Viktor's Lore: Why doing Bad things for Good Reasons doesn't make you Morally Ambiguous

The Anagram King·12/10/2016, 6:36:30 AM·28 votes·4,593 views

In the aftermath of the Jayce lore reveal, Viktor lore enthusiasts have been in something of a frenzied panic. Cold, 'logical', and of questionable moral intent, Jayce's story paints Viktor as the bad egg that we always dreaded Riot turning him into. Arguments have been made that this is a matter of perception; that Viktor's lore is not out, and that patience is a virtue. But there is little argument to be made that - among the other questionable things that Vik does during the course of this story - Viktor being expelled from a university for opposing free will is simply a matter of Jayce's perspective.

Today, a member of the Riot Team addressed the fanbase's concerns (it's at the top of the Story Board, or you can click this link, here.

So here's some of the statements we got:

  • "Might there be a good reason behind it (even if what he’s doing might be - from outside perspectives - be seen as reprehensible?)."
  • "Viktor plays the long game and knows that greatness cannot be achieved without cost. Does that make him evil? Perhaps to the folk who pay the price initially"
  • "What will history say of Viktor? That’s the legacy Viktor is concerned with, not the fragile, emotional and short-sighted people around him."
  • "[we do not] want to turn away from the dark deeds he’s doing in the name of his Glorious Evolution"

And the closing statement:

> So, no, we absolutely don’t want to paint Viktor as a pantomime villain, twirling his metal mustache, but nor do we want to turn away from the dark deeds he’s doing in the name of his Glorious Evolution. When Viktor’s bio lands, it’ll provide balance to the perception. Will it reveal the truth? Well, it’ll reveal Viktor’s truth, and the reality will likely lie somewhere in the middle. Perhaps shrouded by a fug of the Gray, but, hey, that’s Zaun for you…

Okay.

So I've addressed why I think this is the wrong way to take Viktor inside that thread. It's a pretty huge post, but I invite everybody to read it if they're interested, and let me know whether or not they agree.

The purpose of This thread will be Viktor's moral ambiguity; particularly, why doing dark deeds for the greater good isn't necessarily morally ambiguous. So without wasting ANY more time on exposition, let's get to it.


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**Viktor is an oddly complex character, despite the scraps of lore that we are given; **

Full of incredibly human qualities in his early life, Viktor works in an avenue of research that focuses on the betterment of his environment. He participates in an effort to manage zaunite waste, culminating in the unexpected creation of a sentient lifeform - Blitzcrank. Blitzcrank becomes a media darling, and Viktor is left out in the cold. He attempts to seek out recognition and justice, but finds none. His ideals clash with the reality of the Zaunite way of life. He is devastated; he becomes depressed; and he resolves to not simply recreate the project, but improve upon it - in such a way that no other would ever be able to take credit for his work, again.

VIktor isolates himself in his personal laboratory, becoming distant and reclusive. He begins removing body parts; replacing them with techmaturgically powered machine pieces. At some point during this obsessive destruction of his own body, Viktor realises that he's stumbled upon something quite amazing. A solution to not just his emotional torment; but the ills that wrack Zaunite society. What better way to combat inhospitable Zaunite slums, after all, than to change the lifeform that lives there?

He emerges; unlike anything humanity has ever witnessed, before. He is a technological marvel; the envy of the scientific community! Everybody wants to know just how he does it. Except there's a problem. Viktor sounds completely insane. He was obsessed with the Glorious Evolution - it was the only thing he ever spoke about. He was patron and pioneer; head and shoulders above the rest. It caused concern in those he once considered his peers; particularly when a cult began to worship him as saviour to mankind.

And that's where his story suddenly ended. And y'know? It was a pretty darn good place to leave things ambiguously open. We saw Viktor change from idealist, to pessimist; from spiteful, to obsessive. Then, full circle, he's an idealist again - but of the much more frightening variety. He SOUNDS like he may be mad. But we can't tell, for certain.


#VIKTOR'S AMBIGUITY


"In one's hand, Techmaturgy is a tool. As one's hand, it is liberation."

Viktor's current moral standing is incredibly ambiguous; in no small part to the different stances he takes along the way to becoming the Machine Herald. He looks like a villain. Often, he SOUNDS like a villain. And, yet, his original lore is so utterly devoid of villainous intent, that a case could long be made for the exact opposite. This, alone, however, does not make him ambiguous.

Dreaming of a better society was a staple of his character. Pursuing justice, too, defined his idealism. Falling into depression demonstrated his humanity. Resolving to change himself gave us view of his obsessive personality. Spurning his previous self and turning his attention back to society proved that traces of his former self, still, yet, remained.

But with each shift in ideology or emotion that he displayed, a piece of him would have chipped away. He was very nearly unrecognisable to others as the Viktor who had secluded himself, long ago. His ideals had warped; and there was no way of knowing whether or not such a change was for the better.

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The current Riot response to the fans' grievances implies, to an extent, that they understand what we'd like to see in Viktor's new lore. They believe that Viktor should be able to be empathised with; that his goals should be worrying, but also undoubtedly riddled with potential for a Glorious future. In Jayce's lore, however, we can see the characteristics that make Viktor so compelling, again, chip away - one by one - before he even has a chance to develop his way through them.

No longer do VIktor's ideals change under the weight of his own experience. He begins his life "ambiguous" - different than the rest. His humanity is already in question; at least, that's what the University thinks when he is expelled. His actions are not a way to cope or redeem. Rather, they are made from necessity to be right. No longer does he resolve to augment himself through sheer self-pity and a desire to prove worth; but simply to survive injuries sustained following a crime spree.

This is not ambiguity. This is an obsessive criminal taking very obviously black steps to achieve his grey dream for a more productive society.

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This may all seem like petty semantics; and y'know what? They might be exactly that. But if semantics ever counted for anything, then they count for storytelling.

It's kind of like if there were a bunch of people that liked a piece of red glass and how the sun shined through it. Then someone comes along, and takes the glass shard and gives them a flashlight with a red lightbulb.

The people who just really liked the red light don't mind the change at all.

The people that liked changing the sun light to red are annoyed but technically the red light bulb is doing the same thing. Sort of.

The people that enjoyed the pattern in the red light on the wall lost everything.

(Credit to Mogarl, who came up with the analogy)


#SO WHAT WOULD MAKE VIKTOR AMBIGUOUS?


In one phrase? Cognitive Superiority.

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Viktor was a smart man. Very smart. Jayce, who considered scientists silly for having to try to keep up with him, considered Viktor an equal. And this was before Viktor changed. One of the first things VIktor augmented in his old lore was his cognitive function - his brain. And his research LEAPT ahead by decades, as a result. He began to process at a speed unmatched by his peers. In fact, his mere existence upon resurfacing confounded other scientists. What he was completely defied conventional logic.

Viktor NEEDS to be this person. Somebody whose position IS logical. Not pseudo-logical. Somebody who has thought deeply about the implications of what he believes, and what he intends, and is willing to reshape his ideals under the scrutiny of new information or viewpoints.

He is, after all, a scientist. And both the blessing and curse of science is that it takes TIME for people to accept your views. It takes even longer to convince normal citizens (Climatology and Evolution, anyone? :P). Viktor doesn't NEED to be killing or maiming or stealing (though on the flip side, he additionally does not need to be innocent of amoral actions) - he simply needs to be ahead of his time. Very, very, very, far ahead. And it needs to cause conflict.

Taken from my post in the Riot response thread:

The Machine Herald and the Creator are two distinct personalities - working in tandem one day; and opposition, the next.

The first, a promise of a future that he has envisioned and obsesses over, daily; The Second, a machinist whose designs will saturate the world - for better or worse.

Viktor should be one part deep philosophy, one part questionable motives. He does not NEED to be killing Jayce to justify a rivalry. The mere fact that he outfits his machinations with weaponry could be frightening, enough. In fact, you could even use the 'free will' argument here!

Viktor "Their weapons will primarily be tools for self defense. When threatened by physikal force, they will gain akcess to their arsenal; exklusively for nonlethal purposes." Jayce "You just EXPECT them to not go on a rampage when threatened? What if they're threatened by a thunderstorm?!" Viktor "Of Kourse not. They will be unable to intentionally kill another human or machine. Choices to do so will be overwritten." Jayce "You're... you're messing with their free will?" Viktor "I am restrikting only the use of lethal force. It is a kondition for akcess to these upgrades. Other kognitive processes shall remain intakt. The organic mind makes mistakes. We must strive to limit the scope and reach of these mistakes. The augmented are, after all, not quite so **frail **as your kind."

Viktor needs to be frightening for the POTENTIAL things he will do. He needs to be less "cold" and logical; and more "luke-warm" and logical. He should care. He should think, deeply - his vision, after all, relies on his introspective thoughts; and he can think faster and more deeply than any biological human (super processing!)

HE knows he will not take away free will. HE knows that this is limited to a super-weapons agreement.

... But we don't.

Jayce is afraid that Viktor's stubborn attempts to provide his followers with weaponry will cause another Augmented citizen to go on a massacre; but if Viktor's design truly IS flawless, then what he says is completely feasible. Most notably of all - those equipped with the weapons have agreed to his terms.

Jayce is in the wrong. But he is RIGHT to be afraid of the consequences of this kind of manipulation.

Viktor needs to represent the potential in a society; not the destruction of it. But he must also represent the possibility of that potential being turned to nefarious intent. Particularly by those who attempt to usurp, direct, or manipulate his vision.

How would Viktor react to these kinds of movements? How would he keep an eye out for them? Would he rely on others to solve societal problems, and, if not, how would society react to him stepping on their toes? Piltover's finest would be terrified of somebody with the kind of power Viktor has, moving from district to district and delving out his own interpretation of justice to those he feels have overstepped their bounds, or need a disciplinary slap back into line.

THAT would make for a compelling and morally grey character. Particularly if Viktor's solutions are exceptionally complex to the layman....

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... but simple to him.

32 Comments

Ask the Herald12/10/2016, 7:07:23 AM7 votes

One of the greatest traits of current Viktor isn't what he believes or what he does, it's how he convinces others to believe and do as he does. The fact that he earned a willful and dedicated following in his current iteration just proves how you can be amoral and still be considered redeemable. And yes, he IS amoral - he does not hold to any moral code to shackle him to any actual altruism, he strives simply for the sake of achieving a worthwhile result. Progress. Now, his ETHICAL code is another thing entirely, and current Viktor proves that he is VERY ethical. He never sought revenge on Stanwick (it would be too much of a waste of his time and effort), he never tried to bind Blitzcrank to his will (Blitzcrank is not relevant to his new work in the Glorious Evolution), he only experimented upon himself and those who gave him permission (once again, his acolytes served him of their own volition).

"In one's hand, techmaturgy is a tool. As one's hand, it is liberation!"

Viktor had always been about action. He had been founded on ambition, on credibility, and, most importantly, on being willing to transform yourself for the sake of scientific improvement.

And beyond that, there was nothing that defined Viktor more than what he stood for. He was a character designed to challenge what defined a human being.

Flyinguillotine12/10/2016, 5:08:54 PM3 votes

Honestly I came to this post to say "stfu about your waifu stop whining viktor crybabies," but... this is a very well thought out post with good points. Nice job and I agree with you.

Arcyvilk12/10/2016, 9:48:24 PM3 votes

I couldn't word it better than you. This needs to be seen by the writers.

SkyMagpie12/10/2016, 9:59:22 PM3 votes

The Anagram King more like The Viktor Lore King, this is great. I wish Riot sees this and rethinks their lore. I can't bump it enough!

TyrekGoldenspear12/10/2016, 1:27:58 PM2 votes

Wow. This is long.

I read most of it I promise, and skimmed over the rest.

I don't disagree but there is something I want to point out.

You could only do all of this becuase Viktor's lore was so vague. It telled not showed. Sure you can infer a lot, but becuase of how the old lore was written a lot of this old Viktor we think we see is the result of head canon.

Now I am not saying this is bad. Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the reason you are so frightened about this potential lore is becuase in many ways Viktor is the fanbase's character as much as it is Riot's.

Riot created the shell of the man, and we injected humanity into it. With our own writing we made him believable and complex. Whatever scraps the lore provided we built upon.

Just like Viktor would have wanted.

Now that Riot could be changing him to be somebody that isn't like the person we all thought he was it is completely normal to feel betrayed. Becuase in many ways we are Viktor's writer as well as Riot, and it is never fun when two writers work on their lovechild, but then one writer takes the project completely away and works on it all on their own.

Just a thought.

Beyond Legends12/10/2016, 10:14:38 AM2 votes

Moral ambiguity is not morally grey... there two different thing but I digress.

First thing first Da vinchi was a criminal who cut open dead humans so he could learn about human anatomy.

Darwin wad tried for heresy for his book on evolution.

I'm not going to bother to say much about Viktor past or history as his lore is not out. However there is no indication that Viktor was damage by the explosion enough that he needed to replace an limb. Jayce was in the center of the blast and he didn't lost a limb or damage internal organs, so to say now Viktor replace himself because of explosion damage him is far fetch as to say Viktor is the leader of the Glorious evovled.

Now I'm going to say that Viktor was never meant Moral ambiguous character. He was alway meant to be an grey altruist character from the very beginning but the fans decided to push Viktor as somesort of hero that cause him to become an morally ambiguous character.

What acrtually is an Morally ambiguous character then? A morally ambigious character is someone who contains both extreme good and extreme evil an exple would be the Punisher Spawn and Dirty Harry are example of Morally ambiguous characters. Viktor in his old lore was not an moral ambiguous one but an uncertain one. Viktor in the old lore didn't have any substance, the entire glorious evolution was described is literally two sentences. That's just an vague and blank slate for people to jump on with rather tact on tragic backstory to boot. He was vague.

Now what is Viktor character Archetype? Well from his core he is Revolunair that want to advance humanity with augmentation. Now whether or not those advancement are good are up to debate. Viktor himself in fact had all the pieces to become the villian( jayces first lore)but the fans instead wanted Viktor to be the hero instead. My personal opinions are both are generic and bad but that's my personal taste.

Viktor may have augmented his mind with machine but that doesn't make it smart or a better term Wise. The augmentation to the mind could theoritcally make you do certain things faster such as calculating number, working multipe equation faster but that doesn't make you wiser or morally great. Often time the pragmatic thing to do is very cruel. Just because Viktor is smart doesn't mean he is nice or very wise. Computers is actually dumb, they'll not exactly capable of compex emotional responsise, yet they are able to simple task extremely fast. Viktor augmenting his brain probably didn't make him smarter but dumber. In DnD terms Viktor dump Wis and up his Int

Also being a scientist doesn't mean you can do everything. Most scientist don't actually think that far head, an great leader doesn't mean he understand the complexity of human biology. Being smart doesn't mean you're smart. Intelligence are quite diverse and seperate into different categories. For the sake of simplicity I would use DnD terms Int Wis and Cha. A balance character would have an focus on one or two these stats. If an Character is dected out on all of these stats he becomes an boring mary sue. What you want Viktor to be is an character that somehow has all three stats max. What you describe and want from Viktor is to be some sort of holy like jesus character for robotic. What you're really asking is the mis understood hero not an grey character. You desperately want to be right that Viktor way is the way of humanity and that's boring.

If you want that then stop using the term gray character. Because that's not what you want, you want Viktor to be the hero of the story. Isn't it Ironic that you fans preach grey characters yet your mentality is full of black an white?You just want your robo guy to be another generic anti hero?

Now for an exercise of morally grey think I want you consider this. If an brother and sister really love each other and wants to marry one another. They promise to not to born a child into this world(going as far to make the sister indertile) and adopt children instead. Should their love and marriage be ok?

Now I have completely gross you out, let's continue talk about Viktor eh. First the concept of free will that seems to be hot topic but let's start there. Viktor was accuse of this because of the suit that he made to help dock workers. The suit made the worker inside obey the commands without fault. Viktor rational is that this would allow less accidents to happen as the worker would obey every command catefully. The worker would follow the instruction given so they wouldn't fuck up and accidently kill someone. Now Jayce didn't see this as right and he is justify to see it as. Now why does most people here seem to be so trigger about this free will issue? Well unfortunately most of the audiance here are from the west and due to cultrual upbringing people tend see free will and free speech as almost an divine thing of absolute good. I don't want to get into politics here but that is my view of why people seem to jump on this topic entirely. It's a sensative issue that people simply doesn't see to be able to go over. Is Viktor wrong well from his view his not, people tend to illogical lazy and overly emotional, alot of worker accident is because people were lazy and didn't follow the instruction given to them. This is a root cause of the problem so if he fix that it would stop the problem. The logic is there and is very smart however it isn't very wise. Their are very negative conxequences to this as it would no doubt to it. Now would have Viktor stop other potential problem of they came up? Most certainly if more suits were allow to be upgraded, but Jayce denied that continuation of that advancement because of moral reasons. This is the exact same problem why certain stem cell and cloning research are heavily halted. This action was no doubt damaging and most likey further his cyncism of the world. He is being denied the ability to make the world a better place. This perfectly demonstate why people don't trust Viktor

honestly though I'm going to stop the rant here, my finger really starting to hurt typing this on my phone. I honestly still don't think anything was change about the character and people are piss because their headcanon are ruined or that they just want to make Viktor somesort of heroes.

midnight oil2412/10/2016, 9:54:40 PM2 votes

I can kind of relate more to the Viktor you paint here. Someone who realizes that while there are things that shouldn't be done, there also need to be sacrifices in the name of progress. I'd totally join the glorious evolution.

TakaDama12/10/2016, 1:30:06 PM1 votes

I would actually like to see Viktor become more of an anti-villain: best intentions with an ends justify the means mentality.

And so far, as you describe him, that fits him just right. The only thing that would solidify it would be for him to outright reject the concept of humanity as an excuse to not 'Evolve'. He is playing the long game after all it seems.

Bellows12/10/2016, 6:42:29 AM1 votes

Holy shit

I read the first third of it and thought it was over only to scroll down and see the rest of this monster. The first third was good but I didnt have time to read the rest, sry.