And stop ignoring/ neglecting eve for a VU or rework? ;__; She's one of my favorite champs and I own every skin for her....to see that you guys chose yo ignore and just give her a 750 skin is pretty frustrating. How come eve doesn't get any love from the ChampUp team....
http://pre05.deviantart.net/f6b1/th/pre/f/2013/083/4/8/_lol__tango_evelynn_by_dw628-d5z2m1b.png
DwarvenGiant5 votesThe thing is that they mostly aren't sure what to thematically do with her ("What is she?"). :P
She's definitely a priority for them.
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votesyeah she seems to be in the same boat as 
rework wise. they never gave them an identity, just ooooooo mystery.... aka "we don't wanna take the time to come up with something". having a mysterious character is cool, but there are better ways to go about it. i would like to see her face(and her body) be fully or partially covered. i LOVE eve and she is my main jg(which is my main role), but her current visuals are just plain stupid like MY GOD who came up with her outfit lol something much more serious assassin/thief like thishttp://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1426927091387/image.jpg style fits her theme much better. her kit on the other hand is quite a bit harder to rework
DwarvenGiant2 votesI think that Aatrox is much more modern than Eve in a way, so I'm pretty sure there's a base for his story and character and for the Darkin and their history. He'd probably have some part in a future Tryndamere short-story or event/story-arc, and he'll probably get a gameplay update when a 'Diving Fighters' Class Update Project comes around.
Evelynn, on the other hand, is a VERY old champion, who was made at a time where lore was weird for some champs and [visual] design were often quite horrifying, to say the least. :P
RiotReav38 votesCorrect. Aatrox is probably a prime candidate for a smaller roster project. Eve on the other hand probably needs a full VGU, though much like Gangplank we most likely wouldn't need to overhaul her enitre kit, just modernize it a bit.
DwarvenGiant1 votesYup, that's what I thought.
Holy moly, there are so many good candidates for classes to pick for a Roster Project after you've done with the Immobile Mages. I can't wait to see Traditional Tanks, Assassins and Diving Fighters getting their turn for a Roster Project, but it seems like it's gonna take so much time until we actually get there. :P Do you have any [rough] estimation as for the pace of Roster Projects releases (How many a year?). I mean, I'm simply wondering, do you think we would get more than two a year?
RiotReav36 votesCurrent thought is 1 "Mid-Year" and a 2nd one for the next Pre-Season.
Marksmen and Juggernauts were both done in roughly 4 months and we felt that wasn't enough time to get the quality we want from the roster projects so we are looking at 6 month windows now. It's funny you mention those 3 as those are probably the three we would be talking about for the next roster project. There are a lot of champions in those 3 groups that are very similar to one another.
Nagoh Shan2 votesConsidering the group updates are being done to give each champ a clear reason and identity to be picked, why is Viktor getting his clear reason for being picked, nerfed?
Mage damage with waveclear. With the waveclear cut, he loses his main draw. Not to mention his damage as a mage is hit as well.
Could you possibly explain this one, or push someone else to explain it, because there are just many reasons it doesn't make sense.
Desiderium1 votesThe PBE nerfs have absolutely nothing to do with his pending rework.
Nagoh Shan2 votesViktor is not one of the mages being reworked. He was already different, and had specific reasons to be picked.
One of which is being nerfed, and when he's at a point where he's not overly strong. He's just kind of there.
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nagoh Shan,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MIZaiArY,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-13T01:36:36.257+0000)
Considering the group updates are being done to give each champ a clear reason and identity to be picked, why is Viktor getting his clear reason for being picked, nerfed?
Mage damage with waveclear. With the waveclear cut, he loses his main draw. Not to mention his damage as a mage is hit as well.
Could you possibly explain this one, or push someone else to explain it, because there are just many reasons it doesn't make sense.
His E isn't a unique reason to be picked. His E being the best ability of its kind is a reason to be picked but that's not design, that's just a coincidence of balance.
The point of the roster updates is to give champions within classes reasons to be picked beyond "Has the best numbers". Viktor's E having the best numbers isn't a niche and it's not something worth preserving.
Jeddy0171 votesAlso,having the Mage update around June gives you guys plenty of time to balance it out before Worlds.As funny as it could be,I don't think people would like 
being near 100% picked/banned.
CoffeeDave1 votesHey can 
get a VU? her kit is fine but her model looks old and doesn't look right compared to the newer models. Even with the new skin it looks off.
EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votesCurrent thought is 1 "Mid-Year" and a 2nd one for the next Pre-Season.
Marksmen and Juggernauts were both done in roughly 4 months and we felt that wasn't enough time to get the quality we want from the roster projects so we are looking at 6 month windows now. It's funny you mention those 3 as those are probably the three we would be talking about for the next roster project. There are a lot of champions in those 3 groups that are very similar to one another.
Really? I thought the marksman update was extremely on point on pretty much all fronts
InHaruhiWeTrust6 votesi really don't want you guys to be afraid to overhaul her kit. i just want her to have a stealth thief/assassin feel that her current kit doesn't provide. her current kit condemns her to a tanky bruiser which i don't think fits her character at all. just pls give her a GP VO rework rather than a Poppy VO rework. i love the new poppy kit but she is in no way the same character.
RiotReav36 votesIt will of course depend on when we get to her, and what her kit looks like at that point in time. Once we start work on her a designer would assess the kit and decide what needs to stay, what needs to go, and what just needs to be modified a bit. Poppy kept her E, while GP kept most of his kit, though he Ult was a modified version of his live ult.
I do think Stealth Assassin can be a amazing fantasy if executed on correctly and look forward to the day we tackle her!
InHaruhiWeTrust3 votespls give her more clothes pretty please [zombie-nunu-tears]
Melledoneus4 votesWhy don't we make Shen a pirate while we're at it?
Yarr, for me balance, matey!
InHaruhiWeTrust2 voteswhat does her having a shitty outfit have to do with balance? its just a visual thing....
Melledoneus3 votesWelcome to the League of Legends, where cosmic trumpet-speaking balloon men and she-hulks wielidng the power of tentacle gods walk around as if it's normal.
...and you're wound up over the succubus having too little clothes.
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votesshe's not a succubus.... you would know this if you actually played her... which you don't and neither does anyone else who is down voting me....
Baron Von Bangin1 votesNo one knows what she is but the most popular speculation makes her out to be some kind of vampire-esque creature and a succubus isn't too far off that mark.
InHaruhiWeTrust3 votesthat's all theory and means nothing. just like the story of kindred being a man that split himself in two. riot had no plans for her when they made just like all champs from that time. the only thing that riot confirmed is that she is from the shadow isles, but even that isn't certain anymore with all the lore changes. and even if she was vampire(which she isn't), a vampire is not a succubus i really don't know where you guys are getting this from... honest question though. why are you getting so pissy about a champ that you don't even play? it shows from what you "think" she is that you don't play or understand what type of character she is so i'm honestly curious. like do you have an S&M fetish and really want a champ to fulfill that for you or what?
Baron Von Bangin1 votesI'm not getting pissy about anything? I'm just trying to explain to you why fan have those theories.
"Some theorize that she was cursed with a mild form of fantastical vampirism as a child." That line in her lore is the reason people speculate some kind of vampiric creature (i.e. a being that drains the life essence of their victim) and vampires and succubi (and incubi for that matter) all do that. I personally don't have strong feelings one way or the other but I figured you needed a bit of explaining since you were getting so overly defensive ;3
InHaruhiWeTrust3 votesfirst off let me apologize i was a little pissy yesterday because of some things in my personal life and took it too far in my comments.
what i am saying about the vampire thing is that it doesn't have anything to do with her actual character. this is all speculation from people in runtera about what she is, but it in no way can be taken as accurate. this is the equivalent of "Dracula" who was based off a real life person named Vladimir (not to be confused with 
) who was said to be a vampire or demon do his cruelty. this is of course not true. the same thing happened to other people and things such as Benjamin martin in the patriot was thought to be a ghost by the British troops. this also happened to other champs in league such as and 
as well as others if i'm not mistaken. these claims have no really meaning to their receptive characters that they are trying to describe, as they are the images that their enemies gave them in order to try and rationalize their fear. in case he was both a god of death and a savior angel depending on what side of the battle the person was on. being born from "death" splitting himself in two is just a myth that caught on over time.
Baron Von Bangin2 votesShe takes up a certain niche not occupied by other champions visually. Why push her from her niche to make her more generic or something she's not? Just make a new champ if you want to do that.
InHaruhiWeTrust2 voteswhat are you trying to say her niche is? all champs looked terrible back when she was made and they all got updated to look better. i mean i'm not saying you have to play a champ to have a say, but all of you who are trying to tell me(an evelynn main) what she is "supposed" to be don't actually play her. she is not a succubus period. nowhere in her lore does it say she is anything but an assassin. her VO implies that she likes killing people and hurting them. so we have female how likes hurting people. what is the most cliche embodiment of those two traits? a dominatrix..... so they dressed her in a dominatrix costume rather than something actually unique, because that was there design philosophy back then.
Baron Von Bangin2 votesYou can still do "sexy dominatrix" in a unique way. You don't need to throw clothes at her just for the sake of covering her up.
I feel her most important visual factors would be, inhuman skin and dominatrix themed. I personally like her hair a lot (those sideburn things are cool) and it would be easy enough to modernize it but still keep the feel of the original due.
InHaruhiWeTrust3 votes"for the sake of covering her up"? there is not reason for her not to be covered up. her outfit has nothing to do with her character. it's only like it is because riot was terrible at making characters back then. you want her to be practically naked for the sake of not wearing clothes(aka your own fetish). this is getting ridiculous at this point. just go watch some dominatrix porn and jack off all you want instead of trying to mess with a champ you don't even play...
InHaruhiWeTrust5 votesotherworldly dominatrix is not her true design i can see how someone who doesn't play her would think that based solely on appearance, but its not the case. eve was just a victim of poor design and lack of creativity that didn't exist in lol at the time of her creation. also, i am a fan of eve in fact i'm the biggest fan of eve here by a long shot. just like i was also a fan of old poppy, but still really liked her update except that they changed her from a rough no nonsense fighter to an overly naive hero.
i don't want to cover her up for the sake of covering her up. it's just her being half naked in a dominatrix outfit doesn't fit her character which is "the greatest/most deadly assassin in the world". if she used her sexuality like 
(who is an actual succubus), old 
or 
then it would make sense for her to show a lot of skin to lure men or catch them off guard. but no one she kills even sees her before she kills them. she is a really cool character with a ton of potential and riot making her outfit was purely for fan service and no other reason. i'm not saying fan service is wrong all the time but when it takes away from the character then it is. this is exactly what happened to 
, her old design she was wearing a freaking bikini!! like what!? a badass all in warrior that fights in the coldest place on earth is wearing a bikini? this was stupid and made no sense other than to give people a boner(which again isn't always a bad thing, but in this case it takes away from her character). So, the reworked her and gave her a badass set of furry armor that really adds her character and theme. eve right now is old sejuani
old sejuani: http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Sejuani_3.jpg
new sejuani: http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Sejuani_0.jpg
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She takes up a certain niche not occupied by other champions visually. Why push her from her niche to make her more generic or something she's not? Just make a new champ if you want to do that.
IMO there's nothing wrong with Eve's niche, but she sucks at filling it. She can do "almost naked crazy succubus" a lot better than she currently is. She's supposed to be seductive but she always looks more like she's trying and failing to be sexy than anything else.
Baron Von Bangin1 votesVery true. Which is why covering her up would be a silly idea when Riot could double down and really make her fill out that "dominatrix" archetype even better.
Abyssphere2 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Von Bangin,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MIZaiArY,comment-id=000400000000000000010000000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2016-02-14T07:29:26.704+0000)
Very true. Which is why covering her up would be a silly idea when Riot could double down and really make her fill out that "dominatrix" archetype even better.
I absolutely agree. I wouldn't say no to Eve showing a bit less skin as long as it was done with reason (i.e. it's conceivable that she'd be more convincingly sexy with a bit more on), but it'd be a damn shame if she ended up in an outfit similar to Elise or Syndra where they're kinda slutty but not really.
Evelynn needs to be the most sexual champion in League, as long as she's really creepy and threatening at the same time. She just needs to be that while... not being ridiculous.
ADepressedLeona13 votesIt will of course depend on when we get to her, and what her kit looks like at that point in time. Once we start work on her a designer would assess the kit and decide what needs to stay, what needs to go, and what just needs to be modified a bit. Poppy kept her E, while GP kept most of his kit, though he Ult was a modified version of his live ult.
I do think Stealth Assassin can be a amazing fantasy if executed on correctly and look forward** to the day we tackle her! **
See you guys in 2050 I guess
GreenLore3 votesI think the basic idea behind Eves kit is great and all,I mean Eve is pretty much THE stealth champion of the game.
However the rest feels kind of a mixed bag to me,I mean she is supposed to be an assasin,yet her Q is better for sustained damage,her E feels more like something you'd want on an AD champ and her R is an engaging tool. None of that really synergize well with her ap-assassin-playstyle...
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votesmy thoughts exactly but i think it's gonna be really hard to create a true assassin kit on a champ with perma stealth. i really hope they can do it though. i've been trying to think of ideas for her myself but she is REALLY hard to make a kit for than isn't broken OP lol
Mirage Night1 votesWould love to see if she can have a non permanent, but her passive using stealth. Something that plays to the Playful tease before the kill idea. "your pain is my pleasure" kind of idea. Also a combat oriented stealth rather than a initiation style.
Something along the lines of Kaziks ability.
Passive: Shadows Embrace
_After breaking vision with enemy champion(s) for .XX seconds Evelynn gains stealth for X seconds. _ Here Basic Abilities Gain bonuses while she is in stealth
StigtriX1 votes[Agony's Embrace] Creates a dark veil around Evelynn, instantly making her invisible for 0.5-2 seconds, even to nearby enemies.
[Agony's Embrace --> Hate Spike] could lead to the current effect of Agony's Embrace.
[Agony's Embrace --> Dark Frenzy] Evelynn attacks in rapid succession, dealing more damage with every attack (up to 4 times). Each attack moves her in target direction and must be timed to let her continue attacking.
Braum: "Now THIS is fun!" Yes! Make it feel a lot different from Riven's combo, and do not let Evelynn move over walls with it. Add unique and interesting animations to the ability icon for the different attacks.
Digielf1 votesCorrect. Aatrox is probably a prime candidate for a smaller roster project. Eve on the other hand probably needs a full VGU, though much like Gangplank we most likely wouldn't need to overhaul her enitre kit, just modernize it a bit.
Aatrox doesnt need any visual update, he came AFTER lulu so he used the new updated system already, gameplay updates maybe but visual update never
Digielf1 votesyeah she seems to be in the same boat as
I can't tell if you are serious , you realize Aatrox was created in 2013, which was 1 year AFTER lulu 
right? The champions who get visual updates are those from Lulu and before her (march 2012), all of those after her already used the new updated system starting from Hecarim
Aatrox will never get a visual update, maybe gameplay changes but VU no
InHaruhiWeTrust1 votesim talking about gameplay for aatrox. he does't have an identity other than "darkin"(which pretty much doesn't mean anything) so nothing you can pull from to create a kit other than his visuals and "guy with sword" isn't a lot to go off of.
Digielf1 votesim talking about gameplay for aatrox. he does't have an identity other than "darkin"(which pretty much doesn't mean anything) so nothing you can pull from to create a kit other than his visuals and "guy with sword" isn't a lot to go off of.
ah kk i thought you meant visual update
GreenLore1 votesWell lore wise aatrox has this whole "jumps into the fight and causes his allies to go into a bloodrage"-thing,but that is rather poorly done in his kit.
They could give him abilities that heal him if an enemy gets killed(thus adding to the whole "lives for carnage in a war") and that gives his teammates a buff.
InHaruhiWeTrust1 votesyeah i totally forgot about that. it's not done at all in his kit. we will see if that part of his lore sticks around but if it does then having a buff aura would fit his theme really well
edit: i think this could be worked into a really cool ult. his current ult is really lame and too many champs already have the same thing 
. like what if he build up "inspiration" instead of blood and his ult gave him better auras based on how much inspiration he had built up?
GreenLore2 votesWell the champup team has limited resources and they chose to make 
and 
(and most likely 
) higher priorities given that they are in an arguably worse situation than evelynn(yorick hasn't been in the free rotation since season 2,simply because riot dislikes him that much)
GenoXx2 votesI feel for yorick to Secretlore. But they also had Eve on that same boat, but instead decided to just give her some visual tweaks and a cheap skin and call it a day.... It makes me think that they will never get to her.
YuGiHo2 votesYassssssss BITCH!
Headbiter2 votesNew Project for Riot: Give new champs a break for a while and bring all the existing ones into the present. I would love for i.e. Jax to actually feel like a master of all weaponry....rather than a lumberjack with some unexplained and obviously uncontrollable magic powers.
