Ascended, Vastaya, and Targon

Chromatic Eagle·Apr 28, 2017·4 votes·1,235 views

For the most part, I'm just throwing up my thoughts here, so I don't entirely expect people to follow what I'm saying.

Which came first, Ascended or Vastaya? We have the Void War which sent people to Ionia, which makes me think of Icatha and I believe ascension should be around that time. But I could also see ascension having started because of the vastaya.

Reading Nami's lore, if the moon aspect created moonstones, perhaps the sun aspect had something to do with the sun disk?

Who's stronger in general: Ascended or Vastaya?

22 Comments

FasmodeyApr 28, 20176 votes

Zed almost has killed Xayah, a human. Nasus would make Zed his bitch.

SharjoApr 28, 20171 votes

As would Renekton, and Azir, and don't even get me started on Xerath. There would be no Order of Shadows left after that!

Chromatic EagleApr 28, 20171 votes

Now that I think about it, vastaya so far have a poor track record against humans, despite being hyped as stronger.

6FlagsFunnelCakeApr 28, 20172 votes

I don't see it as they are 'stronger.' The plus sides to being human is your technology, how many of you there are as well as the addition of human mages existing.

With Vastaya, they're all more innately magical with more extroardinary abilities, but they're dying out as entire tribes are literally just disappearing. Vastaya are also simply an offshoot of humans, and just as mortal as them (except for the fact that they age much slower due to the magics)

SharjoApr 28, 20171 votes

I don't think anything ever suggested the vastaya were stronger, just that they were more magical and longer lived. They live in different ways, but as a group they're on the same playing field as humans and yordles, just with some things they're better at.

Chromatic EagleApr 28, 20171 votes

I mean stronger than humans.

Beyond LegendsApr 28, 20171 votes

Well considering vastaya are in a sense part human looking at their evolutionary tree. Their technically decendent of human that lived with magic faries too long.

Human too me seems to have more option to gain alot of power plus we have numbers. So I'd say that humanity can easily destroy all of vastayan if they put the effort to doing so.

KuroCaliberApr 28, 20172 votes

Ascended, Vastaya aren't demigods. they can use magic, but not to an ascended's extent. However, as Vastaya are so broad a group, there may be some outliers who are stronger than ascended but NOT because they are vastaya, but because they are themselves.

Chromatic EagleApr 28, 20171 votes

Well how do we define a demigod in Runeterra? Vastaya are long lived with some rumored to be immortal. Ascended might be powerful, and hard to kill, but with a definite life span.

FasmodeyApr 29, 20171 votes

Even Aurelion Sol call them demigod.

Variks the LoyalApr 28, 20172 votes

Ascended are demigods imbued with power. Even Aurelion Sol comments, albeit sarcastically and dismissively, that they're on the right track when it comes to the greatest power.

Wrathof300Apr 28, 20172 votes

The Aspects of Targon, they also fall into the 'Ascended' category but imo, they are of a completely different design, the Shuriman Ascendants gained their power from harnessed 'Celestial energy' in the Sun Disk. Whereas the Targonians enslaved Aurelion Sol and gained access to the cosmos and whatever celestial energy was there for the taking and thus the Aspects should be stronger than the Ascendants. Like you said it is likely the Sun disk was connected to the Sun Aspect at one point. That being said, the ascended are demi-gods and are the most powerful** human champions** in the game and hence would also out rank the Vastayan champions Nami may or may not be on their level.

Nasus Renekton Rammus Azir Xerath from Shurima, Pantheon (although he is much less humans than the rest) Leona Diana Taric from Targon and I would even rank Ivern here. Whenever we see a Void update we may get a better grasp to the void-influenced humans' power Kassadin Malzahar (I speculate that Jax and DrMundo are also void related/influenced humans).

ABlueQuakerApr 29, 20171 votes

I feel like Jax would be more closely tied to the Darkin if they ever revamped him visually and/or lore-wise.

EDIT: Remember this?

http://cdn.leagueoflegends.com/game-info/1.0.15/images/champion/backdrop/bg-jax.jpg

GreenLoreApr 29, 20172 votes

His short story actually confirms that he is from Icathia,the place where most void creatures are coming from.

Wrathof300Apr 29, 20171 votes

Icathia throws in the possibility of relation to the void, which at this point is a more 'realistic' theory, since we know so little on the darkin.

SharjoApr 28, 20171 votes

I'd say vastaya probably came first.

Chromatic EagleApr 28, 20171 votes

We need a timeline.

SharjoApr 28, 20171 votes

Indeed, one that's way better than my hap-hazard attempt at one.

SolarisCorvusApr 29, 20171 votes

I feel that acension is just a less refined version of becoming an aspect. In that Shurimans take a small portion of their power from Aurelions Sols power that is imbued into the sun. Kinda making them into smaller vessels of Aurelions power. While aspects are granted less power but they dont require a complex ritual that may or kay not fuck up.

GreenLoreApr 29, 20171 votes

Uhm aspects don't get power from Sol. The aspects were the ones who enslaved Aurelion,they were aspects already before they met him.

SolarisCorvusApr 29, 20171 votes

Damn wrong Name. When i said aspect i meant like leona, diana, taric and panth not the ones they get their powers from.

mr Boombastic787May 1, 20171 votes

I would argue that ascention came first, but that is only out of pure guessing. The ascention ritual came shortly after the runewars wich is very, very early in Runeterras history. While I would think that people would have discovered Ionia Before the runewars but the compination of the Vastayasharay (or whatever they are called) and human races got combined to the Vastaya. Not sure ofcourse though because Riot have not given any confirmation or timestamps