I hope post-VGU Swain is still full of Edgar Allan Poe and literary references.

Blood Magicks··72 votes·3,944 views

Everyone hypes over Swain 's power, his strategic mastery and iron grip on Noxus but many tend to forget another side of the Grand General: he is an incredibly poetic character.

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Part of Swain's concept is, of course, the famous poem "The Raven" by Poe. It's possibly the most acclaimed work of gothic literature and its meaning is, I believe, man's encounter with the unknown and his futile attempts to interpret nature. A great deal of Swain's mystique comes from his bond with the mystical raven, symbolizing a man coming to possess knowledge that wasn't meant for mortals. Yes, this sounds literary, but I feel Swain is meant to be the most literary character in League. His journal, which tells the story of Sion's rebirth is beautifully written:

"We've come full circle: a Grand General in need of a champion, the Black Rose seeking to wind its roots further into High Command, and a fallen warrior starved of battle. This time, it will be different. Boram managed to revive the body successfully, but all he got was a mindless beast with a single instinct: to devour life. I can't fix a thing so broken, but I can rekindle its purpose, and that may be enough for my plans. The ritual is prepared, and the body still hungers."

"Drink deep of the blood of your killer, son of Noxus, and live again."

Besides hyping up the upcoming re-release, I want to tell Jaredan if he happens to be around here: I know by your enthusiasm you're going to give Swain some superb writing, but also don't be afraid to make it literary. Tahm Kench levels of grandiloquent. If anyone in League should be like that, it's our beloved general. Swain's fans are the most lore-obsessed, bookish types and they will love it.

PS Yes I remade the thread sorry

31 Comments

Warlord Dienekes18 votes

Swain is... interesting. From a rework perspective. In gameplay, he's honestly just a generic mage, except for that ult when you suddenly want to get in close to the entire enemy team. In visuals he is some sort of Gothic nightmare. And in lore he is the grand general. And none of these aspects have anything to do with each other.

So, you get a bunch of different people who latch onto one aspect of him. For you, it's the whole Goth/Poe references. Which for me, I couldn't care less about. I want to see a commander.

It will be interesting to see what Riot does with this guy.

Blood Magicks8 votes

Darius is a strict military commander-man. Swain is something above and beyond, even by Darius's judgment.

Warlord Dienekes7 votes

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Darius is a strict military commander-man. Swain is something above and beyond, even by Darius's judgment.

Darius has literally no abilities or dialogue that reflect being a commander. He's a big guy with an axe, who the backstory claims has a brain but has never actually shown it.

Swain's entire shtick that keeps getting referenced is that he is the sort of ruler of Noxus, the Master Tactician. Whose leadership inspired Darius, who has been making deals with the Rose to control the empire. Who has been utilizing the various tools to prepare for war.

Blood Magicks5 votes

Darius has literally no abilities or dialogue that reflect being a commander. He's a big guy with an axe, who the backstory claims has a brain but has never actually shown it.

Unfortunately this is the case with many old champions. But in his lore he is a great leader and a force for change in Noxus. Swain is complex and ambiguous, which the rework will hopefully clarify without dispelling the mystery.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Man it is weird hearing Darius being called one of the old champions. I remember his release thinking how much he improves on the gameplay of the "old champions" like Garen.

You're not wrong though.

Blackstone011 votes

I think he was the last new champion to be in the Journal of Justice

Blitzidious8 votes

All I want Gameplay-wise is for Swain to stay as a DoT mage, be relatively tanky(No glass cannon), and for riot to give him more mechanical depth. I love his ultimate form, but if it absolutely needs to go for whatever direction they take him, which I believe they will if they want to move him away from his current simplicity, I'll be fine with it. I'll miss it, but I'll be fine. (So long as he keeps his DoT and Durability).

Regarding his personality and visuals, I hope for the same thing you do.

Arakadia3 votes

Well turning into a Big Ol' Raven should without a doubt stay. But "Press R for a cool Spell Vamp Sunfire" should go.

Blitzidious1 votes

Yeah, I meant more along the lines of how it functions then how it looks.

Wordofmask1 votes

I'm sure they will keep his transformation ability but with a complete overhualed mechanic to the point that it might not give you healing effect anymore.

Frankly, except of transformation kit and Mage role. I couldn't careless of what ChampUp team wants to do with him gameplay-wise. Let's face the truth that his current kits are very simple and I just want more challenging but rewarding kits that require a time and learning curve to master him.

Something like making a difference between his human and raven form. His human form might play like a generic warlock but when you transforms to his raven form it will trigger his human's spells

Ralanr3 votes

Yeah, Riot's been a lot better at making champion identities match both kit and lore wise now.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Oh definitely. When I started playing their version of a ninja was a tank. The update made him some sort of mystic balance monk guy. But it's still weird when you think about it.

Makes me curious who drew up a ninja and thought "yeah, this guy is gonna want to make everyone try and smack him."

ModWuks8 votes

I think it's by far my favorite poem. I never was able to learn the whole poem by heart, but I've got the first 4-5 verses nailed. Mysterious, thrilling, dark, and nostalgic. Here's my upvote, which comes to be no more valuable than the next person's vote.

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Clementine4 votes

I hope Swain becomes hard as fuck to master and requires a lot of planning, if that makes sense.

Hovering Hentai3 votes

Where the fuck does Beatrice go when Swain ults...

Is she part of the flock healing him or does she just head to the bench for a few seconds...

Riot really need to nail the Tactician part of him for the rework, make him predict and outplay enemies aside from his current method of "How can I walk at you to get the most out of this trade" he currently is

DarkSunSovereign1 votes

You can still cast Q, so she doesn't go anywhere I guess.

PhoenixOfHeaven3 votes

As a Swain fan, I agree. He isn't one of my highest masteries, but he is my favorite champion Lore wise, by a longshot. I also used to make him for like a year. His rework could be interesting... I honestly don't think he needs a full on VGU, but if he gets one I wont complain.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

As a Swain fan, I agree. He isn't one of my highest masteries, but he is my favorite champion Lore wise.

As another among probably many others who have the exact same opinions about Swain as a champ and a character, I agree entirely.

However I don't agree with this "my favorite champion Lore wise, by a longshot." Swain's current bio is a hard example of how flat and underdeveloped the old lore really was. Swain has 2 paragraphs of lore, with a little bit extra from JOJ.

Riot may have created an intriguing character with Swain but they didn't really expand or express his lore potential at all. Honestly the community fan fiction and head canons did more for Swain's character development then the dev of the time and that is where I believe his popularity came from because then the community do their own interpretations.

PhoenixOfHeaven1 votes

The 'longshot' was a spur of the moment thing. Kindred is so cool..

Swain has a TON of potential. He's pulled off an insane amount of lore-related events(Revival of Sion, his role with Urgot's lore now) and even more theories.(Most prominent is his theories with Riven.)

Over Innsmouth2 votes

"Quoth the Draven, nevermore."

JoeMG2 votes

As a huge Poe fan, I agree. I always liked the idea of swain but never picked him up really just based on his looks and uninteractive mechanics. A VGU would be very promising.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

grandiloquent is a wonderful word.

I Main Swain1 votes

hold on hold on back that up

swain's what now?

Lord Babkonzerv1 votes

I hope he will have a reference to The mask of the Red Death. By far may favourite short story.

ModJango Mage1 votes

I hope that his rework is going to be like more of a modernization(like Urgot or Warwick ) and not a bigger overhaul.(like Galio or Sion ) Hes been one of my mains for almost as long as i started playing the game, so i dont want riot to ruin him.

Wordofmask1 votes

I don't think so, Reav3 said that he feels Swain needs massive overhaul like Galio and Sion but he's not sure if the changes would be as big as the two champs.

"You mean which champions needs Sion/Galio level work? Keep in mind this is just my gut feelings and things could change when we actually work on these champions. Champions I feel need massive overhauls would be champions like Nunu, Skarner, Swain, Mordekaiser, Mundo, Cho'Gath, Tryndamere to name a few. Not saying they all would be as big as Galio's changes were but that they probably need a lot of work. "

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VLii4BnW-riot-is-a-hypocrite?comment=00030002000000020000000400000002000000000000

Squey1 votes

2017 and still no swain skin since may 2012.

PopePancake1 votes

Removing his Ult seems a little redundent, considering it's probably his most iconic ability. A reworking of it sure, but removal seems a little over the edge.

zeskgames1 votes

Wait? Is that a teaser for a Swain VGU? If it is, could have a link to the source plz?

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

My favorite aspect of him lore wise is how he is upper class savvy and a great general (so great that people are willing to take demotions in order to follow under his leadership). IDK if I would use the word charismatic to describe Swain but his lore paints him as person with a trait that is quite similar to it potentially galvanic or some combination of the 2. A commander who consistently initiates the attack or first major blow is just impossible not to like as a soldier, especially if the fights/battles are as dangerous as his lore hints at. Yet at the same time he appreciates the fine arts like music and can mingle with the upper class. His ability to gain allies/loyalty from the fighters and the schemers/planners in Noxus is a trait of his I hope is kept.

NullDragon1 votes

Idea to execute on the master tactician idea: At least one ability with a super long delay like Ekko. Combine Nevermove and Torment, and make an ability which applies a 2 second root after three seconds, and increases damage dealt to targets inside.

Not sure what to replace his other abilities with, though. I do want his ult to be more monstery, though. become the monster Swain was meant to be, devour the land

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