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Darius. A True Noxian or another tool in Swain's schemes?

DragonShea··8 votes·1,406 views

Hi all. I wanted to talk a bit Darius's morality in regards to Noxus and Swains plans. First of all. I find it odd that a man from the underbelly of Noxus and a potential former child soldier ended up serving someone who clearly has a multitude of hidden agendas and is allied with the same people that disgrace the true philosophy of Noxus, the same philosophy that he himself embodies and is the symbol of.

So what is Darius's plan? Is he willingly serving Swain without a clue about his schemes, is he getting more and more disgusted with the Noxian high command remaining, is he plotting a rebellion? What is his purpose as the Hand of Noxus. To become an Icon of Noxus and truly seek to purge it of corruption? Or, to be a smokescreen and a pawn. Those are questions that Riot haven't really answered us as Noxus is far more mysterious that people realise due to them being hellbent on conquest.

33 Comments

Sharjo8 votes

Darius is the epitome of "Anyone can rise to power in Noxus" considering he's not a born Noxian, and I wouldn't expect Swain to be disrespectful of that fact. If anything I think Swain would look to Darius as one of the most powerful allies he could have.

ChunLii3 votes

Wait what? Darius isn't Noxian? I don't think there is any where right now that implies that :o. Am I just ignorant or did you spoil something?

Sharjo7 votes

He wasn't born Noxian, he became Noxian; his home of Basilich bent a knee to Noxus and was incorporated in to the empire, but this was after Darius and Draven were born.

ChunLii1 votes

Sorry but where does it say all this? Or is it some insider information?

Sharjo7 votes

This is some insider info I'm giving you. I figured it was ok to mention as it's not some world shattering spoiler or anything, just a tidbit to let you all know Darius is still awesome!

ChunLii1 votes

Ah okay thanks <3 I thought there was a Noxus short story I missed.

KoKoboto1 votes

Hmm super secret insider info eh?

Does this mean that Noxus will be getting a lore update soon???

DwarvenGiant1 votes

Sharjo, may I ask, where or what is Basilich? Is it by chance a Shuriman place? Are you even allowed to tell? ;(

Sharjo1 votes

Well I imagine I can say since you've seen it before, but I'll let you go and find it again. I'd rather you go and remember where it is rather than tell you outright.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Arakadia2 votes

Possibly on that Heirloom map thing.

Ralanr1 votes

Wait, wait, wait. Darius is not a born Noxian?

What about other Noxians? Like Riven or Sion?

Sharjo1 votes

Head canon wise I put them as born Noxians, but I don't know officially.

Ralanr4 votes

I'm starting to feel like Riot made Sion then stopped doing anything with him...

DragonShea1 votes

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Wait, wait, wait. Darius is not a born Noxian?

What about other Noxians? Like Riven or Sion?

He is, I just misspell my title, Him, Riven and SIon are Noxian purebreds

Noctkazaku1 votes

Hmmm... Could he possibly be related to the Steward Varn?

DragonShea1 votes

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Wait what? Darius isn't Noxian? I don't think there is any where right now that implies that :o. Am I just ignorant or did you spoil something?

He is Noxian, the issue is if he is a true Noxian patriot that truly fights for Noxus, or a pawn.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Hey Sharjo, I ask for a hint if you can. Since you're giving us a few already.

I have a few things I really like and things I find boring.

Things I like: Politics. Battle tactics that show the writer knows what they're talking about. Human struggle against human (or near enough not to matter) opponents.

Things I dislike: stories that revolve around magic items or enchantments or plans that only make sense with super powers. Especially when the magic is a means to control the world or some such.

Knowing that. How much do you think I'll actually enjoy the Swain plot when it gets revealed?

Sharjo1 votes

Sorry Dienekes, but there are certain champs that I'm not gonna talk about at all until there's something to talk about, and Swain is among them. I only dived in here because of Darius, and even then I felt like I might be pushing it a tad.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

I'm gonna take that as I won't like it.

Thanks though.

ChunLii1 votes

I think it's more because Swain is going to have a massive vgu soon and not everything is set in stone (Urgot was more like a chem baron than Bane at the very beginning) and also they don't want to spoil anything and every vgu is treated like a new champion. Although they haven't announced it yet, Riot members have teased it on this board a lot. They can't really talk about it. Look for the champ roadmap post next week though. IIRC the June was posted on June 20th so the July one should be soon. They could give a little more info on Swain there.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Or look at it this way. If the reveal is Swain being actually interesting with real tactics and manipulating people by just talking to them. When it's revealed I'll be happily surprised.

If they instead have him after a McGuffin I won't be disappointed because I'm already assuming that's the case.

ChunLii2 votes

A rioter did say Swain weasled his way to the top and weasled means:

achieve something by use of cunning or deceit.

So take that as you will.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Having magic often gets confused with cunning and intelligence. That doesn't exactly alleviate my worries. But thanks anyway.

DragonShea1 votes

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A rioter did say Swain weasled his way to the top and weasled means:

achieve something by use of cunning or deceit.

So take that as you will.

Strength determines if the trickery done was smart or cowardly.

Beyond Legends1 votes

Runeterra literally means magic earth... of course magic is going to have an important role. I mean if dislike magic, I don't know why you're follow a epic fantasy world..n

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

There's magic is a part then there's magic is the story.

Take the best thing Riot has written: The Bilgewater event. Magic is there, sure. TF can teleport and it plays a role in the climax. But that's not the story.

Magic is not how TF is a thief. He's a thief, and he also happens to have a drop of magic. But the main story is about revenge, and betrayal. MF wins not because she found some long lost tome to ward off Gangplank. She tricked him and planted a bomb. That's great.

And so we get to Swain. He's literally a commander of armies. So, I'm hoping along the same line he actually acts like the commander of armies. That the writers take a look at how medieval/early modern armies work to create good army fiction. It's really easy (and boring) to have the solution to any problem be magic, when the details of the actual event are far more interesting. Having to set up alliances to gather troops, where to position them to best utilize their ranks, battles that actually make sense as battles being fought over actual important land markers. That's why ASOIAF has been so interesting, for the most part, except the Bran chapters really. Or why Helm's Deep was the best part of LotR. Or most of Joe Abercrombie's work (the seed climax was a bit 'meh' but all of Glotka and Furious' stuff was amazing), or Gormenghast for that matter.

They're all fantasy stories. But they take the time and effort to do other things right.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Follow up question, if you don't mind.

What other champions make the "two important to even hint about" list?

Sharjo1 votes

Varus is the other main one that comes to mind, and any others are of a caliber of even mentioning their name would raise question marks.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

Varus alone left question marks. After the "yep it's a Darkin" reveal. I'm gonna guess it has something to do with why the bow hasn't yet manifested a personality despite Varus' corruption being about as far along as Kayn's.

Won't reveal the others huh? So I guess I'll just have to see who you don't talk about. ALPHABETICALLY!

So how's Aatrox doing these days?

More seriously. Thank you for responding to my questions. Keep doing your thing.

I don't think I ever congratulated you for getting a position with Riot. So, congrats.

Krabohod1 votes

I think Darius is not disgusted with Swain. He is more in-line with him. He seems to see Swain as something that Noxus need. All in all, Swain got his power absolutely in-line with Noxus' perspective of getting power. He sure did it with some shady things, blackmail, dirty schemes and betrayal of some folks in power.. But that's where Swain's strength lies. So, I think, Darius is kinda ok with that. He just uses Swain to get some power, just like Swain uses him to establish his power. They are more of a duo.

Also, Darius is not a good man. He is man, who have strength and knows how to use it. Why would he for no reason become hero and try to change the system that served him so well? Why would he rebell?

And I think that Darius uses 'purge' of Noxus' top generals just to strengthen the nation, not to rival with the super tops

DragonShea1 votes

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I think Darius is not disgusted with Swain. He is more in-line with him. He seems to see Swain as something that Noxus need. All in all, Swain got his power absolutely in-line with Noxus' perspective of getting power. He sure did it with some shady things, blackmail, dirty schemes and betrayal of some folks in power.. But that's where Swain's strength lies. So, I think, Darius is kinda ok with that. He just uses Swain to get some power, just like Swain uses him to establish his power. They are more of a duo.

Also, Darius is not a good man. He is man, who have strength and knows how to use it. Why would he for no reason become hero and try to change the system that served him so well? Why would he rebell?

And I think that Darius uses 'purge' of Noxus' top generals just to strengthen the nation, not to rival with the super tops

Perhaps. But I am getting the vibe that Swain might appear "nice" and "noble" to the Noxians and then get power hungry. Remember, many of the Noxian atrisocrasy are living a comfy life, whereas Noxian philosophy dictates that even they would be powerful warriors that ain't lazy and fight with their soldiers like Darius does.

The Noxian Philosophy about strength seems to dictate that Noxus should be a warrior culture similar to the vikings or spartans but more refined, not a bureaucratic society where soldiers lack a fighting spirit and are more like conscripts.

Darius seem more likely to be the one that is the well intentioned extremist out of the two as Swain is in deep with the black rose. But I wonder if Swain also has a good intentions for noxus. The more we see the atrocities of noxus pile up the less I am thinking that Swain is legit in doing what is good but we also have remember that Darkwill was in power not too long ago so it's hard to say who did what. If I had bet on what Swain would be if if he was equally as well intentioned, i'd say is his with the black rose to control them and prevent them from influencing noxus form the shadows.

And about Darius not being "good" He ain't a good guy true. But if there's one thing that is implied in Noxus is that family is still a big deal for noxians as Darius would not have left Draven to rot even if he is an annoying egomaniac.

l Helios l1 votes

Darius is an icon in Noxus as both a exemplary leader and solider. He's also one who, to most Noxians, represents the epitomy of their core traits and values. Darius, imo, truly believes Noxus is a nation worth fighting for, and Swain is most likely using Darius's image and passion to fuel his own motives. However, Darius is probably not oblivious to this, but he's willing to play along because he sees that Swain is brilliant and could help bring Noxus back into a seat of power that Darius himself couldn't do alone.

IamHuuVan1 votes

I think Kata and Talon are more tools than Darius, Dari and Swain must be hiding sth about Noxus that Kat and Tal didn't know, while Swain also holds some truth that even Dari not allowed to know

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