do you know who will hate on their own city or town because it's a hellhole, right up to the point when an outsider says something. Zaun to him is his friends, his family, his neighborhood - maybe it's not the prettiest place in Runeterra, maybe it's not even the wealthiest, but his friends have his back and he has theirs. The loyalty they share is real, and to his mind, it likely brings out the best of people.

I'm sure he'd rather live in Zaun, where he might help old Mrs. Kingerneep with her groceries, or where Elphie down the street trades him for second-hand hextech parts and slips some candy in with the bag. Not in Piltover where your neighbors will sooner sniff at you than watch out for you, where there are likely dozens of classes of citizen, and saying the wrong thing means your children's children won't get to go to the slightly nicer school.

Fantomex XIII3 votes

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I thought that was what I implied? That the stratification in Piltover means that a scrub could live without immediate fear for their life - but probably with very little hope for upward mobility without powerful and monied backing. Whereas in Zaun - you invent the right thing and you could make a mint! But most people won't. It's like saying "I'll go become an indie game dev and make the next Minecraft!" A few people will enjoy breakout success, but most people will struggle in obscurity.

As for Ekko having such pride in his city; I totally understand that. How many people do you know who will hate on their own city or town because it's a hellhole, right up to the point when an outsider says something. Zaun to him is his friends, his family, his neighborhood - maybe it's not the prettiest place in Runeterra, maybe it's not even the wealthiest, but his friends have his back and he has theirs. The loyalty they share is real, and to his mind, it likely brings out the best of people.

I'm sure he'd rather live in Zaun, where he might help old Mrs. Kingerneep with her groceries, or where Elphie down the street trades him for second-hand hextech parts and slips some candy in with the bag. Not in Piltover where your neighbors will sooner sniff at you than watch out for you, where there are likely dozens of classes of citizen, and saying the wrong thing means your children's children won't get to go to the slightly nicer school.

The way this all seems to me. Is two sides of the same coin. They're the same place, but they're different because of the people who live there, and the attitude of said people. Zaun vs Piltover is (in my mind at least) a fun way to answer the question "What happens when an unstoppable force, meets an immovable object?".

Zaun is the "Unstoppable Force". They've made all these amazing technological advances because they don't have the same... "code" as Piltover, and don't care. They don't want to be anything like Piltover.

Whereas Piltover is the "Immovable Object". They've got technology sure, they've made some great advances. But they won't budge from their moral code, what they see as right and wrong. To them it's black and white. They're set in their ways, and look down upon those in Zaun because they're different, and don't follow the same rules.

sp4411 votes

Well, I never had stellar reading comprehension.

Still, at least you're not going to be presented by a shockingly racist display before splitting somebody's face in half with a power tool.

Seriously Bioshock, WTF?

RiotBioluminescence4 votes

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Well, I never had stellar reading comprehension.

Still, at least you're not going to be presented by a shockingly racist display before splitting somebody's face in half with a power tool.

Seriously Bioshock, WTF?

It's a... surprisingly small world, in some ways.

Ironclad Dragon5 votes

{quoted} Everyone likes to think that if they were in Zaun, or somewhere like it, they'd be the one making the inventions and overcoming death (or whatever the challenge they've taken on is) but for the most part, scrubs like me would be the one slowing dying to poisoned air and water, or selling my plasma to afford the medicine for the magical malady that I picked up from working in an unregulated hextech factory. (Medicine smuggled in from Piltover, and sold at 10 times the price.) I might have a tiny single-end apartment somewhere with a workshop table, trying to convince myself that my next big invention will be the eureka moment - but it probably won't be.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT. Way too many people seem to think they could make a living in Valoran. But, for the most part, it's the Middle Ages, where your average quality of life was crap compared to in modern day. And the Middle Ages didn't have snarling eldritch abominations, ordinary-looking men who make an entire town combust by snapping their fingers, or maddened cyborgs, or anything that Runeterra has. Life seems all honky-dory, but the truth is, our most expansive visions into Valoran are through the eyes of legends and gods.

ElJanitorFrank3 votes

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

And by that I mean just hit up Viktor and kit yourself with some lasers.

He does that, ya'know

The Anagram King5 votes

And Zaun should scare people, I think. The entire city is a self-perpetuating environment. The innovative designs that the city churns out would no doubt be influenced by the dangers of the city, itself. Viktor's acolytes, for example, are almost certainly going to be made up of weak, poor, or otherwise overlooked citizens who could never really manage to attain the Zaunite ideal.

Ekko doesn't like Viktor. Is it possible that he sees people like himself as prime targets of the Herald's potentially insane goals? I'd argue, yes. And even if Vik's intent is genuinely benevolent, Zaun's tendency to leave citizens to die is going to lead them to seek out Viktor's aid. What does this mean?

The more Zaun-like Zaun gets, the more inevitable and arguably frightening its future becomes. You don't have a say in the way the world develops unless you can develop an alternative. And that is a terrifying prospect.

A Superb Villain15 votes

The most merciful thing in the world... is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.

  • H. P. Lovecraft

The dichotomy between Piltover and Zaun is a classic examination of restraint and zeal; Piltover does produce exceptional inventions, but does so at a languid pace in comparison to the marvels regularly manufactured by Zaun. The acclaimed inventors and brilliant minds of Piltover are just as capable of producing incredible creations as their Zaunite counterparts, what prevents them from doing so is no doubt the city itself. Authoritative figures are likely quite aware of Zaun's incredible advancement, their leaps and bounds in fields of medicine, magic, and technology. Likewise, they are also knowledgable of the consequences these changes have wrought.

Urgot was returned to life, openly defying what many consider to be the natural law; all things must die, and that is the final word. Whether or not this defiles some divinely ordained decree, the cost of doing so is openly called into question. Urgot's life is one of complete misery; body filled with whirring constructs and bulbous tubes, flesh barely held together, an image that barely resembles his former humanity. Is the result worth its cost?

Blitzcrank and ZAC represent previously unexplored fields of artificial life, living things born outside natural means. Not only does this require the world to consider what qualifies as a living, independent being, but the implications of creating objects with wills of their own. Does the creator have some form of jurisdiction over their creation? What is their place in society? Do the rights which apply to those who were made through wholly natural means apply to those who were not? The answers are not clear. More importantly, these questions do not take into account what kind of artificial life was made. A vaguely humanoid robot meant to clean toxic waste, and a good-natured amorphous blob have greater ease adjusting to the world, and the world to them, but what about an automated defense system, whose fingers are wall-mounted rifles and eyes are security cameras, that grows tired of the purpose it was explicitly built for, and perhaps opts for a different means of achieving distinction in the world, like chess?

Now far be it for me to play devil's advocate, which I am doing, as I laud scientific progress and am a staunch advocate for the Glorious Evolution, but the consequences of Zaun's unbridled advancement raise significant concerns. Piltover may seem the stuffy conservative in comparison, but its caution is not without merit. The focus of invention within the City of Progress is for the sake of the people and the world, not experimentation for its own sake. I have no doubt Piltover is far from a utopia, someone must man the factories after all, and wherever there is wealth there is poverty suffering in its shadow, but the quality of life is significantly better than a life lived across the bay in Zaun. Perhaps you sleep in the gutter beside a nobleman's mansion, but at least you can sleep without errant fumes suffocating you in the middle of the night, or an escaped experiment gnawing off your face.

Failure, if it is coming, will do so slowly within Piltover. For Zaun, an eruption is not merely likely, but expected; it is a shooting star, brilliant and beautiful for all its danger, but it swiftly burns out.

Or leaves a sizable crater.

Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

  • Dr. Ian Malcom
The Anagram King7 votes

Pretty, detailed, and well-written to boot. I always like your posts. :P

In my opinion, Zaun is rising at exponential rates. It is unlocking and taming secrets that citizens - Piltovian or otherwise - would consider impossible, even if assured that those secrets were availble for commercial use, today.

It is destroying its environment, but in the same breath is creating the means to overcome the effects of any catastrophic results. The more they innovate, the more toxic their city becomes; and the more toxic their city comes, the more they need to innovate.

There is, however, already one of many solutions in of the augmented. The Herald would no doubt appreciate the opportunity to win over citizens' hearts with assisted fittings through which they may shrug of the environmental hazards they create.

Burning out, I think, is not an issue. Zaun has defeated the slow burn. But a catastrophic disaster - say an explosion - could level the city's above-ground districts in the blink of an eye.

And so I agree with you.

Zaun's a huge risk; and there's a reason Piltover remains distant. But Piltover will be dwarfed if Zaun should prosper; and unless they're content to be a distant number 2, changes will need to be made.

Or maybe a new Piltovian champion will come out in 2 weeks who can turn everybody into energy that transcends time. Who knows? Lore can be funny like that.

A Superb Villain6 votes

Thank you for the compliment.

And I agree with your assessment of Zaun's potential to vastly outshine Piltover. The real question is if it can maintain its momentum without falling apart. Zaun is rapidly reaching a climax, and at such an accelerated rate it is guaranteed to be an explosive one. The city of unrestrained science is a pendulum swinging back and forth, at one moment digging itself a grave, at another, compensating the danger it has caused; the real arms race is not between it and Piltover, but with Zaun itself.

If Zaun fails to overcome its danger, then the progress it so eagerly pursues will overwhelm it; the advances are borne on the backs of mortals after all. Piltover could win by default. However, if Zaun maintains control of its hazards, and permanently overcomes them, then, in all honesty, it is not just Piltover that has been left behind, but the whole of Runeterra.

And yes, lore is a little funny, though we still love it. To some degree.

Ebonmaw Dragon8 votes

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Monsters like Warwick roam the streets, collecting specimens for insane experiments;** striking terror into denizens and foreigners, alike**

Hey! That is MY job... I'm THE Terror of Zaun!


By the way, you are forgetting that Piltover also has Artificial Intelligence, Orianna , the robot of Lyte, and those robots from the Jinx Video (even if its a dream)

They also create weapons like the gun from the Piltie in the comic of Ekko, item 3145 and item 3146

And Heimerdinger is not only a yordle that creates bombs... he is THE smartest person in runeterra, inventor of the star rods (Lightbulbs), the googles of MasterYi, defense systems for the city, and a improved version of the "extra hand" of Viktor, ETC.

((And i did not mentioned that Piltover is actually ally with Zilean Janna(Even if Janna was born in Zaun) and Ezreal who are strong users of Magic, Janna and Zilean even help the inventors -thezepelinrace- ))

The Anagram King10 votes

Piltover boasts some of the very finest minds in Valoran, scrutinised and/or hand-chosen by the government to live within its borders. It supports its citizens with higher education and no doubt houses and nurtures the intellect of people (including Heimerdinger) that are quite possibly unmatched.

But this is more than a battle of wits. It is a battle of ideals.

Zaun has acheived three dreams: Immortality. artificial/synthetic sentience and the ability to determine one's own evolutionary future. They accomplished this not simply due to their intellectual capacity - no. It was due to their environment.

Zaun shuns and nurtures very different values than Piltover does. And this is reflected in the variety of champions and supposed inventions to come from each city.

Could Heimerdinger have created an augmentation system capable of converting humans into transhuman constructs, as Viktor did? Maybe. Maybe any man in Piltover could have. But they didn't. Such thoughts were unfathomable.

And yet, in a city of intrigue and deception; a young man achieved what an enlightened icon could not - pushed to the brink by the Zaunite ideal, and the effects he felt.

The Zaunite ideal might not be empathetic - or even correct - but the results have reshaped the very foundation of Valoran. Nothing elsewhere conceived remotely touches on what Urgot, Blitzcrank, Viktor and Zac are; nor the ideals they were born from.

Focus Teemo2 votes

"Nothing elsewhere conceived remotely touches on what Urgot, Blitzcrank, Viktor and Zac are; nor the ideals they were born from."

You know Swain and the Black rose authority of Noxus brought Sion back to life and turned him into an undying monster right? This happened long before Urgot was pieced back together in Zuan, and they did a much better job. Not to mention the shadow isles is already a thing. Just saying magic is a good match for science...

You also have to mention Pre-retcon Xerath who nearly became the league equivalent of Pre-retcon Beyonder(funny they both got retcond into a weaker and less interesting state). Even if he failed... Sorcerer supreme is almost as good right?

Then that leads me to the ascended and Shurima... creating life and becoming a robot is much less impressive when you notice what Shurima managed to accomplish. I mean they basically found a way to use magic to ascend and become demi-gods such as Azir Nasus Renekton and sadly Xerath(liked his old lore alot more). Gods > Robots.

Anyway my point is alot of the other nations have their own achievements, some of which rival if not exceed Zaun and Piltover through their use of magic, and Shurima especially could have changed everything if it had not fallen.

Reilock1 votes

I think they revived Sion twice. First time was Leblanc with Darkwill, second was after Swain's ascendence into Grand General of Noxus. They also didn't specify when did they revived both of them.

Focus Teemo3 votes

I believe they only revived him the one time becoming the Sion you see now, however they sealed him away the first time in old Noxus(probably was becoming to hard to control). The second time Swain released him with help from Leblanc. Or at least that's what i remember.

The Soulforged5 votes

Unlike Blitzcrank, we actually don't know if Orianna is sentient. It is slightly implied, but not simply told. Even if she was sentient, she simply doesn't have the feel of something "living". She doesn't really interact with the world the same way blitzcrank has, with his creation of his dating service and such. Orianna hasn't done anything to make her feel "alive".

Chilroy7 votes

You have to understand Piltover's scientific endeavor is create a perfect world. Zaun's scientists often attempt to create the perfect human/being.

Ziggs hexplosives? Perfect for demolition, even rocket propulsion. Heimerdinger created a viktor-like arm, Yi's goggles and Corki's ROFLcopter. Jayce's hammer is a multi-faceted tool. Most likely Piltover inventions are repurposed for civilian use after they've been tested.

Zaun and Piltover are looking to improve the world in two different ways, Piltover wants make the world adapt to us - Zaun wants to adapt us to fit the world.

The Anagram King5 votes

Blitzcrank is a waste disposal golem that was programmed so well that it achieved sentience. You can throw all the goggles, helicopters and Viktor arms at it that you want - their combined value wouldn't measure up to a workforce of those things. Ecologically and industrially, their value is nearly unequivocal.

Piltover isn't a special exception to scientific enterprise where some things aren't war machines - it is simply a city with limits. Zaun doesn't have limits. Zaun pushes boundaries, regardless of public opinion.

In Zaun, street thugs are running around with time machines. In Piltover, the top celebrity is a man using a hammer.

Chilroy1 votes

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Blitzcrank is a waste disposal golem that was programmed so well that it achieved sentience. You can throw all the goggles, helicopters and Viktor arms at it that you want - their combined value wouldn't measure up to a workforce of those things. Ecologically and industrially, their value is nearly unequivocal.

Piltover isn't a special exception to scientific enterprise where some things aren't war machines - it is simply a city with limits. Zaun doesn't have limits. Zaun pushes boundaries, regardless of public opinion.

In Zaun, street thugs are running around with time machines. In Piltover, the top celebrity is a man using a hammer.

Thug (singular). Ekko is a genius, who lives in Zaun. Zaun is basically destroying the environment, making near uninhabitable due to all these advancements that only have 1 working instants. Only 1 ZAC, twitch, viktor, mundo, warwick, etc. - usually taking years to replicate their results at all. Piltover has already mass-produced helicopters, rigged hex-tech gauntlets, and fire-arms. Compared to Zaun, their miles ahead of achieving mass-production goals w/ experiments and hextech.

The Anagram King3 votes

I don't see any reason to assume Zaun doesn't mass-produce and market off what it creates. It even markets Urgots, as seen from the Ekko tease trailer.

If anything, one could argue that Zaun makes much more money than Piltover does. It has a much more open trade agreement with Noxus, than Piltover does with Damacia; and would not discriminate working with anybody else who sought them out. There's also a good chance that very little is spread through the city ala socialistic policy. It all goes into the pockets of the city's "best" and brightest.

What does that mean? Corporate enterprise and mass production.

Taken from the wikia:

...the streets of Zaun are a constant hive of activity. Shopkeepers with a variety of eccentric items can be found at every corner of the city, with the dark and seedy alleys overflowing with ambitious individuals willing to give their all for a profit. It's also said that corporate rivalry is the very spirit of competition that defines Zaun as a city-state.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zaun

SpaghettiTime6 votes

Fools, all of you. Both, nay, all these petty factions are doomed. The Void shall consume!

The Anagram King9 votes

Oh yer? We'll see about that!

Sick em, Kassadin!

Kassadin : "...."

Shield Villain7 votes

He can't, they nerfed the distance of his rift walk. There's no way he can get to him now.

Transgressor4 votes

-Viktor.

-Transhumanism.

If Riot wants it we could have our own personal Deus Ex within LoL.

But I guess skins for ezreal and annie are of higher priority.

Ironclad Dragon2 votes

I remember it best when a fellow poster described the disparity of Zaun and Piltover.

Piltover is more about the gradual refinement of known technologies, and the strategic deployment of those technologies to accomplish great works. Zaun is more interested in revolution than revision, and tends to flit from one half-baked breakthrough to the next.

. . . here's what I consider crucial to Zaun's identity . . .

Tech: revolution over revision. Zaun is the capital of reckless experimentation and revolutionary breakthroughs. Zaunite scientists aren't necessarily smarter than Pilts, but they're more aggressive in their pursuit of The Next Big Thing, and less concerned about the consequences . . . Zaun doesn't really do half-measures, and Zaunites do not like being boxed in.

Solidair31 votes

Hm, it's hard to say. Zaun is brutal and cunning, but piltover is bright, and I'm not sure we know everything they can do.

I think it's also important to consider each city-state's allies.

LordGeovanni1 votes

I wouldnt credit Urgot to Zaun cause its common practice on great war heros in Noxas. just happened that they ran into a problem in the ritual and the Zaunite scientist fixed it (i cant remember who it was).

Zzest1 votes

DrMundo could win by himself.

Enderized1 votes

I love both, Pilt and Zhaun <3

I wish but i cannot choose between both :(

Cruel world :'( Can't see 'em fight gainst each neither in way of Sience or war!

Mori Please1 votes

Maybe thats just not piltover's style zaun is more dark dont forget that

kody watts1 votes

I enjoy how the first moment that "created, unnaturally forged life" is mentioned, the first being that comes to mind...is Blitzcrank.

Not the person Zaun is known for creating the most. Y'know. The thing Zaun literally created as a city. Only ONE post that even brought him up.

Twitch.

I mean he's literally an entirely different life. Blitzcrank was created with the prospect of sentience, yes, but Piltover could've done the same. Maybe even some of the other cities.

But could they make Twitch? No. NO ONE can copy this. Not even Heimerdinger knows how he could have possibly been created. And he even wants to make more of himself. That's a possible evolution beyond what anyone's ever imagined possible, and a revolution on Runeterra.

Don't worry though, Blitzcrank is an awesome talking robot with feelings, and he even abandoned Zaun because he thinks it's boring! Time to go walk around analyzing and insulting humans. We should totally praise him.

Man Twitch's lore sucks THAT badly now, doesn't it.

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