Shyvana VU

Mira Arya Enthe··40 votes·10,010 views

Back to doing what I do best, talking about Shyvana more than people are comfortable with.

#Wyvern? Before I speak of what Shyvana should look like, we have to talk about what she is. Which is not a Wyvern. Observe, Dragons as medieval people often saw them. http://www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Genl%20Images/Images/Portrait_Images/Saint%20George/Uccello-StGeorge2-BAR800.jpg http://www.paradoxplace.com/Perspectives/Genl%20Images/Images/Portrait_Images/Saint%20George/Uccello-StGeorge1-BAR800.jpg

While it is true some medieval dragons had front legs, it was actually quite common for them to have no front legs(Like Skyrim dragons). Wyvern, Drake, Wyrm, Dragon, 龙,ドラゴン, Drakon, and so forth. Were not classifications of dragon, they were the words different cultures/tribes used to describe magical reptiles of immense power, cunning, intelligence and fury.

What happened was along came nerds, and they needed a way to separate dragons by body type. So they took some of the most common versions to fall under each name and decided those were their classifications. Which was fine. The problem came with all the baggage that things like D&D attached to these (the game that once thought Katana 60cm was longer than a longsword 100–130 cm or that a longsword was a one handed weapon). Things like "These ones are bigger, those ones are smarter, this is smarter and bigger and that one is pretty much a pet." Again 100% fine for that fantasy-verse to create it's own classifications.

But, unfortunately nerds like to sound smart. So all too often I see D&D baggage carried over into other games, and nerds use it as if it were true historical facts.

Dragon is derived from French; drake is an English word, from Old English draca (derived from Latin). The dragons were known by many different names: drakes, worms, long-worms, serpents. And came in many shapes and sizes.

It isn't. It isn't even true by the lord and savior of modern fantasy Tolkien. So Dragons in Skyrim are Dragons, not 'fake lower dragon wyvern things' as many internet boards complained. And the same is almost true for Shyvana. There is a small difference, Shyvana is a half dragon. A half dragon will obviously share characteristics of both creatures, humans have four limbs, so does Shyvana. If Riot follows the D&D style baggage that Wyverns are lesser dragons with no front legs and less intelligence, that is fine. But Shyvana will remain a Half Dragon, missing two front legs because of the mixing of magic/spirit/genes causing her body to choose her human number of limbs.

#On to the VU! Quite simply Shyvana looks awful. Not Mordekaiser or Evelynn awful, but still awful. https://storage.googleapis.com/yobi3d-web-assets/g0ebPKseGL/g0ebPKseGL.jpg Human form isn't too terrible, no pizza feet. But still pretty bad. She got a texture update years ago but the textures could be better, and the model shape is terrible.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ab8cHbz1GI/maxresdefault.jpg Dragon form just looks silly, and bad all around. To the point where skins feel mandatory. And even some of them could use work.

For human form something along these lines would be best. https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/364/067/large/thibaut-granet-01thibaut-granet-riot-game-art-contest-2014-shyvana-beautylow.jpg?1419027201 Credit to Thibaut Granet from ArtStation for the first one http://orig03.deviantart.net/3442/f/2014/353/e/d/_wip_5__shyvana_the_half_dragon_by_yuliuskrisna-d8agh9y.jpg http://orig14.deviantart.net/0ee2/f/2017/041/f/4/_wip_6__shyvana_the_half_dragon_by_yuliuskrisna-dayin09.jpg Credit to YuliusKrisna from DeviantArt for those two. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/540f5c01e4b0f74ac5a3f6ab/554ed3eee4b035bedaae046f/554ed3efe4b094686ab48887/1431229425436/beautyshot1.jpg Could not find source on that one. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rAv4a (Potentially the best, Artist linked obviously, it is a full webpage with a 3D model viewer)

These look incredible, regardless of your preference for which some mix of these would be ideal for me. But I want to go a bit more in depth because pictures are pictures, not models.

Shyvana's human form should look vicious, destructive, dangerous. Like her STUNNING splash art it should have flames dripping from her hands while in combat(or at least while her W is burning). Her movements are important to reflect her animalistic nature in her new lore story. She should feel like something that is going to launch a flurry of rapid and mighty blows, swipes and strikes to pierce, gauge and crush.

Visual Effects and Audio In human form, Shyvana's voice is GREAT! I love it. The woman who did her voice also did Zyra, and Chromie from WoW(another Dragon). She is very talented, it is important we get her to redo the Dialogue. As Shyvana will need new Dialogue, considering like old Lux she has only 1:24 of dialogue and a lot of that are hitting, dying, roaring, etc type sounds. While she isn't really the talkative type, she certainly needs more character. Special Note: She should have direct interactions with Morde's Dragon/Morde, Aurelion Sol and Dragonslayer Skins.

Her Passive: Shyvana's passive has no visual representation at the moment. If we go do a VU, I think it would be awesome to have visuals for her 10% bonus damage to dragons, perhaps she could get some dialogue for engaging on dragons and some unique effects/animations when attacking them. For the stacks perhaps her fire could get more intense for all her visuals and/or her dragon form could get larger. I leave it to Riot to find something creative here. There should also be a visual effect for absorbing the Dragon's soul when she kills it. At the moment it is very anti-climatic.

Her Twin Bite: Twin bite looks and feels good, it is snappy, quick and feels very impactful when it hits. Not much, if anything, would need to change with this ability. Maybe just some small updates the the quality of the effects and her movement animations during it.

Her Burnout: Looks like crap, no offense. It looked good ages ago, now it just looks and feels 'meh'. It should look more fiery, lethal, scary and intense. Especially in dragon form(I miss my trail of destruction ;~;). Shyvana herself should look nearly on fire, and in dragon form she should have fire burning from her body that visually trails as she moves with this is active.

Her Flame Breath: Needs some refinement and update in human form visuals, and the enemy hit by the debuff should look like they have flames around them. In dragon form it is a tad disappointing because while the gameplay update made it feel great, it is just using the animation from her old Trail of Embers from her W. It should instead shoot an impressive fiery stream from her throat that flies through the air and impacts with a 'spreading' visual, like not quite an explosion but more of a plume that rapidly bursts outwards. Almost like it rolls outward igniting the ground. It should have a more fiery, burning sound to it, at the moment it's sound effects are not very impressive.

Her Dragon's Descent: To talk about this we need to talk about...

Her Dragon Form model. http://i.imgur.com/jX8rqnD.jpg Damn that art looks good. However, in game it comes off reflected like this... http://file.2000fun.com/forum/201111/01/163053jefp9ej7eqjgk734.jpg I will give the model maker credit, they seemed to be attempting to make her look part human.

But honestly, we just want to walk around as a fire breathing monster. Since Shyvana is a Half-Dragon without front legs, I suggest just going to Skyrim for examples of what shape she should have, with of course her armor and color-pallet. https://img-s1.onedio.com/id-5628bf0f56029f0055b00cb4/rev-0/w-635/f-jpg-gif-webp-webm-mp4/s-c931265175f188aa57b7d6a690fa7db5cde85ecd.gif The https://i.ytimg.com/vi/543ZDGj7GBI/maxresdefault.jpg Dragon Game https://artfiles.alphacoders.com/417/41795.jpg So far


Thank you for reading. I would love to hear the opinions of other Shyvana players and other players in general on what they think of Shyvana's visuals and what they think she should look like. I am also working on a "Shyvana Gameplay Update Followup" which will be posted in Gameplay when it is ready and will detail where I think they went right and wrong on the update, and how I think she could be changed further in the future(after other champions have had their turn) to make her feel even more fun, fair and awesome both for enemies and allies. Giving her more Skill Expression and less Stat Check as well.

With the best intentions - Mira Arya Enthe, the Traveler.

88 Comments

Sahn Uzal21 votes

God, that first part gave me a good laugh :P

The whole ''Skyrim Dargens be Wyverns bcuz no front legz'' always annoyed me.

In my eyes, a Dragon is what the designer(s)/Writer(s) of the universe wants it to be. No more, No less.

Mira Arya Enthe9 votes

This. As a writer it pisses me the fuckity fuck off. I look like those tilted Skyrim dragons that go spaghetti mode.

Sahn Uzal8 votes

Ahhh, Skyrim physics.

Just the memories of the rediculous bugs in that game make me want to play it again :P

WinTheWarOnPants2 votes

In my eyes, a Dragon is what the designer(s)/Writer(s) of the universe wants it to be. No more, No less.

This bothers me. Definitions are the foundation of language and logic. When you let people use a word for defining whatever they want, the word loses it's value. If you can't predicate anything from the word, why use it at all? As an Evelynn main lets take the overused and incorrect use of "succubus" when defining her. By definition a succubus(the female counterpart of an incubus) is a demon invades the dreams of it's victim and has sex with them to drain their life force(or gain sustenance in some way). If you ignore this definition then anything can become a succubus, and game developers/fantasy writers have done just that. Some call Eve a succubus because shes a scantliy clad non-human female.Elise Zyra Janna Morgana Shyvana RekSai Zyra are succubi by that definition. If "invading dreams" is all it takes then Leonardo DiCaprio is an incubus... i could go on, but i think i've made my point. Also, AP shyv is best shyv

YoungSirJ0ey1 votes

First of all, the plural of succubus is succubi. Second of all, the difference between succubi and dragons in that aspect is that succubi were defined as dream-invading sex demons by the people who originally thought them up. Dragons weren't. Calling 2-legged dragons wyverns was a thing Wizards did, not a thing the Medieval societies that came up with dragons did.

WinTheWarOnPants2 votes

First of all, the plural of succubus is succubi.

Fixed, but not sure why you make a point just to point out that i made that mistake in one instance... I'm pretty sure i made more mistakes than that, but idk or care cause i'm posting on a video game forum...

Second of all, the difference between succubi and dragons in that aspect is that succubi were defined as dream-invading sex demons by the people who originally thought them up. Dragons weren't. Calling 2-legged dragons wyverns was a thing Wizards did, not a thing the Medieval societies that came up with dragons did.

ok... this has nothing to do with my argument though...

midnight oil2410 votes

Finally, someone besides me who gets annoyed when people get pretentious over dragon "types." There are not different types of dragons. There are dragons. Some dragons are serpent-like. Some have front and hind-legs and wings (never mind that someone I know figured out that they'd be incapable of flying if they were built like that). The point is, it is a dragon. It may be a wyvern, or a wyrm, but it is still a dragon. It's just a dragon in another language.

Valaran Nara5 votes

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Finally, someone besides me who gets annoyed when people get pretentious over dragon "types." There are not different types of dragons. There are dragons. Some dragons are serpent-like. Some have front and hind-legs and wings (never mind that someone I know figured out that they'd be incapable of flying if they were built like that). The point is, it is a dragon. It may be a wyvern, or a wyrm, but it is still a dragon. It's just a dragon in another language.

Bees are too large for their wings to hold them up, so they have tiny airbags inside of them that inflates and helps them become "lighter". Kind of like a hot air balloon.

midnight oil241 votes

Um... sure. I don't know if that's true, but I don't really care enough to look it up.

And I get the feeling no one would be scared of a dragon if it was careening around like a bee.

Glory ln Death3 votes

Pretty sure the whole "giant, fire-breathing death lizard" aspect of them would still be pretty dang terrifying.

midnight oil243 votes

Could still be scary, just not as scary as if they actually flew in a specific direction instead of twirling around like a drunk guy who thinks he can dance.

50000000000000002 votes

According to all known laws of aviations, bees should be incapable of flight.

TyrekGoldenspear8 votes

Woah. I've never seen Shyv's dragon model in detail until now. It definitely shows it's age.

You're right when you say it seems like the modeler wanted her to look partially human. Kinda like her human form is still kinda like a dragon.

But imo they should go all the way when it comes to her dragon design. I like the final pic the most.

I admit to being one of the people who thought Wyverns had no front legs while dragons did. I remember being told that, and it made sense to make a distinction so I haven't questioned it then.

Papa Andrei2 votes

I feel like dragon classification by type is just a general consensus and not just a DnD thing. Like LoL means Laugh out Loud, not Lucifer our Lord, just something agreed upon

50000000000000002 votes

That's technically not wrong, but that general agreement is based on DnD and its derivatives. Besides, a different fantasy universe can use different definitions or descriptions of creatures sharing the same name. Elves are a good example of this, I think.

Velzard of Koz1 votes

Yeah, but most fantasy arts are inspired when talking about Elfs by nordic culture as Tolkien was (so there's little distinction in that). That's why so many fantasy that uses Elfs use two types of elfs (originally, they were the black ones who turned into dwarves when they degenerated when hiding in moutains and the white ones who serve to Frey and Freya)

50000000000000002 votes

There are tall, magical, near-immortal elves, but there are also small elves (like house elves from Harry Potter series). In some universes they're rare, in others they're one of the most common races.

Even among the most common "tall, magical, near-immortal" elves, there are a lot of variation across different universes. High/night/blood elves of Warcraft universe is pretty different from elves from LotR universe both in appearance and culture, although there are certainly similarities.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Except Dragon Concensus comes with a bunch of baggage and comes from nerds incorrectly referring to real mythology and folklore. Bit different

Papa Andrei8 votes

For the models... needs more bulk, straight up. Not Illaoi levels but Shyv looks like a twig (same body type as me lol)

Though Dragon form does look malnourished as all hell, like fiddle is the same looking limbs.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Dragon form looks bad but human form only needs a little size. A: She is a woman. B: it is fantasy. C: she isn't human. She doesn't need to look as unrealistic as he-man or something. They can go make some other female character into Hercules.

Papa Andrei3 votes

I feel like just a little size increase should be shown, as Human form looks positively weak, though hybrid anatomy may be different.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

If we are talking humans then girls of the same workout and nutrition will always look smaller and thinner than guys due to hormones and genes. My brother is in the military and martial arts. I am in martial arts and outdoors. We are both fairly thin. Olaf muscles are as ridiculous as Riven muscles.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8b/07/b3/8b07b3ec551e4aaaf6c1df81dc6472ee.jpg this right here is about what Shyvana and Riven should look like. No more. Illoai is on steroids like most real athletes. Also muscles have diminishing returns above a certain size.

No human, not even the bulkiest could do what Shyvana and Riven do. They are supplimented by magical forces like 99.9% of fantasy characters. Even those who seem mundane break the laws of physics constantly.

I have no interest in a game full of giant muscular women, I don't even enjoy men who get too big. To me it is just as infuriating to see these "realism" armor and body snobs(who often don't understand real bodies any better than the fucking League of Angels artists) than it is to deal with oversexualization. I'd rather play fucking Tera Online than listen to Anita Sarkisian talk for 5 seconds.

That is my very passionate view on the matter. Illoai is unique. No reason to make everyone like her.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

You're kind of grinding down all people to your body type. The bottom line is that women being more muscular then some men IS possible, in the same way it's possible for men to be skinnier then women. It's not necessarily the norm, but when has a fantasy game with dragons ever been limited to that?

I've seen women who could break me in half, and they look nothing like the image you linked. On that topic, that was of some anime characters or something, not exactly the most realistic example of women.

Women of Illaoi's caliber DO exist, and without the need of steroids either.

To be fair I have no interest in a game full of giant tittied women either, but here we are. It's infuriating to have a game catered to a bunch of horny 15 year olds, and then have people defend the creators for creating the pinnacle of design.

League champions are for the most part EXTREMELY Generic in design. That is the point, as it's the League of LEGENDS afterall, but still.

Sure, there isn't much reason to have make EVERYONE like Illaoi, but there isn't much in having over 60% of the female roster share the body type either.

Like most views, yours is passionate and you're allowed to have it, but it shows blatant signs of bias as well.

GreenLore6 votes

You know whats hilarious about all those who go by these "nerd-definitions" and still claim that Shyvana is a wyvern(or the skyrim dragons/Smaug in the movies)? That they are wrong,even by Nerd-definition standards,because Wyvern are pretty much always considered animal-like beasts that can't breath fire,which obviously doesn't apply to Shyvana. So she isn't even a wyvern even by nerd-definitions!

Papa Andrei1 votes

Well Runeterra lore also has Dragons and Wyverns, Wyverns are like the flying mounts of Demacia, and Dragons are magical beasts, as seen in Shyv lore.

GreenLore2 votes

Which is why Wyverns likely can't breath fire,as they are probably not magical beasts.

50000000000000002 votes

Do we actually know if wyverns can fly? I think all we know about wyverns as of now is that they were used as mounts for Demacian knights.

Enlegacy5 votes

Wait Shyvana has the same voice actress as Chromie? I didn't see that coming.

Also yeah it annoys me when people try to drag D&D classification for dragons into other games. That's like saying all elves should function and be classified how they are in WoW, (High Elves, blood elves, night elves, the nightborne, etc.) and putting it into other worlds, like the Lord of the Rings or even D&D.

Sorry as a nerd it annoys me when other nerds try to do stuff and tamper with other canons.

Cyber HeroXL4 votes

shyvana and the big guys from skyrim look like proper animals that hunt stuff, most 4 leggers make me think of Dora the Explorer.

https://media.giphy.com/media/vqZEiAgLFuqMU/giphy.gif

cept toothless, toothless looks like toothless.

macromite2 votes

Long sword is a one handed weapon.

Long sword is also not a one handed weapon.

Why? because long swords are a lot of different weapons.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Nope, a one handed straight sword is called an Arming Sword generically, though there are some region specific and design specific names just like with longswords. Longswords are, you guessed it, long. Measuring at an average 110ish CM they are longer than the two handed Katana which could sometimes be used in one hand.

macromite2 votes

Katanas are certainly shorter, depending, but seriously longsword is about a generic a term as you want dragon to be.

Yes I know the difference between a longsword and an arming sword. but the same reason you want people to stop calling shyv a wyvern is about the same as the reason you can't call longswords an exclusively two handed weapon. different groups came up with different weapons that they all considered long.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Longsword, as a singular compound word refers specifically to European straight swords with two edges, and a long blade with a two handed grip. That isn't different groups, it is DnD being retarded.

macromite1 votes

Rapiers fall under the category.

Just like wyverns fall under the category of dragon. Shyv is a wyvern.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Rapiers are not longswords. They are another type of cut and thrust sword, but are not longswords.

macromite1 votes

Rapiers are infact longswords.

Of course so are the ever so many other kinds of thicker longswords

You also have your hand and a half swords, or bastard swords, which are longswords.

You have Great swords, which although different from long swords tend to have no discernable difference in any meaningful way, (Longswords can be longer than greatswords, and look exactly like a greatsword, while not being a greatsword)

you have claymores and basket hilted swords being called longswords.

and all other kinds

So for the sake of keeping it accurate, always try to call something what the most accurate term is. For the sake of shyv, she is a creature that is two legged, two winged, without being particularly long. She is a dragon. but she is a dragon like a rapier is a longsword. So she needs a better definition, especially with dragon meaning many multiple things in the term of league, (Dragons from SR, Shyv, And Aurelion, all dragons, all Different.) We have a better definition, Wyvern. That should immediatly without much knowledge of classical dragons bring into mind a two legged two winged lizard that isn't particularly long.

I mean hell man there are LOTS of dragon kinds out there. From the four legged Europeons to Your wyverns and Several Serpent like Eastern styles, But you also have amphitheres and Lindwurms, also your thousand headed beasts and Giraffes as well. Not every dragon can fly, not every dragon can breath fire, not every dragon is lizardlike and not every dragon is even exclusively mythical.

So actually you pulling up longsword was a good point. A good point in how bad your point was.

You want to use the generic term for something when using a more specified term would be better. and get butthurt to hell when someone tells you to use the more specified term.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

.....Why is it that when I make a similar thread I get downvoted but this one is upvoted?

https://img.memesuper.com/d5104fd1b65e469f3ea08e9df9613890_filememe-confusedjpg-meme-confused_251-201.jpeg

Some things to address....

  1. THERE IS A REASON PEOPLE CALL SHYVANA A WYVERN: it's because the dragons in this game clearly have four limbs plus wings. So I don't care about medieval lore - every dragon look like that except Shyvana. Either Shyvana is deformed, which her new lore disproves (she's 100% dragon), or.... she's a wyvern type.

  2. I DON'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT A NEW MODEL, THAN A NEW KIT: I keep saying it, her kit is old. Her kit is boring. Her kit doesn't make her feel like a dragon.

GreenLore4 votes

Just because you 2 make threads about Shyvana doesn't mean your threads are similar. This thread talks about Shyvanas visual design and how it can be improved with a visual update. Your thread on the other hand was about complaining about the new lore. Also remember how I told you that writing in an unpolite manner causes people to downvote you?Now you see that it does help your thread if you stay rational and polite.

As for your first point: 1.Then what about this guy?The dragon that was defeated by Braum? http://i.imgur.com/wysmlAw.jpg And the whole point of Shyvanas lore is that she is different from regular dragons,thats why she gets hunted by her mother... Not to mention that they mention how Dragons are magical creatures,wheras the Wyvern are used by the anti-magical demacia,which means that Wyvern are certainly not magical,so Shyvana is definetly not a Wyvern by Runeterra-standards.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

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Just because you 2 make threads about Shyvana doesn't mean your threads are similar. This thread talks about Shyvanas visual design and how it can be improved with a visual update. Your thread on the other hand was about complaining about the new lore. Also remember how I told you that writing in an unpolite manner causes people to downvote you?Now you see that it does help your thread if >you stay rational and polite.

Before that, I made a thread about her kit.

Aaaand.... downvoted.

Aaaand... my post here is downvoted too.

That's it - there are some arsehole stalkers with nothing better to do than downvote me. They must lead some pretty boring lives.

Glory ln Death7 votes

I don't think anybody really cares enough to stalk you. You're just paranoid.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

I'll be honest, I want her to have more armor, less skin. Not Leona clad, but more armor.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

I don't, she is a vicious, savage half dragon. Not a knight.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Never said Knight level armor, hence "Not Leona Clad". But honestly, there just isn't enough there for that armor to be justified as armor. Use it properly or leave it, I find the current Shyv armor dumb and ineffective. Anime Armor.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

The armor is representative of her dragon form. It isn't there for literally protection. She is likely tough as nails according to her passive.

Demacia, and a Teen rating, makes her cover her private bits.

Embertine1 votes

Leona has two metal cups protecting her cheast and a metal skirt. Not really any armor on her to be honest.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

There's a lot of armor on her you kidding? The red part of her armor is still armor, and there is usually chainmail hidden behind that cloth.

Niyumi1 votes

Shyvana needs more than just a VU. Her kit is the definition of a braindead statcheck (which Riot "hates"), and has very little if any counterplay. She just turret dives you at level 6, takes zero damage, and one shots you if she ever gets close.

Immaculate Rhea2 votes

She needs a VU and new voice lines in both human and dragon form. Especially considering there's a new dragon AurelionSol on the block and the dragonslayer skins. She doesn't even have any interactions with Jarvan, the demacian she's closest to

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