Cultural references in Swain's voiceover

Blood Magicks··39 votes·12,401 views

I've been anticipating the VO ever since Interlocutioner hinted there would be a Nietzsche quote. I dug until I found it, but then decided to go all the way and dig out other references that may be useful in understanding Swain's character.

Here's a list of all I've recognized/found. It's quite interesting to think about, because many of his lines are references to or plays on famous quotes (which means I might be imagining some). Many are improvements on Swain's old VO and the majority (I think) are just pure sass.

##"All roads lead to Noxus, but all visions, to Demacia." ##"They flee Noxus on the roads we built!" Both of these allude to the famous saying "All roads lead to Rome". It can both be interpreted as "many routes can lead to a given result" and as an interesting bit of info about Noxus: they maintain their empire through revolutionary infrastructure, they connect cities and cultures. I remember a further post on /r/SwainMains very aptly comparing Noxus to Rome. An interesting read. ##"Diplomacy is a subtle art." Could refer to a Ronald Reagan quote: Ronald Reagan “Diplomacy, of course, is a subtle and nuanced craft, so much so that it's said that when the most wily diplomat of the nineteenth-century passed away, other diplomats asked, on reports of his death, What do you suppose the old fox meant by that?” ##"Only this, and nothing more." Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven", of course.

##"You can sit on a throne, that doesn't make you a ruler. It only means you have an arse." ##"Any man who must say "We are winning," is not truly winning." These both sound like something Tywin Lannister would say. Specifically him addressing Joffrey. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJY7BTIuPY ##"I'm not smiling. I'm threatening to smile. It's still a threat." Added by Epicurus and Warlord Dienekes, another Tywin one: "Every once in a very long while, Lord Tywin Lannister would actually threaten to smile; he never did, but the threat alone was terrible to behold." ##"A riddle wrapped in a mystery, hidden within us all." Now this was a treat, because it is the words Churchill used to describe Russia: "I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma." I guess it could be used to draw comparisons between Noxians and Russians? I enjoy the idea of Noxians being part slavic.

##"Leave the survivors to their officers." ##"I often kill in my visions. When I close my eyes, do not come near." These are almost direct quotes by Cao Cao. Relevant /r/SwainMains discussion.

##"More than what we do not understand, we fear being understood." ##"Some say the darkness stares back, because they cannot see me." Here we go, the Nietzsche references. The first one alludes to the quote: "Every deep thinker is more afraid of being understood than of being misunderstood". To that I'd like to add another phrase by Niezsche: "Tout comprendre—c'est tout mépriser [To understand all—is to despise all]". The second one, I think, has something to do with: “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” and may allude to now Swain met his demon?

##"The demon is always in the details." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_devil_is_in_the_detail - a saying. I wonder if it's important for his lore?

##"The ends of war are death." "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato misattributed quote?

##"Weak of body; weak of mind." Could be a reference to a Jefferson quote or a reversal of a Latin phrase?

##“Better to be feared than loved.” Added by Warlord Diekenes, a Machiavelli quote. The complete line is _“And here comes in the question whether it is better to be loved rather than feared, or feared rather than loved. It might perhaps be answered that we should wish to be both; but since love and fear can hardly exist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved.” _

Let me know if you find more. Truly, Swain is so omniscient that if there was to be two omnisciences, he would be both.

32 Comments

RiotRiot Scathlocke21 votes

Ziltoid. Nice. :-)

T8 Speedwagon1 votes

Quick question, who is swain voice actor now? :o

Blood Magicks7 votes

We need some real music in this game. Pentakill is too mainstream. Clean vocals are an abomination. Nevermind, vocals at all are an abomination. As are song structures that make sense.

PS I am eternally grateful to anyone who recommends good music

RiotRiot Scathlocke10 votes

We should hang out.

Blood Magicks4 votes

Let me know if you're ever in London with nothing to do*[vlad-salute]*

rtbf2256182412 votes

I haven't met a single person who doesn't like Rock music. It's beyond mainstream for me and lacks any and all charm.

But some alternative Rock is pleasing to hear.

And who the hell likes screamos? That's literally earrape.

RiotRiot Scathlocke5 votes

Maybe Blood Magicks and I were living in our respective bubbles, then... but I am old enough to remember when liking the "wrong" kind of music and having long hair was enough to get you put in hospital in the UK... :-(

On the mean streets of Nottingham and Derby, 20 years ago, rock was so counter-culture as to be almost invisible - I think 'Rollin' by Limp Bizkit was the turning point, or maybe Linkin Park's UK debut. After that, you couldn't move for kids in eyeliner and baggy trousers! And don't even talk to me about Kerrang TV...

White Zombie. Strapping Young Lad. Sepultura with Max Cavalera. Those were the days. [/nostalgia]

rtbf2256182412 votes

Right. Well it should go without saying that that's entirely just my own opinion. I don't condemn anyone for their preference, i'm just puzzled at the near-hypnotic influence it has had on culture and nearly everyone i know. Personally, i can't tolerate heavy metal at all for example or instrumental displays that are just guitar riffs.

I mean you get the idea, i'm more confused than opposed to it.

RiotRiot Scathlocke2 votes

My roommate from college was a huge fan of Iron Maiden. To this day, I still find reasons not to be around when a guitar solo begins...

Malicious Metal3 votes

Weakness disgusts me.

Blood Magicks1 votes

Oh man speaking of nostalgia I really miss the aesthetic and the general culture (black metal briefly being mainstream; LARPers singing Bard's Song around the fire; folk metal kids practicing pagan rituals; guys copying Peter Steele).

In contrast, I'm more than happy with how the music is developing and I find myself anticipating newer releases as much as I look back to old ones. There's some real creativity and good musicianship going on, if a bit too complex to break into the mainstream ever again. For example I'm surprised we had to wait until the Year of the Lord 2017 for TesseracT copycats to finally start appearing, and I can't wait to see them develop their own style...

Velzard of Koz1 votes

When the topic of his lines are on, what is the quote "Sitting on throne doesn't make you a ruler, it only means you have an ass" related to? I couldn't find it in SkinSpotlight's special interactions but it was among his lines.

Lady Faceless1 votes

It is one of his "First Step" quotes.

https://youtu.be/IaGaqTW6QPQ?t=16m40s

Velzard of Koz1 votes

Ah thanks seems like I missed it.

Warlord Dienekes7 votes

He has two references to Tywin Lannister:

The threatening to smile line. And the “whoever says I am winning is not winning.” Line. Which is a reference to the “whoever says I am king.”

He also references Machiavelli with the infamous “better to be feared than loved.”

Like always though they miss the context with that last one. The complete line is “it’s better to be both loved and feared. But if for whatever reason you can’t be both it is better to be feared. So long as that fear does not turn to hatred.”

Every petty dictator seems to forget that point.

By the way if Rioters ever read this. I must commend you on his VO. Best in a long while.

Blood Magicks1 votes

💯

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

I havent actually listened to his full VO yet. When I do I might come back with more.

I’d be straight up surprised if there isn’t at least one reference to Caesar and Sun Tzu.

Epicurus3 votes

His joke response is also a Tywin Lannister reference. "I'm not smiling. I'm threatening to smile. It's still a threat." It is very close to a memorable line from the books: "Every once in a very long while, Lord Tywin Lannister would actually threaten to smile; he never did, but the threat alone was terrible to behold."

Blood Magicks2 votes

Nice!

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Finished the interactions video. Couldn't seem to find the full VO anywhere. Got these.

"Isn't even my final form." Frieza DBZ

"Victory awaits." Carriers from Starcraft II

"Prepare and victory is inevitable." Maybe a stretch, but I think this is just distilling down about 3 chapters of Art of War. Especially the sections where he talks about how the commander who prepares more will win, this is the quote usually used: The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand.

RiotInterlocutioner5 votes

"Victory awaits" is actually a classic Swain quote!! There are a few more scattered throughout the script. For example, let's just say that I wasn't joking when I said he was 15 steps ahead. [slayer-jinx-wink]

edoxbox11 votes

Wait. Wher he say he are 15 step ahead ? I miss it ? alp

Naeblis4951 votes

{quoted}

Wait. Wher he say he are 15 step ahead ? I miss it ? alp

" they are five steps from realizing i am 10 steps ahead" is one of new swain quote :)

edoxbox11 votes

Oh, lol

Pale Pirate2 votes

I think you misquoted the Machiavelli quote?

Blood Magicks2 votes

True, fixed.

Kairoptra2 votes

“What have the ravens brought me?”

I’m pretty sure this is a reference to the biblical story of Elijah. His story’s a bit long, so you might want to read it for yourself or find some YouTube videos on it. If you’re not feeling those, I could try to give you a th;dr if you wanted. Although, I’d be afraid of leaving something out, so you’d probably still get a pillar of text (still won’t be anywhere near as long as the actual story, though).

SpiritOfOdysseus2 votes

Very nice!! You did a great job piecing together references :)

Knalxz2 votes

I'd prefer if Swain was closer to Tywin then that crazy wizard from Harry Potter, but I guess Swain is literally a wizard so...hm.

Sona Ping1 votes

"The ends of war are death." "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato misattributed quote?

It looks like you have the wrong end there, so that one does not work. Also, apparently that was George Santayana's idea attributed to Plato.

"I'm not smiling. I'm threatening to smile. It's still a threat." Added by Epicurus and Warlord Dienekes, another Tywin one.

Aww, that's disappointing. I liked that one...

Sorry Team1 votes

Hey good work Vlady.

Also gentle reminder that Demacia > Noxus

Lordk0z1 votes

Just shilling myself here.

But yeah. Noxus has a very clear Roman inspiration now, and I feel like that's the direction they're taking the city-state as a whole.

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