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Jarvan would benefit greatly from the same update as Kassadin

Garentheon··28 votes·20,769 views

DISCLAIMER: Please save your list of champions that need an update before Jarvan. I'm not claiming he should skip the line

My issues with Jarvan:

Jarvan is in a weird place because he is not old enough to warrant a VU (at least compared to the ones who really need it) but he is also not up to the current standard. I couldn't think of how he'd get an update until I saw what they did with Kassadin. It hits all the points in which Jarvan needs

IronStylus, Ququroon, ChamUp...Thoughts?

32 Comments

RiotIronStylus41 votes

Jarvan is goofy, I'll say it. He's got.. dragon armor? But he's.. the Demacian crown prince? Yes, I think he could use a similar update since his rig is decent. Personally I'd want to execute on him so that he feels like the crown prince in battle regalia. Not some Monster Hunter mish-mash. This means sort of a strange update that's more like a thematic update. Making him fit into the world versus just being completely arbitrary. Can we maintain his silhouette and shapes? Absolutely, but I feel we should re-imagine him a bit more.

A Superb Villain3 votes

That has always been my greatest issue with Jarvan, he does not look like a prince.

CupcakeTrap6 votes

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Jarvan is goofy, I'll say it. He's got.. dragon armor? But he's.. the Demacian crown prince? Yes, I think he could use a similar update since his rig is decent. Personally I'd want to execute on him so that he feels like the crown prince in battle regalia. Not some Monster Hunter mish-mash. This means sort of a strange update that's more like a thematic update. Making him fit into the world versus just being completely arbitrary. Can we maintain his silhouette and shapes? Absolutely, but I feel we should re-imagine him a bit more.

I rather like his "Could I be more epic?" aspect. It's a nice, gently comedic subtheme. Kind of the Demacian version of Piltover's Jayce or Noxus's Draven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQa-pqkmKg Jarvan IV gets pentakills on Twisted Treeline…

Admittedly, it's a little tacky. I may have more personal tolerance for (and affection for) LoL's over-the-top elements; I think it keeps it fun that there's some overblown notion of "The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" at work here.

As for the dragon armor aspect, I agree that it would be nice to see it regal'd up a bit. That said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKvdRhsME WITH ALL MY STRENGTH!

I feel like the Demacian Standard is a little lackluster. That's the battle standard of Demacia, and that's the Crown Prince carrying it. I feel like it should be really dramatic when it goes down, like, hey, Demacia just threw down its royal standard, and this is about to get real. Right now, it kind of just looks like some blue flag. Maybe that's a place to amp up his regal character?

EDIT: This is more sound than art, but if allied Demacian Champions shouted "DEMACIA!" when Jarvan did, that…that would be amazing.

A Superb Villain4 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2WKvdRhsME WITH ALL MY STRENGTH!

Fifteen second delay on Jarvan's ult? I can live with that.

Spam E for2 votes

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EDIT: This is more sound than art, but if allied Demacian Champions shouted "DEMACIA!" when Jarvan did, that…that would be amazing.

THIS!!!! I agree it would be epic for Jarvan to engage into battle with R Yelling DEMACIA! and with Garen and Lux yelling it a well!I wish that the other Demacians could yell Demacia as well tho... Galio XinZhao Quinn Shyvana

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

Isn't his lore that he went into the jungle and hunted some things? Thought that's why his armor is different. Couldn't dragons be a part of Demacian culture? Considering we don't know that much about it.

Ironclad Dragon4 votes

A dragon motif is fine in my book. But what he's currently wearing is odd. His shoulder pads are the biggest offenders (are they horns? Fingers?) http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141117033733/dragonage/images/f/f7/FoIArmorSet.png http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/170/169098/auto/DAI_inquisitor.png

RiotIronStylus5 votes

I KNOW RIGHT?

Actually they started to look like bee butts to me. Stingers and such.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

http://41.media.tumblr.com/85932bd3e78b7768df7e760440f22750/tumblr_n76wvgf04t1tr0ld8o1_400.jpg

Garentheon1 votes

Had the same thing in mind

ExecutorDill5 votes

Can you re-imagine Shen to a sort of "Galactic Ninja?" That would be awesome! I always thought of him more of a cosmic champ when I first read his title "Eye of Twilight" and learnt he could teleport cross the map.

Shen Needs Your Love

Ptarlorr1 votes

Also, is the design on his chest supposed to look like an ant head? And what do ants have to do with Demacia?

Resonat1 votes

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Jarvan is goofy, I'll say it. He's got.. dragon armor? But he's.. the Demacian crown prince? Yes, I think he could use a similar update since his rig is decent. Personally I'd want to execute on him so that he feels like the crown prince in battle regalia. Not some Monster Hunter mish-mash. This means sort of a strange update that's more like a thematic update. Making him fit into the world versus just being completely arbitrary. Can we maintain his silhouette and shapes? Absolutely, but I feel we should re-imagine him a bit more.

O_O

You play monster hunter?! WOOOOOOOOOT

MobiIe Ward1 votes

He has dragon armor because he is based of the Dragoons from Final Fantasy. https://www.google.com/search?q=dragoon&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=oef3VPbFFcapNt69grAJ&ved=0CFcQsAQ Please don't ruin Jarvan by changing his theme.

Edbwn1 votes

I just hope you guys sort of play up the grittier side of him more. Like how he charges face first into certain death (his new splash art captures this awesomely imo) and the way he cries "DEEMMAAACIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHH" when he ults. I guess I want him to be less of a well-mannered prince and more of someone who doesn't give a damn if he dies, since he almost did anyway (I know Olaf is somewhat in that area, so I'm not sure how you guys feel about that...)

Duke Anax2 votes

You know, that's the way his story has been written....

He felt like he failed as crown prince of Demacia by loosing to Noxus and so he decided to become a monster hunter for penace.

It's the very thing that differenciates him from all other high noble crown princes in other stories. So don't discard that entirely.

His armor should look like he updated/replaced parts with his Trophies. However to look like modified Demacian Battle regalia it needs to look more like Demacian Battle Regalia in the first place. Not to mention his completely ridiculous random lance shape.

He shouldn't have any of these bone shaped armor pieces and weird stuck on decor. But some pieces that are actual bone and usefull, for example a dragon skull as the chestpiece or a lance made out of vertebrae, could do.

terkmc1 votes

May i suggest this kind of design? Its elaborate and kind of spiked dragony armor, but they way it is made makes it have a very regal, elegant feel to it without being tacky

ParinoidPanda13 votes

When I opened this up, I thought you meant his q-e combo needed a range redux.

Garentheon3 votes

lol. Man i should have said Visual update

Jeddy0171 votes

Well,you did put this in the S&A section.So you got that.

LeonDemonOfDeath1 votes

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When I opened this up, I thought you meant his q-e combo needed a range redux.

Same

ExecutorDill1 votes

I thought the thing xD I nearly wet myself when I saw the rioter comment >.>

Gapybo5 votes

Jarvan always looked so weird in game to me. His idle stance is completely unnatural with his torso being impossibly arched back and the head is out of position too.

Unward493 votes

As the most played Jarvan player IN THE WORLD (probably not an exaggeration) I feel I should weigh in on this.

His stance is perfect, don't you effing dare touch it. It's a taunt all by it's self. It screams "come over here and hit me if you DARE, and you know what, fetch the rest of your team... I'll wait."

Some of his attacks do derp out a tad, especially his critical strikes, but the passive proc IS Jarvan. The way he just leans forward and delivers massive damage then steps right back up to that absurdly manly stance. Now, if you could chain concurrent attacks like Garen's sword swinging back and forth, maybe sometimes bring the back end of his spear up for a hit, that would be SUPER kickass, but don't you dare touch that martial cadence proc.

Someone had the idea of other champions responding with a cry of DEMACIA when Jarvan cataclysms... Yes. Just yes, unless they are a champion who telegraphs something with that, Lux, Garen, etc... Maybe even then, just give them a different Demacia.

I would be perfectly happy with his look being changed to that of a Battle regalia type... thing... We have Dragon Slayer Jarvan for the Dragon armor look already (still my favorite, though warring kingdoms is pretty good too), his base skin doesn't need basically the same theme only in yellow. Something like Victorious Jarvan? Infact, why don't you just unlock Victorious Jarvan for everyone and use that as the vanilla skin. Eh? Eh? No? Ok....

Oh, tiny thing as well, since it is impossible for Jarvan to throw out 2 flags at once even with max cdr, why not actually have him hold the flag when e is off cooldown. I don't think anybody would mind knowing exactly when he is able to dive in and murder your whole team and when he has to wait a couple more seconds, either friendly or enemy. That's an easy bit of "clarity" I think is one of your new fangled design buzz words that would be easy to add in a rework.

Gunpoint2 votes

He bobs his head like a dinosaur when he walks.

Voidac1 votes

That's nothing. Watch Brand's walking animation. Looks like a chicken...

Hard Penetrator2 votes

Amen.

Alderon WolfBane2 votes

Hopefully Jarvan can get a VU in the future would love to see him updated

Zarxis1 votes

I prefer Jarvan's current standing stance. It seems fitting for a combat-ready prince. I do agree that his running animation is a little weird. I'd be fine with waiting for a full VU and voiceover (preferably with the same voice actor; I don't feel the need for a new one). Unless Riot has him placed extremely far down the list of champions to give visual/texture/etc. updates, giving him a few new textures would probably be a waste of resources (Riot's slow enough without doing extra changes to champion that will be replaced by changes of a much greater scale, later on).

Tayeus1 votes

jarvan's ult also involves him rapidly walking in mid-air for a moment

looks kinda silly

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