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I swear if this is a new Annie skin then all i have to say is.

LegendmakerGX··3 votes·1,448 views

Hire some one new for the creative team, I am definitely sure Annie and Morgana they both have over 6 skins. For people who don't know what I'm talking about it's about the teaser on Riot facebook showing the next Halloween skin.

Seriously how much more skin has Annie and Morg need to have? If your team can't come up with new skins for other champions who rarely have skins then I really think you need to rethink of hiring new artist or the person who comes up with these ideas. I'm not hating on Riot art team but dear hell ANOTHER ANNIE SKIN? There are champions who only have 2 skins still after 4 years. There seriously must be more then 30 people at least on the art team since you have over 1k worker. Some one on that team that has a good/great idea for a new skin for a different champion....not another generic Annie skin.

I'm just saying if your team can seriously keep on coming up with Annie skin when she has over 6 skins and morg skin then replace them. I don't care if they have some cool animation effect but just recently annie had hextec and morg had Lunar new year skin, why would they need a new skin already while others could get it for example like

YORICK Yorick Sion Fiddlesticks KarthusAmumu Warwick Urgot Trundle <<< These champion are what you suspect for a Halloween season skin

Last year skins were not great too for Halloween Pantheon Jinx except for Nunu. the Panthleon and Jinx skin were just plain and simple if you ask me.Who ever one who worked on NUNU deserve a raise because that skin was beautiful, it had the Halloween feel and look.

Don't say it's because Annie and morgana gets played more, Yorick Amumu Trundle Sion get played a ton let's not forget 3 of them had mini rework too which you would think they could at least get a new skin.

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Sharjo6 votes

I was gonna do a huge post about why your complaining annoys me, but instead I'll just summaries my main counterpoints to the argument that this all boils down to, the "x has too many skins and y needs new skins".

  1. There's no such thing as "too many skins" until the point in time where a given skin cannibalizes the thematic of another skin on the same champion. This hasn't happened yet with any champion. Even Annie, who has 10 skins, the most in League currently, hasn't reached this point yet.

  2. Riot makes whatever skins they want, for many reasons, such as what'll sell well, what they think people will like, and what they actually want to make in the first place. None of these are invalid reasons to make skins, and as such if they decide any of these reasons justifies a new skin for a champion with a bunch of skins, then there's nothing wrong with that. They wanna do it for whatever reason, so that's that.

  3. Everyone's quick to point out champions who get to many skins, but are quick to sweep under the rug champions with low numbers of skins or those who've been waiting a while who actually got new skins in recent memory. Names that come to mind for 2016 include Sion, Poppy, Taric, Tahm Kench, Vel'Koz, Maokai, Lissandra, Kennen, Kha'Zix and LeBlanc, to name a few.

  4. Some champions actually have reasons behind why they don't receive new skins, such as being up for VGUs (Galio and Warwick are up for them in the near future, with Evelynn and Urgot also off the table atm), being very demanding in a particular area of their design to make skins for (Lissandra's super spell effects heavy, Zyra has a high demand on models), or simply not being super open to exceptionally varied concepts (some champions are easier to make skins for from a "thinking them up" standpoint". Try and understand why a champion might not recieve skins as regularly as others before complaining.

  5. This whole argument spawns from jealousy over the champion(s) you like not getting a new skin. It's fine to be disappointed when the new skins aren't for the champs you like, but that isn't a good reason to tear down other champions for getting new skins.

Final note: It's fine to not be a fan of a particular skin, or to be dissappointed when the champs you like don't get skins. It's also fine to call out Riot on not delivering on high quality skins, or just not delivering more skins for a certain champion, as that's a point of criticism and it's open for discussion.

Whining about champions having more skins is effectively like being a whiny brat so stop it.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

{quoted}

I was gonna do a huge post about why your complaining annoys me, but instead I'll just summaries my main counterpoints to the argument that this all boils down to, the "x has too many skins and y needs new skins".

  1. There's no such thing as "too many skins" until the point in time where a given skin cannibalizes the thematic of another skin on the same champion. This hasn't happened yet with any champion. Even Annie, who has 10 skins, the most in League currently, hasn't reached this point yet.

  2. Riot makes whatever skins they want, for many reasons, such as what'll sell well, what they think people will like, and what they actually want to make in the first place. None of these are invalid reasons to make skins, and as such if they decide any of these reasons justifies a new skin for a champion with a bunch of skins, then there's nothing wrong with that. They wanna do it for whatever reason, so that's that.

  3. Everyone's quick to point out champions who get to many skins, but are quick to sweep under the rug champions with low numbers of skins or those who've been waiting a while who actually got new skins in recent memory. Names that come to mind for 2016 include Sion, Poppy, Taric, Tahm Kench, Vel'Koz, Maokai, Lissandra, Kennen, Kha'Zix and LeBlanc, to name a few.

  4. Some champions actually have reasons behind why they don't receive new skins, such as being up for VGUs (Galio and Warwick are up for them in the near future, with Evelynn and Urgot also off the table atm), being very demanding in a particular area of their design to make skins for (Lissandra's super spell effects heavy, Zyra has a high demand on models), or simply not being super open to exceptionally varied concepts (some champions are easier to make skins for from a "thinking them up" standpoint". Try and understand why a champion might not recieve skins as regularly as others before complaining.

  5. This whole argument spawns from jealousy over the champion(s) you like not getting a new skin. It's fine to be disappointed when the new skins aren't for the champs you like, but that isn't a good reason to tear down other champions for getting new skins.

Final note: It's fine to not be a fan of a particular skin, or to be dissappointed when the champs you like don't get skins. It's also fine to call out Riot on not delivering on high quality skins, or just not delivering more skins for a certain champion, as that's a point of criticism and it's open for discussion.

Whining about champions having more skins is effectively like being a whiny brat so stop it.

So whining about how a champion have so much skin while others are neglected non stop? Usually when you have a champion who has over 6 skin and most of them already have animation change is prob the time you should focus on other champion who actually need skin change. That is just stupid how you use the word jealousy when the point is how they are dishing out Annie skin non stop like they have no creative ideas for other champion. No crap it's disappointing how Riot always come up with champions skin for champion that have enough skin while others rarely gets skin in over 4 years.

Tell me when is to much skin for you with skin comes out usually 2/3 skin in each 2/3 weeks for a list with over 100 champion?

Really dumb how you even use jealousy as your point when my point is other champion aren't getting skin that would fit this holiday. If i say Urgot should get a skin and made my whole post about Urgot saying how amazing and better he is about game play then be my guest and use the word jealous but don't use the word jealous when you don't know how to use it because I am talking about a whole list of other champions. Saying how Annie keeps on getting skin that are rarely anything special getting more attention then others who deserve the attention is not jealousy, talking about champions that get neglected is different from talking about jealousy. Tell me how much players do you see with Annie new skin? I rarely see them at all and if I do they are practically old Annie skin that are years ago or hextec because it's free from hextec box, other then that I don't even see one of the new Annie skins being use or bought.

Valor Bot1 votes

Some counterarguments/examples:

{quoted}1) There's no such thing as "too many skins" until the point in time where a given skin cannibalizes the thematic of another skin on the same champion. This hasn't happened yet with any champion. Even Annie, who has 10 skins, the most in League currently, hasn't reached this point yet.

So, suppose that Riot decides to give one Champion five different skins in a single patch someday (however unlikely it may be). Each of the five skins are high quality, popular amongst both the League community and Riot, and do not "cannibalize" each other's thematics. In your view, would this still not be too many skins? It doesn't violate the guidelines you specified above.

  1. Riot makes whatever skins they want, for many reasons, such as what'll sell well, what they think people will like, and what they actually want to make in the first place. None of these are invalid reasons to make skins, and as such if they decide any of these reasons justifies a new skin for a champion with a bunch of skins, then there's nothing wrong with that. They wanna do it for whatever reason, so that's that.

Aye, making certain skins because they'll sell well and/or because a lot of people can get behind them is only good business sense and keeps the game alive. Likewise, making skins that they simply just want to make is fair, although I'm tempted to say it can lead to negligence of other Champions who have just as much potential for cool skins as others.

Sometimes, I think the Riot team is so focused on pumping out skins for a particular group of Champions (or "the ones that they want to make skins for") that they simply fail to dedicate enough creative resources and/or brainpower to the characters that also have potential for cool and exciting skins. In other words, they forget or don't care enough about some Champs which can lead to a drought of awesome skin ideas for them.

  1. Everyone's quick to point out champions who get to many skins, but are quick to sweep under the rug champions with low numbers of skins or those who've been waiting a while who actually got new skins in recent memory. Names that come to mind for 2016 include Sion, Poppy, Taric, Tahm Kench, Vel'Koz, Maokai, Lissandra, Kennen, Kha'Zix and LeBlanc, to name a few.

Suppose that Riot stops producing skins (God forbid). Do you think the state in which skins are at now would be ideal? In my view, it would be best if every Champion had not only the same amount of skins, but also the same assortment of quality (i.e. each one has an 1820 skin, 1350 skin, 975 skin, etc.) before League ends and/or skin production stops. What's your view on the matter?

If skin production were to end right now -- that would leave Annie with the highest number of skins (10), while others like Yorick only have 2. That's really great for Annie players, because they can customize their gaming experience very often, but also really unfortunate (and unfair) for Yorick enthusiasts, who have very little in the ways of giving their matches cosmetic variety.

  1. This whole argument spawns from jealousy over the champion(s) you like not getting a new skin. It's fine to be disappointed when the new skins aren't for the champs you like, but that isn't a good reason to tear down other champions for getting new skins.

Unless I missed the part in the OP's post where he went out and said this is all spawned from jealousy, I think it's uncharitable to assume that's the case. He may actually have very good reasons to support his argument that he just can't put into words properly.

Catastrop3 votes

It's Tristana but I do agree on Morg. Her model is terrible, I really don't see why they keep giving her new skins.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

Are you sure? I'm definitely sure it's Annie since most of her skin eyes are green. Don't think Riot would make Tristana into a human girl since that would be weird like wishing on a star for a doll to become a real boy.

GreenLore3 votes

Just look at her ears they are huge,so the witch in the gif is definetly a yordle champ. And since Poppy and Lulu get a star guardian skin in the next patch, it is highly unlikely that it is either of them,meaning that tristana is pretty much the only possibility.

Catastrop4 votes

I don't see how you can look at the character in that image and say "human girl." Especially with those ears and teeth. Green eyes on Annie's skin hardly mean anything when there are lot's of champions who have alternating eye colour in their skins.

Jeddy0172 votes

One - The ears on the girl is Yordle like & it can't be Lulu or Poppy because of Star Guardian. Two - Why should the eye color matter? The skins team changes eye colors for champs all the time. Three - Who said the short girl in the pic was human? She could just be some sort of Elf. Buddy, it's Tristana.

GreenLore2 votes

Warwick and Urgot are on the list for a VGU and unable to get skins because of that(they are actually working on WWs rework). And Yorick just got his VGU,so he was off the list until recently as well(not to mention that Sion got a legendary skin this year).

Also you complain about Amumu not getting the skin when he has MORE skins than Morgana [zombie-brand-facepalm]

LegendmakerGX1 votes

{quoted}

Warwick and Urgot are on the list for a VGU and unable to get skins because of that(they are actually working on WWs rework). And Yorick just got his VGU,so he was off the list until recently as well(not to mention that Sion got a legendary skin this year).

Also you complain about Amumu not getting the skin when he has MORE skins than Morgana [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Sure WW but urgot is not getting a rework since Riot said it will be galio. Before you say Amumu have more skin can you tell me how old his skins are? and how much of them have spell animation change compare to morg?

Then what about the others? Trundle Karthus.

Jeddy0172 votes

Urgot is still a very high priority target for a VGU & will likely get one within the next year. So even though his VGU isn't in production, he will remain off the table until the VGU happens.

GreenLore1 votes

Dude champs are known to not get skins for years simply because they are on the list for VGUs(thats why Yorick didn't get any,because there was always the chance that he is the next VGU).

And amumus has 2 skins with different skill effects,which is less than Morgana has,but that doesn't change that he has overall more skins than her.

I agree on trundle and karthus lacking in terms of skins,but this years halloween seems to be about witches and demons and both of them wouldn't have fit that(If trundle got a demon skin,then it would be likely an Oni-skin,which wouldn't fit that well in this theme as well). Heck why would you give Karthus a halloween skin anyway?the guy is already spooky.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Urgot is confirmed for a VGU next year soooo...

Karthus and Trundle are stupid unpopular throughout a lot of Elo's, only natural they don't get many skins.

Meep Man1 votes

Karthus is due and they were likely waiting to update Trundle's splashes before starting new skins for him.

Ichiibaru1 votes

It's Tristana, not Annie. Annie already has a Halloween-themed skin. And I would actually argue that Annie needs a new skin for the same reason Lux needed Star Guardian. Yes, she has a lot of skins, but those are very outdated (none of them actually change her SFX in any significant way), and the only modern skin she has is locked behind such a ridiculous paywall that it's not even worth mentioning. I think that Riot should just give her a legendary and then put her to rest for a while (like they did with Ashe and Yi, the latter had the same problem).

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Lowkey dunno if I'm the only one who likes seeing new Annie skins. She pulls off thematics really well, sure it's annoying to see her so many skins, but eh.

I do agree on the Slayer skins. Jinx's in particular was a massive disappointment. Glad I got it on sale.

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