They Are coming this champion(s) is a lamp and wolf...

GenoXx·Sep 8, 2015·18 votes·9,878 views

So they are coming really was from that champ concept..

Edit: So it's not Dha and ma....exactly... But it sure looks like it has some inspirations.

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Meep ManSep 8, 201517 votes

The Lamb and the Wolf, for those people that dont get it, is the simplest symbolism of the hunter and the hunted. The wolf hunts the lamb. Lamb gets away or the wolf eats the lamb.

From here, while we can't guess anything about their kits (for the most part), we can try and see what the champion will be:

THINGS BASICALLY GUARANTEED

The "champion" is two champions in one
It represents good and evil (sheep good, wolf evil)
It is related to "deaths" in some way
They are kindred

SPECULATION The wolf and the sheep, predator and prey. Kindred. This makes me think they represent good and evil yet cannot kill another by some mediating force. The third factor, the shephard so to speak. There is a force making sure evil doesn't kill good (and maybe vice versa). Could there be a third, less prominant spirit?

GreenLoreSep 8, 20151 votes

I also think that they are likely ionian(or from the spirit realm like bard),because the masks look kinda asian like.

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20151 votes

There is another part of Valoran that looks like asian.

Shadow isles.

Look at the mask, do they look ionian? Not really, they are heavy, they are probably old solid rock mask that resembles the way some shadow isles work are made.

I mean, remember, harrowing is close, rioter said they are working in harrowing lore, "they are coming".

95% "They" are from shadow isles.

GreenLoreSep 8, 20151 votes

I guess you are trolling here,because there is literally nothing asian looking about the shadow isles.

Anway I guess they are more likely from some sort of spirit realm(like bard).

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20151 votes

yes totally nothing asian in none, like underworld wukong, or freaking hecarim, Thresh and kalista weapons.

GreenLoreSep 8, 20156 votes

Underworld wukong is a skin(and its asian themed because thats wukong). Hecarim doesn't really look asian to me,you might make connections between his mask and samurai masks,but that similarity is really small. Kalistas spears aren't asian at all.

The only thing that is asian is threshs weapon,but thats like saying that Bandle city is asian themed because Rumble is riding a mech.

RalanrSep 9, 20151 votes

To be fair, Kalista's armor looks Ionian (I thought it was closer to Mt. Targon, but I checked again).

But that could mean there used to be Ionian presence in the Shadow Isles. Possibly an invading force. Or it used to be a part of Ionia.

I hope the new champion doesn't relate to Ionia in any way. We have enough connections to Ionia.

GenoXxSep 9, 20151 votes

No thats how the Ionians view Kalista...

RalanrSep 9, 20151 votes

Eh? I'm lost.

Spizzle9000Sep 8, 20152 votes

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The Lamb and the Wolf, for those people that dont get it, is the simplest symbolism of the hunter and the hunted. The wolf hunts the lamb. Lamb gets away or the wolf eats the lamb.

From here, while we can't guess anything about their kits (for the most part), we can try and see what the champion will be:

THINGS BASICALLY GUARANTEED

The "champion" is two champions in one

It represents good and evil (sheep good, wolf evil)

It is related to "deaths" in some way

They are kindred

SPECULATION The wolf and the sheep, predator and prey. Kindred. This makes me think they represent good and evil yet cannot kill another by some mediating force. The third factor, the shephard so to speak. There is a force making sure evil doesn't kill good (and maybe vice versa). Could there be a third, less prominant spirit?

Precisely. They are stuck in balance. Looking at the pictures, it really does seem pretty similar to Dha Ma. Could they have actually made a champion suggested by a non-Rioter? Maybe it looks like the concept, but that's it? Who knows.

WheatloafSep 8, 20152 votes

I'd like to see at least a little bit of "wolf in sheep's clothing" somewhere in the concept, even if it's only in the champion's personality and not in their kit.

AzureInTheDarkSep 9, 20159 votes

More like a Wolf in Manatee's clothing! Am I right? http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/6b/Warwick_UrfTheManateeSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100401162229

Only Play DariusSep 8, 201512 votes

It's not Dha'Ma. Riot specifically stated they would never incorporate fan-created lore or champions into their game for various reasons.

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20153 votes

Its obvisuly a heavy inspiration tough.

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20152 votes

I would think more of a coincidence. Riot is always working on multiple champions at any given moment, and a champion with 2 entities acting as one is a pretty novel concept that i'm sure they at least had on the drawing board. When they saw how positive community interaction was to Dha'Ma they probably decided to push forward with their concept.

One of the reasons Riot stated they would never incorporate fan created lore/champions is because "Great minds think alike" and if there was a champion concept truly worthy of inclusion into the game then it's likely that Riot already is working on it.

UomoAfideSep 8, 20151 votes

We should consider it could be some kind of "double stance" champion. Similar to what Jayce and Elise are, the Sheep use some abilities and the Wolf use others. Not exactly originals but it could work. They could have even made a champion similar to Smite's god Hel, split personality and different styles of the two "kits". Or perhaps i just lack imagination and i'm just thinking about more obvious ideas, would be neat if they were to be a double champion though.

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20152 votes

That would be just Quinn and Valor pretty much, i want BOTH at the same time.

Only Play DariusSep 8, 20152 votes

I don't really want another dual-stance champion to be honest, they tend to be overloaded and hard to balance. Either they're like pre-buff Elise where you have to perfectly execute every single one of their ablilities in both forms just to be able to compete with much simpler champs, or they are like Gnar who has access to more strategies and abilities than anyone else and just seems to always have a trick up his sleeve to deal with any situation that he is faced with.

LeetriSep 9, 20153 votes

Very much a coincidence. My first champion concept was a dragon with a Q that's multiple fireballs, a W that summons a tornado around him that makes him move faster and deals DoT, an E that gives him a fiery bite and an R that causes him to take flight and combust. Sounds a lot like a certain champion in the game, right? I finished that concept the day before they revealed Shyvana, and I couldn't believe it when I read her abilities. Coincidences happen, it's not impossible that 2 in 7 billion people come up with the same idea.

nanogibbonSep 13, 20151 votes

I seem to remember hearing speculation that there might be some kind of 2-bodied champion well over a year ago. Unless this was an idea that I had semi-independently. Whether the creator of DhaMa had seen the same speculation and was inspired by it, or arrived at the concept (and then associated it naturally to Yin and Yang) on her/his own, it just goes to show that it's easy to arrive at similar places in a design space at a similar time.

Also, note that a Riot employee posted on the original DhaMa thread that the Kindred/Lamb/Wolf champ (or whatever They Are Coming is) was first proposed in January of this year, while DhaMa appeared around May or June. That's not to say that some of the creative inspiration with regard to appearance, concept, or origin could not have colored the new champ in some way, but it is clear that it's not a primary source of inspiration.

Still, I'm excited! YinYang and DoubleChamp as concepts both really appeal to me.

DrCyanideSep 8, 20158 votes

How is it any more inspired by DhaMa than it is Yin-Yang, which is what DhaMa itself is inspired off of?

SharjoSep 8, 20158 votes

It's unlikely that the champion itself is the lamb and wolf we see. Another string mentions "Kindred" implying that these little guys are kindred spirits for whatever is coming. I imagine the champion itself is the harbinger of these things that are coming, but I dunno.

Either way the Lamb and the Wolf are probably not the champion or whatever's coming, they're just tied to it.

GenoXxSep 8, 20153 votes

I beleive it's two champs as one. Also does it not look like that champ concept? Dha and ma?

SharjoSep 8, 201513 votes

Any similarity in terms of appearance to Dha Ma is COMPLETELY coincidental. The chances Riot would actually make Dha Ma is like 0%.

Valaran NaraSep 8, 20153 votes

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Any similarity in terms of appearance to Dha Ma is COMPLETELY coincidental. The chances Riot would actually make Dha Ma is like 0%.

Actually, I think the similarity isn't necessarily that they nabbed the champ concept but rather how it's visually shown. Like, "Oh, the way this looks is cool and fits!" Then did a few ideatiations until they came to something slightly different as opposed to just ripping the entire look.

SharjoSep 8, 201510 votes

Well the main point to put across here is that Riot is most likely never gonna do champions that are inspired by fan concepts. While I agree inspiration can occur I also think that looking for similarities between fan concept and new champions is folly.

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20154 votes

Would you say that the new champion is Dha and Ma... in spirit?

DrCyanideSep 8, 20153 votes

No, I'd say they're both knock offs of Yin-Yang, down to the coloring inspiration.

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20154 votes

...

A guy tries to make a pun...

DecritSep 8, 20156 votes

Well Braum started by a fan comic, that gave the imput of Strongman.

It traversed few phases, even becoming a woman, but then came back to the origins. Is not true that they pick a champion done by the community and translate it ingame, but they can pick it for a starting base of a new one, conceptually. Besides, it is also true that evil and good, and the ying-yang, are things pretty much known and shared by many individuals so nthing extremely original by itself, depends on how it is worked out.

Ramathos22Sep 9, 20152 votes

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Any similarity in terms of appearance to Dha Ma is COMPLETELY coincidental. The chances Riot would actually make Dha Ma is like 0%.

sour puss

AlleoSep 9, 20151 votes

Rito actually said in the Dha Ma concept thread that they started working on their champion before the concept for Dha Ma came out.

Rito StaffSep 10, 20151 votes

There is a place in the Boards that say "Suggestions".
Rioters said they can take suggestions. Don't quote me though.
Dha Ma wasn't any champion suggestion. It was a very good one, one that got loads of upvotes and attention.
A rioter even said he'd foward it to the team because it was so epic.

It's not that farfetched that they took the whole OP and put it into the 3D Champion Printer.

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20154 votes

For those who do not wish to follow the link, here is a picture:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GQWsZ2T0xdQ/Ve80B_R_7KI/AAAAAAAAw_k/bSJVdbinN-k/s1600/TheyAreComing_Base_Promo_Mask.png

Edit:

Also, if you die, there is a random chance you will be "marked".

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-irNb-w_VDKo/Ve9OYQ5xW-I/AAAAAAAAxAg/v4g7O9xOyJ0/s1600/342423423423.jpg

SharjoSep 8, 20154 votes

They're real cutie pies aren't they?

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20155 votes

In my experience, things which serve as a representation for fundamental aspects of existence, who also happen to be really cute, are the most terrifying.

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20153 votes

Like The bard?

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20153 votes

He did leave a village to be massacred for reasons we cannot hope to understand, which while it may not be "evil" per se, it is still fairly horrifying.

Celio Hogane HDSep 8, 20153 votes

Yep, the bard is a dick.

CaythelesSep 8, 20152 votes

Bard only intervenes if something happens that can disrupt the Future, That village being destroyed was nothing compared to what would happen if Noxus got a hold of that Magical Sphere.

Bard also never interfered with the Extinction of Gnars Race because it wouldnt have a Negative Result in the future.

A Superb VillainSep 8, 20152 votes

That is the point; we cannot understand his motivations. Regardless of its value to the greater whole, to those who suffer, the decision is wrong. It is a matter of perspective.

Objectively, Bard did what was right. For the victims of Noxus, what he did was wrong.

RalanrSep 9, 20152 votes

We can only assume Bard functions on, "Greater Good/lesser evil" mentality.

Considering he's a spirit/cosmic entity, it makes sense. They see things we would never comprehend and think differently.

Even Angels were monsters.

SubNautilusSep 10, 20151 votes

Just remember that the people who got attacked by noxus were trying to secure the sphere and almost failed so they did not expect bard to save them they were trying to help bard protect all things as a whole by sending away the sphere.

RalanrSep 10, 20151 votes

I don't think they expected Bard at all.

SharjoSep 8, 20153 votes

I'm reminded of Incubators right now, on the cute but terrifying aspect.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/b4ec76b20d030298eff7e698f1b010e0/tumblr_mwajoaztvY1s9pqe7o1_500.gif

GreenLoreSep 8, 20154 votes

Now that I think about it,it would make a lot of sense for them to be Ionian,not just because they look asian,but also because the sheep&wolf represents the hunter&the prey.

The sheep is harmless/defenseless,but can give us wool&milk,the wolf is strong,but can't produce,just destroy. It kinda mirrors ionias situation,since Ionia currently struggles to find the right balance between "noxians should die/power shouldn't be restrained" and "peacefulness/tradition/balance in power"

ArdoreAuroraleSep 8, 20153 votes

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Now that I think about it,it would make a lot of sense for them to be Ionian,not just because they look asian,but also because the sheep&wolf represents the hunter&the prey.

The sheep is harmless/defenseless,but can give us wool&milk,the wolf is strong,but can't produce,just destroy. It kinda mirrors ionias situation,since Ionia currently struggles to find the right balance between "noxians should die/power shouldn't be restrained" and "peacefulness/tradition/balance in power"

Ionia X Shadow Isles ship : too good to be real

MeeKrobSep 10, 20151 votes

Okay, so far what I'm thinking is the champion will most likely be one champion (could be two but most likely one).

The "Kindred" will most likely refer to his/her split personality with this duality. (good vs evil, sheep vs wolf). The champion will probably switch off between stances, similar to Jayce. And the Sheep form will be some sort of mage / caster stance whereas the Wolf form will be some sort of melee stance (again, kind of like Jayce).

He/she could possibly be Ionian, I don't know, but I doubt he/she will be from the Shadow Isles.

Maybe the champion will be some sort of shapeshifter, or Gnar like champion. Where a soft and cuddly champion ends up being a wolf on the inside, but honestly that would be too similar to Gnar.

This champion could be a monster/beast or it could be a shapeshifting human. Regardless I'm stoked to find out!

RalanrSep 10, 20152 votes

I really hope it's not Ionian. We have a lot of Ionian champions.

nanogibbonSep 13, 20151 votes

I suspect they'll be doing something a bit more original than the "dual stance" or "transformation" thing we've seen with various champs. Something like the YinYang concept someone proposed for DhaMa in which abilities alternate between their light and dark versions, or are empowered by a new resource that operates on a kind of light-dark continuum. Like using several "Dark" abilities in a row will make the next "Light" ability stronger as it "snaps back" into balance, but at some additional cost - that way there could also be benefit to maintaining balance. Some interesting combo potential there.

I'm also imagining something whereby the core abilities relate to both identities together, but one ability, say the W, would send the Lamb character away to attach to another champ, thus switching abilities to a Wolf-focused version, while the E ability in the initial Dual mode would do the same with the Wolf. This means that instead of a simple binary transformation like Jayce, Elise, or Gnar, we sort of have 3 versions: Dual, Wolf (with Lamb "linked"), and Lamb (with Wolf "linked"). Probably not entirely different abilities in each mode, since that would be overly confusing and not thematic, but some altered version of each which can also interact with the "linked" champ.

The other cool piece of this champion's puzzle is the apparent focus on Death. I like the dual/linking idea above for this reason, as having the Wolf/Lamb linked to a champ when that champion dies, or alternatively when the "Kindred" champ dies, might also have varying effects, which could lead to interesting focusing decisions, possibilities for self-sacrifice, etc. Either way, I'd bet on some kind of new twist on a death-activated ability a la Karthus, Sion, Zyra.