@Narrative Team, please tell me Naut's short bio is just how the world sees him

Malicious Metal·Nov 23, 2017·59 votes·2,241 views

And NOT who he actually is.

Don't tell me you retconned the Sailor who was abandoned by his crew Who was sent to the abyss as they let him sink with the anchor he now carries around To be corrupted by whatever darkness lurks in the ocean's depths

Only to wander the ocean in search of those who left him to die

I always liked Nautilus as a man who only had revenge left but still had the capacity for good, as seen by him standing against the Harrowing. His past life may be gone and those who wronged him are probably long dead, give Nautilus a chance for redemption, to find a new purpose and not just be some Submarine Boogieman.

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48 Comments

Grimm HowlNov 23, 201727 votes

From what I took from that short bio is that the possibility of being wronged by his crew mates could still be a thing, but it was Nagakabouros that intervened as Nautilus sank with that anchor. What the dark corruption of the depths actually was could have been her aura, choosing to spare Nautilus of this death by giving him a new purpose. Allowing him to get his revenge on those who wronged him, but only by becoming an agent of the Bearded Lady. Sinking and dragging the ships and crew of sailors who have wronged others to the depths of the ocean. Since he's become an extension of her, it would still allow him to do good like fending off the Harrowing.

Chembaron YamadaNov 23, 20177 votes

Had the same thought. It seems for me like Nautilus is LoL's version of Davy Jones.

Once a man, he got betrayed by his crew and left to die. The bearded lady made him an offer to become her agent and he is now wandering the waters to fulfill it while looking for his revenge.

Doctor DymentNov 23, 20171 votes

It could also be like a master/slave relationship. I hope Nautilus is not exactly a willing subject to the sea goddess, but is forced into the role because she saved his life so to speak when he was dropped into the water.

PlacentasNov 23, 20171 votes

Dig this.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

But it lists him as literally existing before time does. That makes it so he predates Nagakabouros and everything else. He isn't a servant of the god if anything he's something far more powerful.

Chembaron YamadaNov 24, 20171 votes

You shouldn't take this part seriously. "Existing before time does" is most likely just a literary phrase to point out that his legend is pretty old. In the end, his story is inspired by sailor myths.

Most likely, Riot is pulling a Davy Jones here. Nautilus was probably once a man and sailor, but he died in the seas. For some reason, Nagakaborous intervent and gave him a new life with new purpose and he is wandering the waters as an old legend from Bilgewater now.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

In a lore description everything is in a literal sense. It's not a story description to my knowledge and there's a big difference.

Chembaron YamadaNov 24, 20171 votes

No, they are not always in the literal sense. Otherwise we would get a direct description of what Amumu really is instead of a bunch of myths what he could be.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

Amumu's lore is meant to be surrounded in mystery. Naut's isn't. That's the difference between the two. Why describe someone in a non literal sense when you are trying to convey an image? Outside of story context which again, Amumu's is, there is no point and just comes off as stupid.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20172 votes

Naut's lore can definitely be surrounded in mystery, he's a fisherman's tale.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

Oh it certainly can be, but when you have a literal description of what he is it clearly isn't.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20171 votes

It's not meant to be a literal description, it's supposed to stylistically describe Nautilus.

The writer could've said that Nautilus has been around for a while, but that's kinda bland so the writer used something called figurative language.

You have to keep in mind that each of the pieces of lore we receive doubles as a piece of prose describing the champion, they're not meant to be 100% literal in the sense that they will obviously include hyperbolic descriptions and such.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

Okay that is not figurative language. Figurative language, to put it simply is to speak in a content when something well known or established is then turned into a different meaning.

I.E. Calling a pregnant female dog a bitch is it's literal meaning. Calling a mean person a bitch is the figurative language change of the word.

So are you telling me that the writer has actually come up with a new meaning for the term "time immemorial" and is now changing it to fit their story, as described above?

If they are doing that then power to them if they are they must have a POI atleast otherwise things like this kind of confusion happens.

BUT seeing as how the praise is still used in it's original contextualized value, I doubt this very much.

Even then if it is still spoken in the context figurative language it still has a literal context by the newly defined term.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20171 votes

to put it simply we have been arguing over nothing because we both misunderstood the phrase.

KnalxzNov 25, 2017

The conversation hasn't really been about the phrase but more of the literal content of the lore described.

Right or wrong, and wrong we were the context of the description is literal in all ways.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

The conversation hasn't really been about the phrase but more of the literal content of the lore described.

Right or wrong, and wrong we were the context of the description is literal in all ways.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

It can be but it's not very mysterious when you're told exactly what he is.

We have ancient tales to even reference. The Illiad and The Odyssey. Yet we literally know everything about those stories.

Just because something is old doesn't mean it's mysterious. It means it's old.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20171 votes

Well no, we don't. We know about the written versions of those stories but we don't know everything, that's why they're studied so much.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

We do know everything about the tales that is written seeing as how the stories are complete.

The reason we study them is because of their age, compelling story, societal importance and philosophical meanings. Not because we can't comprehend them.

Grimm HowlNov 24, 20171 votes

"Since time immemorial" does not mean before time began. Immemorial by definition means in the distant past / very old. By knowing that, the short bio of Nautilus reads "All know the tales; all pay the Bilgewater tithe. Since as long as anyone can remember, Nautilus has roamed the dark waters of the Blue Flame Isles.." Like what SatomiKun replied to me with, is that Nautilus could be acting as Runeterra's Davy Jones, the agent of the Bearded Lady to punish those who break the code of the open seas.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

I can see how this works out seeing as how I was wrong about that phrase.

Either way the description is to be literal.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 23, 201714 votes

It’s the same story, but the time table is moved forward. When I think of Nautilus I think of a hulking creature roaming the depths. It’s a lot more interesting to me than the 50th tragic story. If Riot keeps the whole betrayal thing then at least give me a reason to care about Nautilus before he was betrayed.

HaeringNov 23, 20176 votes

Agree. I´m personally really uninterested in stories involving revenge. It´s so overused. Skarner wants revenge, Renekton wants revenge, Varus wants revenge, Morgana wants revenge, Kassadin wants revenge....then you have Miss Fortune who THINKS she achieved it and Kalista who is the impersonation of revenge.

I´d like Nautilus to diverge and have a new original background.

SkorchNov 24, 20171 votes

The reason I liked nautilus story isnt because its a revenge story, but more of just a goal. Yes it is just another revenge story, but against who? Well the other sailors, but who are they? are they even still alive?

This question made me LOVE nautilus. Its not like the others of Renekton wants revenge against Nasus, Varus wants revenge against Noxus, MF wanted revenge against gangplank, Skarner wants revenge against piltover. Its a Nautilus wants... revenge.

The thought of just a pissed off collosus giant, that was once human. Just walking around pissed the fuck off, at everything, was a really cool and interesting idea.

This new lore.... kinda makes him ocean cho'gath "Fuck this boat in particular" type of thing.

FlameHalbrdOkidoNov 23, 20175 votes

Ok now im getting kinda annoyed where are all these new lores coming from and how are u guys finding out about them, why are new lores never clearly announced!?

PeppurrNov 23, 20174 votes

Surrender@20 I believe

Chromatic EagleNov 23, 20173 votes

It’d be nice if people at least link where they get it from, or the actual bio.

Warlord DienekesNov 23, 20174 votes

Regardless of quality of the lore. Anyone else think that it’s just odd that an animate deep sea diving harness. A thing that wasn’t even invented until the 1800s is supposedly from time immemorial?

SharjoNov 23, 20177 votes

I would've imagined it as a thing twisted and merged together from the wreckages of lost ships and deep sea debris; a form that was changing over the course of eons and maybe even inspired the creation of such diving harnesses in the modern era? Might be a stretch but I suppose it depends on what Nautilus is to begin with.

On another note the whole paying tithe to Nagakabouros thing could just be an assumed quality based on the obersvations of Bilgewater's people rather than anything else.

kagepaladinNov 24, 20172 votes

I mean they have had diving tools around alot longer than the 1800's they just don't look like how you expect, also this is LoL the demacians basically live in medieval times in a sense with the all the horses and pageantry they do with them. Zaun and Piltover are basically hex-punk cities. Ionia is a land of magic and mysticism, Bilgewater is a lawless land of backstabbing, thievery, murder, and now negakabouros. Shadow isles is just simply a land of undeath formerly a land that held immense magical relic's in a vault. Noxus is a warlike late 1800's england I guess is the best way to explain it.

My point being is they take freaking chain guns from recent times and people that still use horses for transportation even though i'm pretty sure cars are canon now, At least motorcycles are.

Troll for TrumpNov 24, 20173 votes

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/7/72/Holy_fuck_dude_that_was_pretty_edgy.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20170927233938

Agreed, like the in-depth version, much less shallow

6FlagsFunnelCakeNov 23, 20172 votes

Perhaps it was Nagakabourous that wants to give Nautilus his redemption and revenge, in turn using him at the same time as a herald of the god's wrath.

HonestJohnTheConNov 23, 20171 votes

I hope so, because there's certainly room for both giving what we have of his new lore so far.

D3m37r1Nov 23, 20171 votes

I hope they don't retcon it. I really want to know what were they investigating.

Sraeg2013Nov 23, 20171 votes

They couldn't change the single word requiring a change in Varus' lore, what chance does Nautilus have?

Stars ShaperNov 23, 20171 votes

That's ofc how the ppl see him, it reminds of a lot of mariners' tales.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

I agree. I htoguht it was pretty fucking cool that they had him fight against the Shadow Isles. I imagine him saying,

"Yeah, they'd eventually kill those bastards that left me for dead, BUT I WANT TO KILL THEM!" and thus he fought for good despite no one even knowing so. They just saw this menacing giant duking it out with ghosts and said "As long as he isn't killing us, it's cool."

I get it that Rito is making this League of Legends be filled with actual legends but mortals can be legendary on their own.

Look no further then the guy who fled to South Korea. Dude had balls, probably the biggest balls in all of North Korea. Took 5 shots and still kept on running.

With this new Nuat he's actually just a monster. The void is literally a hellish alternate reality full of monsters, don't you guys think we have enough of them?

I was honestly hoping Nuat would get a connection to Illoai's god, but nothing.

Chembaron YamadaNov 24, 20172 votes

He has a connection to Illaoi's god now. [sg-lux-2]

It states that he is sinking ships as a tribute for her and he is most likely a direct servant of the bearded lady.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

Nagakaborous is the bearded lady?

Never knew that was stated before. Either way it says Nuat's beginnings are before time, I doubt he is a servant of a god but is one himself.

Chembaron YamadaNov 24, 20171 votes

Nagakaborous and the bearded lady are the same, it got stated in Illaoi's lore.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

Well regardless it's a stupid choice of words to describe something seeing as how speaking in a half literal tense is fucking impossible. Either all of it is true or none of it. it can't role both ways.

Chembaron YamadaNov 24, 20171 votes

What? You know how myths and legends work, right?

True core, alot of lies and exaggerations around it. It isn't always just "it's entirely true or entirely fake".

And Nautilus is exactly this, an old legend of Bilgewater. Of course they will make additions over the centuries which aren't correct.

How can you even think that "older than time" is meant literally? Why would a "god", which existed even before fundamental physical rules, take the appearance of a diver suit? It is more likely that he once was a man himself wearing that suit and dying and becoming a legend later.

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

Except why would this one piece of lore exaggerate or mislead when none of the others have? They all say exactly what the champion is then list possible theories. None of they list the two as one in the same.

If the lore doesn't say or imply it then who the fuck cares what else could possibly be?

Unless an outside source I.E. Champion quotes say something to add into to, what we read is 100% true until proven wrong. Seeing as how there is nothing to prove this wrong it is 100% true.

Do you have anything to prove that the section is exaggerated? Of course other then "It seems like it is!"

If not then it's all literal because why would one part just lie?

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 24, 20171 votes

Since time immemoriam is an exaggeration, think of Naut like a fisherman’s tale.

KnalxzNov 24, 20171 votes

How can it be an exaggeration when everything else is spoken in fact? Who talks like that? I'll be literal then exaggerate in the same sentence! That doesn't seem right at all and wouldn't make a lick of nonsense because what could be and couldn't be said to be literal and not could be as flimsy. It's either all literal or none of it. You can's speak in a half literal tone.

Sounds like a poor excuse to cover up stupid choice of words if you ask me.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20171 votes

Do you know what a fisherman's tale is?

There's no rule in literature that states that everything or nothing is literal. Hyperbole exists and people have used it since time immemorial

KnalxzNov 25, 20171 votes

Yes but a hyperbole is meant to not to be taken literally. They basically exist to fuck with the reader. You'll never find one in the description of someone's lore.

"Darth Vader is a Sith Lord and he killed like a BAJILLION KIDS!!! It was fucked up man."

Yeah, tell me where you see that line on Wookiepedia.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOONov 25, 20171 votes

Except this is lore, myths, tall tales. These pieces aren't meant to provide analytical descriptions of the character, they distill the essence of the character into a few short sentences.

Obviously wookiepedia won't include language like that, but the League of Legends lore pieces are not a wiki nor are they encyclopedic.