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SolarisCorvus9 votes

why would anyone want to be a chem baron in zaun. you either get killed by a wolf man or a glob monster or a mechanical monstrosity.

Ralanr3 votes

Power is often tempting.

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

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why would anyone want to be a chem baron in zaun. you either get killed by a wolf man or a glob monster or a mechanical monstrosity.

Maybe we need a Chem Baron champion to show how you do it properly without getting murdered? Because most of these guys are just rich aristocrat pussies, someone that could actually fight off the threats of these monsters would be kinda badass and show us what 'High Zuan' life looks like.

Nevrankroaton8 votes

I really love how Urgot is a villain in the end, there is no "Oh, something bad happened to him and now he became like this.".

He was someone with his morals codes and it didn't mean that he was righteous or bad, he followed them and though high of him because he followed an ideal.

It got shattered and he was dead inside, his body following kinda. And now, he just got a twisted new ideal, one where he could kill thousands of children and not feel like a monster or anything because he feel like he is making them realize what true life is. He thinks that anyone who is not surviving is doomed to fall into the state desilusion as he did.

Can you imagine that? He is not like a "mafia" lord or anything. He isn't even a maniac who manipulate people like Elise.

He just has an ideal so twisted he believe it to be the truth and he is ready to unleash everything among the one who 'lies', and he doesn't even care if he die because surviving is living. You die? Well you died, you weren't worthy or good enough. But if you survive in the mayhem, the chaos that is the world, it mean that you are truly strong, that you are truly up to what "worthy" is.

Imagine someone who lost his ideals, his body, his hopes and dreams, anything only to realize it doesn't f*cking matter because surviving is all that life is, taking all the pain and going forward.

Of course it is terrible but it is also such a powerful message. Life hit you hard as hell and you lost everything? You are still here, you are strong, continu forward, you are winning this.

Maybe my own personnal problems goes in how I interpret this but it is no wonder some people are making a cult about him, he is a leader that doesn't try to rise a nation. He try to be an ideal, it is a survivor twisted view.

He is a monster, he kill with no remorse, he enjoy pain and yet, he is just a survivor.

God damn, I loved him to death before. Now, I love him to life.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Idk, he seems nice to me. I was expecting him to ult that guy at the end.

Nevrankroaton5 votes

He praise survivors, for him, they prove to be worthy of life. It is almost like he try to kill you because he want to help you become better. And if you die, well you suck.

Splision3 votes

Well he spared the narrator because he wanted them to be a witness and spread his message, so he did break his own rule, but that's chaos for ya.

Sharjo4 votes

Survival doesn't always involve winning a fight. Sometimes the best way to survive is to run and fight another day.

Son of Ur1 votes

He didn't spare him in the sense you mean. Urgot believes in the "crucible of pain".

Crucible- a situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new.

The "trial" here was surviving the gas for X amount of time. Our narrator was the only one who did this; hence, he past the test. His trial wasn't about surviving Urgot himself. This won't be his last either because as Urgot says, "There is always another trial".

Tails90161 votes

If you die, well you suck

Whoa don't copy my life motto

KuroCaliber6 votes

I'm pretty impressed. The story truly was better told through someone else's eyes. They captured the horror of what urgot is very well.

Son of Ur1 votes

And the mental change our narrator went through. He went from a carefree gang leader to a Son of Ur in minutes (pretty telling how much of an imposing figure Urgot is).

ChunLii6 votes

People have got to stop trusting Swain

Ralanr4 votes

I never did. Something was always off about that guy.

SolarisCorvus3 votes

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I never did. Something was always off about that guy.

probably his huge bird that is always on his shoulder.

Ralanr5 votes

I assumed it was the transformation into a bird abomination.

SolarisCorvus3 votes

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I assumed it was the transformation into a bird abomination.

Nah thats fine.

Melledoneus2 votes

Nah, it's his hair. Never trust a man with hair like that.

Meep Man3 votes

Not sure how many times I have to say that Swain is a villain.

Beyond Legends4 votes

All is fair is love and war. Do you believe politics is a picnic? Urgot choose the the wrong side and he lost it all.

In his words he is not worthy.

Beyond Legends2 votes

How is Swain untrust worthy? He didn't betray Urgot, urgot was despose because he stood at the wrong side of a political struggle. Darkwill will most likely done the same.

Whining that swain so called “betrayal” is a weakness and benieth Noxus. It not the realist that you should fear but the idealistic morons

Chromatic Eagle6 votes

I really wish there was more detail behind his betrayal. Feels like there's a piece missing in his story. Same as his breakout.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Thanks Ral, was actually expecting it to be Sharjo, but you seem to have beat him to it.

Sharjo3 votes

Busy at the moment, but hey Ralanar's got our backs!

Ralanr2 votes

Who's Ralnar? I'm Ralanr. :P

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

For some reason we all misspell your name in that particular way... I have yet to figure out why.

Ralanr1 votes

I imagine people spell it like they pronounce it.

I pronounce it Ra-la-ner. Everyone else says Ral-ner.

Sharjo1 votes

I always pronounced is Ra-La-Ner.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Guilty as charged. I pronounce it Ral-ner. Explains my spelling lol.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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I imagine people spell it like they pronounce it.

I pronounce it Ra-la-ner. Everyone else says Ral-ner.

OMG! Yay! I got it right then![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KuroCaliber2 votes

And here I thought it was Ruh-LA-nur

Sharjo1 votes

Whoops.

Fixed!

Ralanr5 votes

Too many a's lol.

Fasmodey1 votes

get rekt

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

I'm more just confused why Swain would take the time to screw him over. He's an executioner, not exactly a high political position that needs to be removed from power for the new regime to take over.

Rest of it was alright though.

Ralanr7 votes

It's possible that being an executioner in Noxus is more important than we realize.

Draven turns the damn thing into a spectacle after all.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Yeah, but that's the key, Draven turned it into a spectacle. Which I can see being useful from a "bread and circuses" perspective. But Draven (I hope) doesn't have any actual power other than that of a celebrity.

Chembaron Yamada5 votes

On the other hand, Noxus is idealising strength. Being an executioner could mean being a political figure in that context.

Think about it, an executioner is someone with the power of killing beings who are harming the nation. Maybe others caught a culprit, but it is the executioner who is killing the enemies of Noxus.

We know that you go up in rank by proving strength. The position of the executioner could be a privilege given to someone showing extraordinary power on the battlefield, one of the highest ranks in Noxus with alot of ceremonial weight.

Draven then used his influence to promote himself even further by making a ceremony to an event.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Right, sure, but that's still not any actual reason for Swain to screw him over. What you've just described is more akin to a figurehead than actually doing anything that would effect Swain's plans.

Ralanr1 votes

Possibly it has to do with Swain not trusting those of a previous regime, even someone like an executioner.

If an executioner is an important figure politically, than keeping the same executioner is the same as keeping a symbol of your previous ruler. If you're an enemy of that ruler than you don't want positive reminders.

But we could be overthinking how important Swain thought Urgot was. It's possible that Swain just sent Urgot to Zaun as a bargaining chip to Voss. There has to be a reason why Swain didn't just go for the murder route.

Son of Ur1 votes

"There has to be a reason why Swain didn't just go for the murder route."

Maybe Swain thought someone like Urgot would be able to dishevel Zaun into a state of chaos so it is easier to conquer? Recall, a Noxian agent was sent to the same prison as Urgot, perhaps Swain heard about what Urgot was doing in the prison and sent this agent to push Urgot over the edge.

SolarisCorvus1 votes

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I'm more just confused why Swain would take the time to screw him over. He's an executioner, not exactly a high political position that needs to be removed from power for the new regime to take over.

Rest of it was alright though.

Maybe swain was trying to isolate darkwill of any support and in Noxus maybe an executioner is seen as an important symbol. If that is the case better to have an executioner that he can have an easier time controlling.

Eternal7911 votes

Love it. Praise Urgod!

WestTiger1 votes

You know, I gotta take umbrage at the 'usurper' thing for Swain, because AFAWK, if the events in Urgot's story more or less follows the story leading up to Kalamanda, then Swain was building up a political power base already before having Darkwill assassinated.

It was less a sudden coup, and more like 50-50 either way if they had an election. The earlier part of Swain's lore said that he was originally removed from active service before the League, because Darkwill and the other higher-ups were afraid of his growing popularity and support.

When Darkwill died, his son Kieran tried to take over via nepotism - which btw wasn't even suppose to be a thing in meritocratic Noxus in the first place.

So he and Swain fought. All we know about Kieran is he had a sword. He was basically an NPC that just got introduced. Of course he lost (though why LeBlanc was Swain's body-double in the first half of the fight, I don't know)

The most underhanded thing Swain did was kill Darkwill indirectly instead of challenging him. But Darkwill according to the lore was also stretching his life with necromantic powers and sciences, and was afraid to even leave the Noxus capital because that left him vulnerable. So I don't know, maybe Swain figured Darkwill would either weasel his way out a fight. Or Darkwill's supporters would have resurrected him quickly using previous methods if he was still in Noxus.

Edit: And because I know some people will go 'but it's old lore'. If both 'new lores' in Sion's REBIRTH teaser, and now Urgot's bio, refer to events that occurred in Swain's/LeBlanc's current/old lore; then in lieu of any actual new lore, I think we can assume for now, that at least highly similar events still happened (but remove the Summoners' parts)

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