Frankly RiotWaargh, I don't want the dumb Noxus you're pushing for

WestTiger·8/1/2016, 5:27:47 AM·10 votes·3,093 views

Referring to this comment, among others: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/EEvHQdg5-kled-and-riven?comment=000200000000

Why Waargh? Because contrary to what people think, originally Noxus wasn't purely on the '(physical) might makes right' maxim. It was, for better or worse, a social darwinistic meritocracy. It's why they allowed Morgana to live in their city, to just open a fucking bakery so she could survive, while Demacia and Kayle turned her away.

It's why Swain was respected despite being crippled. Did any of you new Riot writers, or the supporters on these boards, actually read his backstory at all?

In Swain's backstory, he was crippled since he was a teenager.

The doctor gawked in horror as the young adolescent answered questions about his health and age with a calm, even stare. Even behind the echoing crack as the sand counterweights reset his tibia, Swain’s measuring gaze never flickered, nor did his eyes twitch from the pop of his fibula.

Normally a crippled boy would be turned away in shame from Noxus’ proud legion

He was respected by his men for his ability to lead.

The men who've served under him (and survived) have remained in his charge with unshakable faith and loyalty. He leapt through the High Command's hierarchy, often ascending when superiors requested demotions to join his unit.

He was legitimately going to become Grand General in due time without political maneuvering, but Darkwill used his position to sideline him out of fear of being usurped.

His rise to power seemed unceasing until he was suddenly relegated to inactive status prior to the Ionian Invasion - a bewildering decision which reeked of bureaucratic subversion.

Even then, the most bewildering thing is both Rioters and who supports their mindset, thinking that somehow old age and magic powers means that person is 'scheming' or 'weak'. Holy heck, are you guys still watching Disney? Did we not move past the Brawn Good Brains Bad trope from the freaking 80s and 90s!?

In Runeterra, EVERYONE has magic powers.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/509/everyone2.jpg

Good, bad, ugly, sexy, skinny, fat, human, Yordle.

You, Riot Waargh, make fun of Darius for understanding what's best for the greater good of the nation and his people, that Darius himself knew he was made of strong physical stuff but not smart enough to rule. Because surprise surprise, he is wiser than you, RiotWaaargh, in knowing it takes more than muscles to rule a nation. So he will support the one with the literal years of distinguished service and experience and the cunning and ruthless to rule a nation like Noxus.

And the real kicker. All this griping from champs about Swain not being 'strong' enough.

Fine. Have them challenge him in-lore.

That's the Noxus way, isn't it? It's the way you yourself Riot says is the Noxus way. They have to challenge him and win, to prove themselves right. Otherwise, they are hypocrites and cowards. In fact, the very kind of person they (and all the IRL new-Lores) think Swain is.

Oh on new-lores. If you so much as say 'derp derp old lore isn't canon no more derp derp', fuck you. Because the 'Evil Chancellor' stereotype you've constructed in your heads that is the sole trait of Swain is false. And makes you hypocrites, because for that stereotype to be true, means you're specifically picking and choosing bits of old-lore to support it while trying to ignore the bits that don't.

Frankly, I think you guys jumped on the lore binge only when it got easier to follow. None of you actually read the Journal of Justice did you? You didn't see the fake reader letters, the hidden messages, the cues and timeline through the League Judgements. There was a writer or writers who worked for over 3 - 4 IRL years at Riot, to detail the entire plot behind Swain working with LeBlanc and Darius and every other subtle hint and actual DEPTH OF STORY to Noxus.

I don't blame you for not following it. Not everyone knew how much detail was actually locked in the Journal of Justice, and by the time people noticed, it as too late. It's not an ideal way to convey information or story.

But I'll be damned if you will be that flippant about the effort and writing of whoever was in the lore department for Riot.

If Riot's going to reduce its backstory for Noxus (and Demacia to an extent), which was a wonderful near-Song-of-Ice-and-Fire level of gray and intrigue and sacrifice, into a 1980s Saturday Morning Cartoon archaic story structure meant to be palatable and easier to understand then a modern Disney movie - then I wish you luck.

You wasted a good plot. You wasted good characters. You wasted the Riot writers before you who tried to elevate a story beyond being just another MOBA plot.

I'm going to guess you're going to reduce Swain to the Evil Chancellor stereotype in his VUG/remake, which is the real pity. I was looking forward to it, but now I realize it'll only be a downgrade for his lore character. He'll likely not be Swain anymore post-VGU; he'll just be Disney's Jafar with a League skin on top.

18 Comments

RiotWAAARGHbobo8/1/2016, 2:50:33 PM20 votes

Duuude, whoa. I'm explaining how Kled sees the world, not how the world is.

And while his point of view is a part of that nation, it is a response to some of the negatives in that society. It's an emotional perspective coming from that society's marginalized rural people, which make a large portion of its army's enlisted ranks. An army whose actions primarily benefit Noxus prime and the other cities.

I love Kled. In many ways his grit and bravado is heroic but he's totally irrational... And that's the point.

Sharjo8/1/2016, 5:35:37 AM16 votes

I feel like you're mistaking WAAARGHbobo's opinions of Noxus and how he wrote Kled's opinions of Noxus. The two aren't linked; it's Kled who thinks like that. WAAARGHbobo's opinions on Noxus aren't relevant to the discussion here. Be mad at the irate yordle, not his writer.

Also:

In Runeterra, EVERYONE has magic powers.

False. Magic's a rarity in Runeterra. That's already been discussed. Folks with magic are rarities, that's why so many champions have magic - they're those rarities.

Beyond Legends8/1/2016, 7:02:02 AM6 votes

I don't think Riot is trying to this. Waaaarghbobo is speaking as if he was Kled. Riot has stated they don't want to make noxus evil and generic.

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

GreenLore8/1/2016, 10:32:02 AM5 votes

You say Swain isn't a schemer?Then you haven't read the other lore pieces surrounding him.

When Kieran Darkwill challenged Swain for the position of the Grand general,it is heavily implied that Swain himself didn't fight,since he used attacks that resemble Leblancs attacks and Darius executed Kieran once she rooted Kieran Darius swooped in to ult him. Meaning that Swain didn't even go to his own duel...

Then there is the fact that Swain attacked J4 during his League judgement,when his opponents guard was down.

And he and Leblanc started the Kalamanda incident,while letting it look like J4 attacked Swain.

Last but not least,it is implied that Swain got Boram Darkwill killed,while making it look like Demacia assassinated him.Swain didn't challenge Boram to a fight.

Meep Man8/1/2016, 8:28:15 AM3 votes
  1. I'm not sure if you know this, but Swain is REALLY evil. Like, one of the evilest characters in League of Legends. He is stupidly evil. As Grand Tactician of Noxus, he is in charge of most things. Do you know what that means!? He invaded Ionia! He used chemical warfare on both Ionians and Noxians! He is what caused Riven's exile! He is responsible for the ressurection of Sion! It was his plan! The Ionian Invasion is his plan! Sion's ressurection is his plan! Everything evil that has ever happened in Noxus can be traced back to the dynamic duo (trio?) of Swain and LeBlanc (and Vladimir).

  2. It doesn't take a genius to see that that comment he made wasn't serious in the slightest. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

Rito Staff8/1/2016, 10:03:33 AM2 votes

They could bring the Journal of Justice back, with some other name. I never read it all but I like the idea of opening the client and having a tab with "News from Runeterra" and reading a few lines that would add magic to the world.

There could be all sorts of things in there :3

Arakadia8/1/2016, 6:54:57 AM1 votes

It seems too black and white.

Lord Boltrix8/1/2016, 4:12:18 PM1 votes

You also forget one thing.

Mordekaiser laid the foundations (intentionally or not) for Noxus to be made.

And everything Mordekaiser-related is numero uno.

Dominick Destine8/2/2016, 4:46:57 AM1 votes

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originally Noxus wasn't purely on the (physical) might makes right maxim. It was, for better or worse, a social darwinistic meritocracy. It's why they allowed Morgana to live in their city, to just open a fucking bakery so she could survive, while Demacia and Kayle turned her away.

Wow that actually makes the old Noxus lore sound way more interesting.

It sucks that they chucked the old lore because most of it was really good....