Anyone else sill frustrated with Leona's origin changes?

Mirage Night··10 votes·1,575 views

Frankly, it feels like the pushed through a half-assed project and then dropped it like a bad habit. There has been no follow up stories or real explanation for the degree of her personalty twisting we saw. Is it me, or does it feel like they want us to forget it. Honestly, the whole issue with Victor that recently cropped up just reminds my of the issues I have with the Leona update.

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I want to add some context using quotes from her old lore that were what I really liked about Leona when she came out

"Leona's parents were traditional Rakkorans, both bred for the heat of battle. To them, Leona was a problem child. She was capable of fighting as fiercely as any other - including her childhood friend, Pantheon - but she did not share their zeal for killing. She believed that the true worth of a soldier lay in her ability to defend and protect."

"When it came time for her Rite of Kor, a ceremony in which two Rakkoran teens battle to the death for the right to bear a relic-weapon, Leona refused to fight"

These two instance really stood out to me of her own character being that of not just a ruthless savage individual, but someone who believed that fighting was not always the best approach.

As for her new lore. She contains none of this.

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OurLestrade8 votes

I'm still not fond of the shift of Diana from a tragic villain who was pushed too far to another misunderstood good guy. The main Targon trio in general didn't come off the lore rework machine too well.

Mirage Night3 votes

I have to agree. Something about the whole thing just is off. I am not fond of it at all.

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

Was she a tragic villain in the old lore? There was barely anything in that, and I think people latched on that one fan comic as canon.

Placentas4 votes

^ This so much. The old lore was bare bones & so many people attached their own stories and views on champions that really aren't there.

Ralanr2 votes

On one hand it lead to great fan works. On the other it lead to a lot of angst.

Lanceworks3 votes

The thing is, people in general don't want actual good lore, they just want "cool" lore where their favorite character is portrayed as awesome. The vast majority of the backlash towards the new lore is just this.

Ralanr4 votes

"No follow up"

I can't really expect a follow up story until the rest of the groundwork is laid out for the world.

Mirage Night1 votes

The ground work for targon is already down. Yet we were left eith completely half assed origins

Ralanr2 votes

Need groundwork for more than just Targon.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

I'll just chime in I truly hate the new Targon lore.

Except, Taric. I'll admit his is actually pretty good. It unfortunately requires the others to function so it ultimately isn't worth it to me.

50000000000000002 votes

What do you mean? I thought it was pretty clearly explained that a celestial being took over her body/merged with her. Also, the nice Leona we knew was never actually canon. It was just the community building up her character because of the lack of lore.

Mirage Night5 votes

There were 2 instance in her old lore the much of the community felt represented her as a "Nice Person"

"Leona's parents were traditional Rakkorans, both bred for the heat of battle. To them, Leona was a problem child. She was capable of fighting as fiercely as any other - including her childhood friend, Pantheon - but she did not share their zeal for killing. She believed that the true worth of a soldier lay in her ability to defend and protect."

Also

"When it came time for her Rite of Kor, a ceremony in which two Rakkoran teens battle to the death for the right to bear a relic-weapon, Leona refused to fight"

In these cases, she was not following her families traditions blindly until she suddenly stopped. No, she was like this well before her joining with the Solari.

She felt always she needed to be able to defend an protect. Rather than being a killing machine

Her quotes also hold true

"I will protect you."

Honestly. Yes her old lore was not a fleshed out. But there was enough to give most of the community a very similar understanding of her character. This change take her in a completely different direction.

LordHippoman4 votes

Yeah, that's all true, but keep in mind that's young Leona. That's Leona before she spent probably most of her life with the crazy genocidal sun cult.

She probably very much thought killing the heretics was "good" and "protecting", because when your morals get taught by the same people who tried to execute someone on the spot for being like "hey the moon's cool", they get a little warped.

Mirage Night3 votes

But thats not even correct in her new lore. Leona now is a killer all the through from her birth to when she merged with the celevtail being. Unlike before. She has no problem killing anyone. Even before joining the solari.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Well a few things about that.

  1. The "Leona is legitimately a good person" was backed up by the entirety of her old lore, and the creator, Iron Stylus's comments. It was a fun little story about 2 people, one a legitimately good person who was on the wrong side, and the other a tragic and overaggressive villain who was indisputably on the right side. With the potential future of Targon in the balance between the two.

  2. The problem with new!Leona's lore is that we have Leona spend her entire life with oppressive people stifling her inherent ideals. The thing is, the Rakkor did that. They told her to kill any monster she saw. But, she didn't. Her morals meant that she was going to risk dying in order to save an innocent. That was the culture and mentality she was forced to endure since she was born. And, she was rewarded for this mentality, given a position of prominence among the Solari. Then, time passes, and we suddenly see her being put in the same situation where an innocent life is in the balance and Leona is daydreaming about murdering her. They run parallel but have Leona fail. But, the thing is, there is no build up at all to this complete change in Leona's character from the first half of her story. She just completely pulls a 180 so the story can result in the way the writers want it to end. That's sloppy writing. But furthermore it was unnecessary sloppy writing. You know what would have worked better, preserving Leona's character and creating the necessary conflict for the resolution? Have Leona being ordered to kill Diana, have Leona hesitate, and as a result of her hesitation Diana kills the Elders and escapes.

Done! Leona remains the good person, it better fits with her old personality in the old lore and previously in her current lore. It adds a note of tragedy to Leona. Gives her a legitimate reason for the hunt to capture Diana. Adds a load of inner character drama and self-doubt, which was touched upon in her earlier Judgment.

The other thing, is the implication that people born and raised in a certain way will always act out in predictable ways. Which is not completely untrue, but there are always exceptions. For example, just look at the Crusades. I mean on the whole the crusaders were pretty much barbaric violent and monstrous. But even among them, where they were raised to believe that killing the heretics was right and proper (and would even reward them with a free pass to heaven) we see heroes. We get people like Tancred who tried to save the muslims living in Jerusalem. Or the priests who died trying to defend the jews and muslims living in their towns from the rampaging mob. Hell, there is an example of an unnamed Templar (legitimate he was a templar, the guys who vowed their lives to fighting the muslims and violently spreading the word of the Catholic church) who fought off his own people to save the lives of innocents. These people are heroes, these are the legends that make up the modern interpretation of the paladin. These are the people Leona was originally meant to be an in-game reflection of.

But instead of looking like the noble Tancred, she just comes across as Arnaud Amalric, a violent warmonger willing to kill the innocent for his beliefs.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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Was she daydreaming of Killing Diana because she REALLY wanted to? Or was it because she knew what the elders would ask for her. She does not believe in what Diana said and felt insulted, but she probably wouldn't outright murder her for it if she had her own choice. She carry out the will of the elders, and she knew what the elders would ask of her. That's exactly why she was thinking of it.

Her "BITCH YOU WILL TASTE THE SUN!" came after the elders were killed. At that point, he thought of having to kill her was already there. Then on top of that, Diana killed the people who she dedicated herself to. Her murderous side was her sense of rage and fury for what Diana has done (who is also considered a heretic). As of that moment, she had every reason to want to off Diana's head. When she gained the aspect, she understood what Diana was trying to say. There is a threat greater than her or all of Targon. Does she fully forgive Diana for killing the Elders. Probably not. Wouldn't have to. She understands now, and she is a protector. Vengeance can come later (if she still even seeks it).

Also, in Leona's color text, it was mentioned that she would have easily let the marauders go if it wasn't for one thing. She knew they would return. If they were one time thieves, she was probably backhand them and tell them to go, but they aren't. So, unfortunately, they had to taste the power of the sun.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Was she daydreaming of Killing Diana because she REALLY wanted to? Or was it because she knew what the elders would ask for her. She does not believe in what Diana said and felt insulted, but she probably wouldn't outright murder her for it if she had her own choice. She carry out the will of the elders, and she knew what the elders would ask of her. That's exactly why she was thinking of it.

You can't just make up your own interpretations, unless you want to write your own fanfic. Which, then, sure go for it.

Leona brought Diana in under armed guard, for her warrior instinct sensed something awry in the girl's demeanor. Presented to the elders, Diana spoke of the Lunari, an ancient and proscribed faith that venerated the moon, and how all the truths the Solari clung to were incomplete. She described a realm beyond the mountaintop, a place where the sun and moon were not enemies, where new truths could show them fresh ways to look at the world. Leona felt her anger build with every word Diana spoke, and when the elders rejected her words and named her a blasphemer, Leona knew it would be her blade that ended the heretic's life.

That's what we have to work with. In this passage there is nothing that transposes the anger building up in her to the elders as opposed to her own desires. Her "bitch you will taste the sun" moment comes before the elders are killed.

I agree that having it after would make more sense. In fact, I like your interpretation better than what Riot actually wrote.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

I might be missing something, but does Leona know why Diana killed off the elders? Did she know that Diana was going to be executed for preaching the moon, which she doesn't know the truth about?

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Old lore or new? Old lore ended before any reveal about a meeting between the two.

New lore Leona was in the room when it happened and heard Diana's message.

Beyond Legends1 votes

You mean works of fiction that has been contorted to more fiction? I doubt Tancred was the holy than thou hero most historical figure rarely are. I mean sure maybe he “save” some civilian on getting slaughter by giving them his flag but they were slaughter in the end still. Also I doubt Tancred did those heroic feats you claimed

As for the other example, the fact that they were unnamed shows how people view them at that time. I mean unless we examine the context of those event sounds fishy to me at best.

Beside you forget Leona was suppose to be the prophecized child of destiny according to the Solari. She was bombarded with religious teaching and training to fit her into the mold. She might be able to reject the Rakkor teaching as an child, but I doubt the religious teaching of the solari didn't mess with her mind as she grew older.

Also you forget why Diana did was pretty much praise about Satan in middle of bunch of highly religious catholic. I'm sorry but even the saintliest of saint would have some time to swallow that pill especially those who are extremely devoted to their beliefs. I mean it's not that hard to believe that she might have tiny bit bloodthirsty on the very least beating the crap outta diana? Also this isn't day dreaming about murder, this is simply an extreme form of anger. It's not hard for Leona to assume that she would be the one to kill Diana since she is the Solari champion after all.

Also Diana was far from innocent in Leona eyes. Leona only met the girl once and all her information regarding her was the complaints by other people about her. It's not like Diana was obviouly helpless like the creature that Leona saved . She in her eyes was pletty guilty, so to assume in the heat of the moment that Leona may have thoughta of murder is not unlikely

As for Ironstylus he was just an artist at Riot, I mean sure he was reponsible for the art asset but that doesn't mean he was responsible for Leona entirelly. He can have his headcanon on what he want's to see but at the end of the day it's still Riot character.

You charatization of Leona as an warmonger is un founded There text to suggest that ths Solari activetly hunts heritics. They didn't toture Diana and allowed her to speak in the temple before deouncing her. It shows nothing of the steriotyple inquister warmonger.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Defending and protecting doesn't mean she's a pacifist, she just isn't as blood thirsty. As for her current lore, why shouldn't she be upset at what appeared to be a lunatic praising the moon killing her elders?

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

More why would she be planning to kill someone just for talking in front of her before anyone else was even hurt.

Mirage Night2 votes

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More why would she be planning to kill someone just for talking in front of her before anyone else was even hurt.

I have to agree with this

Stars Shaper2 votes

Targon needs a part 2 and we know that. To me it was a lot better than the first chapter of Shurima and I liked most of it.

I understand how ppl who invested in the "old" Leona find themselves lost about this new one (I was a Xerath main), but I also think that you should wait with your judgement because the change of the core of targon stories is pretty heavy and cannot be explained completely in a single chapter.

Keep your feedback up, that's never a bad thing.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

But at what point do we get to say "This whole direction your taking things runs directly counter to what invested me in the characters in the first place?" Because that is exactly how I feel after what was done to the main Targon trio to make room for the space empire and the war with the "Star Shaper" himself.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Funny thing, we don't know yet which of the Aspects are opposing Aurelion Sol (except that brick of Pantheon, fortunally it has been hinted that Atreus is going to pop up in the future) nor how they feel about themselves. The current arc was more about "Let us tell you what happened" and had not much of character development.

About your remark, it depends on what was that hooked you t the character. A rework is a rework and some aspects (no pun intended) and facets of a character might change or even disappear. The idea is to keep the core of the character (Leona is still a protector, but as king Varyan says... some times you have to fight for peace) and make it more "believable", with their flaws and their strenghts.

Mirage Night1 votes

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Funny thing, we don't know yet which of the Aspects are opposing Aurelion Sol (except that brick of Pantheon, fortunally it has been hinted that Atreus is going to pop up in the future) nor how they feel about themselves. The current arc was more about "Let us tell you what happened" and had not much of character development.

About your remark, it depends on what was that hooked you t the character. A rework is a rework and some aspects (no pun intended) and facets of a character might change or even disappear. The idea is to keep the core of the character (Leona is still a protector, but as king Varyan says... some times you have to fight for peace) and make it more "believable", with their flaws and their strenghts.

I still don't have to like this version. Unlike the some the other champions, this one didn't need the change. It feels like a trundle situation to me.

Stars Shaper1 votes

I know what you talk about, I lived it with Xerath.

Leona changed in the sense that she wasn't a problematic child that just wanted to defend ppl ala "all boys manga protagonists". She found the way of the protector via a maturation that she is still undergoing. She was never a zealous killer but she was a fervent believer of the Solari way until she met Diana and shared the memories of the Aspect.

That's why I say that targon needs a chapter 2, there is space for a lot of things.

Mirage Night1 votes

Well As much as I want to believe in them providing us this. i doubt it will be soon enough. They have taken on a monumental task in updating everything. And if there are issues they certainly wont be addressed in what I think is acceptable timeframe. Patience is seriously wearing thin.

Stars Shaper1 votes

I think that we cannot expect anything sooner than new Autumn since we have still Ionia, Demacia and Noxus (probably the next one seeing all the Noxian involved in the recent stories) to address. The time frame should be close to the time span between Shurima 1 and 2.

GreenLore1 votes

Well how many stories did get a follow up so far? Usually stories only get one if there is some sort of event and since there was no targon event since their lore updates,there was no follow up either.

I mean you could also argue that there is no follow up to the lores of Amumu Elise Skarner Yorick Maokai Renekton ,etc.

Also what do you mean that we don't know about her personality twisting? Its pretty clear in her lore,that she grew a bit zealous during her time with the solari(being ready to kill diana and all) and when she merged with the aspect of targon she received new information that changed her opinion on that matter. We don't know what these information are,but we know that they are the reason for her change of heart.

Mirage Night2 votes

So rsther than she having her own firm morals like in her old lore. She has to get them from a celestial paracite. Great. Thats just wonerful.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Stop comparing them. It is a clean slate compared to her old lore.

There is nothing wrong with her getting enlightened from a Celestial, and the only one of them that could possibly count as a "parisite" is the Aspect of War that is now Pantheon.

Every other Aspect still has their mind and body, just more powerful.

She has morals, that's why she helped the glowing boy on the mountain, which is why she was chosen to be the Aspect of the Sun in the first place.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Well first, no. It's not a clean slate. These things have to be compared to the original because that is the character that many people originally enjoyed and wanted to see continue her story. That she was instead scrapped for a new character is exactly why people compare them, often unflatteringly.

Also, yes there is something wrong or at least worse for having the enlightenment come from a space alien that possesses her. From a simple character perspective having her own inner awakening makes her a stronger more dynamic character without forcing a different being to be responsible for her actions and ideologies.

In short we want the story of Leona (and Diana and Atreus/original!Pantheon) not the story of the space cretins that possess people and warp their minds and ideologies to fit their own needs.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

First of all, she isn't a new character. And of course people compare them unflatteringly, becuase they have nostalgic bias towards the old one.

Secondly, you can call the Celestials however you wish, but belittling them to prove a point does not reflect well. It is perfectly fine for the Aspect of the Sun to enlighten her on the truth of the Solari and the Lunari becuase how else would she be enlightened on this new way of looking at things?

Nobody told her, and you don't come up with radical ideas like that on your own, espcially with no evidence to back it up and no reason to think that after getting raised and indoctrinated in the Solari's beliefs.

Thirdly, again she does have morals and is responsible for her own descisions. Helping that glowing boy on the mountain? Her. Not killing her sparring partner before being taken by the Solari? Her.

Her fury towards Diana was a righteous fury, she killed her elders and she wanted vengeance. It wasn't until the Sun Aspect told her the whole story did she know the truth. She wants to find Diana so that she can help Diana rebuild the Lunari as they and the Solari were meant to coexist.

She's still a nice person, and you can't disregard that just becuase "OMG space parisite destroys Leona."

I read the entirety of the new lore and understand what the writers were going for, did you?

Or did you just throw everything out after reading the part about the aspects?

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

First of all, she isn't a new character. And of course people compare them unflatteringly, becuase they have nostalgic bias towards the old one.

No. Not always anyway. You can't just dismiss criticize by handwaving it as just nostalgia. The works are still right there on the internet to compare. And of the two, new lore is much better written. Old lore was more interesting, or at least allowed for something I found to be more interesting.

Secondly, you can call the Celestials however you wish, but belittling them to prove a point does not reflect well. It is perfectly fine for the Aspect of the Sun to enlighten her on the truth of the Solari and the Lunari becuase how else would she be enlightened on this new way of looking at things?

By developing based on her own actions and experiences instead of having enlightenment thrust upon her. In the first way, she is a dynamic character that can grow. In the other she is a vessel for change based on the whims of an unknown entity.

Thirdly, again she does have morals and is responsible for her own descisions. Helping that glowing boy on the mountain? Her. Not killing her sparring partner before being taken by the Solari? Her.

Yes that was her establishing character moment in the early part of her lore. Then we get a time-skip and her personality changes with little explanation.

THer fury towards Diana was a righteous fury, she killed her elders and she wanted vengeance. It wasn't until the Sun Aspect told her the whole story did she know the truth. She wants to find Diana so that she can help Diana rebuild the Lunari as they and the Solari were meant to coexist.

No, reread it. She is angry and daydreaming about killing Diana BEFORE Diana killed anybody. That's the point of contention where the new character breaks from the previous incarnation.

She's still a nice person, and you can't disregard that just becuase "OMG space parisite destroys Leona."

I read the entirety of the new lore and understand what the writers were going for, did you?

Or did you just throw everything out after reading the part about the aspects?

I've read the bloody thing multiple times, and have problems with the work before the Aspects even get involved. Leona's character changing to fit the plot. The absolutely atrocious time-line discrepancies between the Leona and Pantheon lores. That's all before the Aspects even get involved.

And yes, I find the Aspects are pretty terrible, and would dislike the lores just for focusing on them without the other problems. But the other problems are still there.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

No. Not always anyway. You can't just dismiss criticize by handwaving it as just nostalgia. The works are still right there on the internet to compare. And of the two, new lore is much better written. Old lore was more interesting, or at least allowed for something I found to be more interesting.

Yeah, I get that. Sorry if I made it seem that way, I was a little heated because this lore was the only Targon lore I have read, and I grew attached to it. Ironically I'm guilty of what I accused you of. It's perfectly fine if you like the old lore better, but don't knock the new lore pls.

By developing based on her own actions and experiences instead of having enlightenment thrust upon her. In the first way, she is a dynamic character that can grow. In the other she is a vessel for change based on the whims of an unknown entity.

She is. She decided to spare the golden boy despite being told to kill all nonhumans on Mount Targon. The extent of what the Aspect of the Sun did was give her some knowledge and give her powers.

Yes that was her establishing character moment in the early part of her lore. Then we get a time-skip and her personality changes with little explanation.

Pretty sure the Solari raising her was explanation enough.

No, reread it. She is angry and daydreaming about killing Diana BEFORE Diana killed anybody. That's the point of contention where the new character breaks from the previous incarnation.

Let's look at some context.

Her name was Diana, a troublemaker well known to Leona from the exasperated woes of the temple elders.

Here is Leona's first knowledge of Diana, already in a negative light thanks to the Solari Elders feeding her knowledge.

She described a realm beyond the mountaintop, a place where the sun and moon were not enemies, where new truths could show them fresh ways to look at the world.

Here Diana completely speaks against what she had been raised to fervently beleive. Therefore she's labeled a heretic.

Leona felt her anger build with every word Diana spoke, and when the elders rejected her words and named her a blasphemer, Leona knew it would be her blade that ended the heretic’s life.

This doesn't look like daydreaming to me. It looks like she knows that the elders are going to tell her to execute her, and after what she heard she has no problem with it.

Leona saw Diana’s incredulous fury at the elders’ denial, but before she could react, the white-haired girl hurled herself forward.

This here is important. It says react, not act. Meaning that she wasn't going to move on Diana unless the elders told her to explicitly. "React" implies that she would have moved to defend the elders but she wasn't given a chance to.

She would hunt down and destroy the heretic Diana for the murder of the Solari elders.

This was her motivation before the Aspect of the Sun showed her the truth. Otherwise she wouldn't have killed Diana without a direct order to do so.

I've read the bloody thing multiple times, and have problems with the work before the Aspects even get involved. Leona's character changing to fit the plot. The absolutely atrocious time-line discrepancies between the Leona and Pantheon lores. That's all before the Aspects even get involved.

He he, bloody. This British bug is spreading.

Okay these seem more like personal issues with the story, and I have no problem with you not liking them. But like I said above, don't knock it pls. Those of us who like the new lore don't knock on the old lore after all.

And yes, I find the Aspects are pretty terrible, and would dislike the lores just for focusing on them without the other problems. But the other problems are still there.

More of a personal opinion, but whatever. No writing is perfect.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Well first of all

Yeah, I get that. Sorry if I made it seem that way, I was a little heated because this lore was the only Targon lore I have read, and I grew attached to it. Ironically I'm guilty of what I accused you of.

This is one of the most mature and self-reflective ways I've seen to continue a debate on these boards. Kudos, my good man. That said, in response to this:

but don't knock the new lore pls.

and

Those of us who like the new lore don't knock on the old lore after all.

Well, I'm gonna. There are plenty of folk who insult the old lore. And I'll insult anything that I feel deserves to be insulted. Which for the record, includes things I like. I've made no attempt to hide my preference for the old lore. But, it had its fair share of stupidity. Like, The Rite of Kor. Which I think may be the single dumbest thing Riot has ever written. It doesn't make sense on a world building level, on a societal level, and instead of making the Rakkor seem like a badass warrior people makes them look like idiots who can't figure out the basics of agricultural and economic realities. It's bad, so, so bad. It makes me wonder how it ever made it past the idea phase.

She is. She decided to spare the golden boy despite being told to kill all nonhumans on Mount Targon. The extent of what the Aspect of the Sun did was give her some knowledge and give her powers.

Which runs against what Rioters have said. The Aspects and their host bodies are on a scale where on one end the Aspect is in complete control (Pantheon) on the other the Aspect just talked with his host and gave him a power buff (Taric). The other two are somewhere between them. Currently, Leona isn't entirely herself, she's herself with a thing attached to her influencing her actions.

Now, I'm going to go with this bit, about how Leona changes over the course of the work:

Pretty sure the Solari raising her was explanation enough.

I don't think that's a good explanation. And here's why. Leona, since she was born was put in a society that emphasized "Kill all X" "Kill all X" where in this case, X is monsters. Despite this being the only society she has ever been raised by, when tasked with doing just that, she broke the standards of that society and didn't kill the monster. This is the establishing character moment for Leona. It demonstrates that her core personality trait is that she keeps her morals despite the society that she has lived in her entire life.

And, she gets rewarded for that. If anything, this action of disagreeing with the establishment allows her to live with the Solari and to be put in charge of the Ra-Horak. If anything, this should double down on her core character trait of mercy and independent mindedness.

But it doesn't. And then suddenly the next time we see her, she's totally cool with acting as an executioner, because someone was talking. That runs completely against the character she previously was. Now, in a full novel you could probably get away with that because you can take the time to write out how the various interactions shaped her to become this new character. But we're given this dramatic shift of personality after 1 paragraph. It makes her entire character feel disjointed. Which doesn't even get to the end, where she suddenly loops back around because some alien possesses her. To what extent, we're not sure, but it's definitely in there. Which makes the character we liked in the old lore only present, because it's not really her anymore. She required a "deity" to come down and force her to change her mentality. Well, if a person is only good because they're forced to because of a far more powerful entity, they're not really good.

And this isn't even getting into how completely strange her attitude toward Diana is. Here's what Targon was established as: It's a Mecca for a bunch of people seeking power. Including the Demacians and Freljordians, who by no means praise the sun. Does Leona want to execute any of them for talking about their religion? If that was the case then Targon wouldn't be much of a Mecca for long. By logic, Leona should have grown accustomed to a bunch of differing religious beliefs. But now, she's the religious executioner.

Anyway:

Leona felt her anger build with every word Diana spoke, and when the elders rejected her words and named her a blasphemer, Leona knew it would be her blade that ended the heretic’s life.

This doesn't look like daydreaming to me. It looks like she knows that the elders are going to tell her to execute her, and after what she heard she has no problem with it.

Yes, not having a problem with it, is exactly the problem I have with her character change.

Leona saw Diana’s incredulous fury at the elders’ denial, but before she could react, the white-haired girl hurled herself forward.

This here is important. It says react, not act. Meaning that she wasn't going to move on Diana unless the elders told her to explicitly. "React" implies that she would have moved to defend the elders but she wasn't given a chance to.

Yes, but what is she reacting to. Because we get from Diana's lore:

When she had finished her tale, the elders immediately denounced her as a heretic, a blasphemer and peddler of false gods. For such a heinous crime, only one punishment could suffice; death.

Leona was reacting to the denunciation of Diana as a blasphemer and therefore someone to be sentenced to death. Therefore, that's her reaction. Before she could react to what the elders were saying, then Diana did her thing. Or, it could be before she could react to try and stop Diana from lashing out. Neither of which imply that Leona wasn't going to go executioner on her ass. Leona was going to kill Diana and she was totally fine with it. Diana ended up killing the elder's before Leona was given the official order, or before Leona could react to Diana's power. Neither of which really make Leona fit anywhere near a morally good character.

Actually, it just makes her look like she's kind of bad at being a guard. (I'm joking here, I doubt she'd have been able to do anything against an Aspect even if she could react fast enough)

But regardless, that's still setting up a pretty repulsive character.

Now from that point, then her motivations make sense and fit. Wanting to kill Diana after she kills the elders? Fine. That makes total sense. If that was the entirety of her murderous intent I would not have a problem with the way Leona was written in the story.

She would hunt down and destroy the heretic Diana for the murder of the Solari elders.

This was her motivation before the Aspect of the Sun showed her the truth. Otherwise she wouldn't have killed Diana without a direct order to do so.

Yes, but she was totally fine with the order. Thought the order was right and justified, and seemed to be actually looking forward to it. That's where I find her character fails. That's why I think her character flops back an forth depending on what the writer wanted to show at any given moment, without providing adequate justification for it. That's why I think as a whole the Leona new background is kind of crap. Better written then the old one, sure. But still pretty bad.

And you're fine to disagree. You may like it. But to a lot of guys who liked the old Leona this was pretty much a slap in the face and saying she couldn't be moral without a strange alien forcing her to be.

Mirage Night2 votes

This here is pretty much how I feel. Just in a more thought out and constructive way.

There is another dynamic that I feel i missing from the new lore is the duality of both Leona and Diana.

In the old lore

They are both problem children of their respective societies. We seen the, as pariahs of the teachings and beliefs of the group they were raised from. Both were to be executed for this. And both were "blessed" with their abilities at the moment of their impending deaths.

But it is their personalities and the way they handled it is what set them apart. Two sides of the same coin. And this is what makes me incredibly upset.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Well you have definitely showed me your issues with the new lore, and I can understand them.

I will agree with you on the notion that Leona's story needed more time and length to flesh out situations more. If it gave us more insight on her development perhaps her personaility shifts would make more sense.

I agree with you about the notion that it feels like the writers changed her personality whenever they needed it too. I believe that if it was made a little longer or in multiple parts they would be able to make it make more sense.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

That's fair. And I understand why you like it. And since I'm pretty sure Riot will not be changing the lore to something I will like, I do hope you continue to like it. That way at least someone I can respect is enjoying themselves.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Well then I'll jist hope that someone I respect will find a lore they like. :)

Cheers.

GreenLore2 votes

She had them before already,I mean she did spare the golden boy,even though her whole culture teached her to kill every inhuman creature that she'll come across.

Also she merely gets new information through the aspect,it doesn't affect her personality,so her being now willing to talk it out with diana is HER decision,not the aspects.

Ralanr1 votes

The only one who got mind controlled was Atreus. But his story isn't over as Meddler puts it.

Unless we get a rework that literally changes the name of the champion, I'm not to sure Atreus will ever be free of the celestial hold or even take decent control of it.

GreenLore1 votes

I kinda feel like Pantheon might be the first champion to die in the lore...simply because he can get a new body and return anyway.

Ralanr1 votes

To be fair, he already has in Sol's lore.

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah,you're right,but then again it wasn't our incarnation of pantheon.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

That would be super cheap. And get rid of the only part of Panth's lore that's likable, Atreus.

ADepressedLeona1 votes

It's another view of her, and a better fleshed out one at that. It was a little odd for me too, but I understand and respect what they were going for.

Mirage Night1 votes

Added context to my statement

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