Is Swain being remade into this 'weak mage scheming' archetype?

WestTiger·9/28/2014, 1:09:53 AM·12 votes·2,698 views

Okay, there's a certain difference between how Swain was treated/written about 2 years ago, and what has been written for him in the last year or so.

This is our first introduction to him in his Background/Story:

The earliest account of Swain's existence comes from a Noxian infirmary doctor's notes. According to them, Swain limped into the ward without cry or complaint: his right leg was snapped in half, with bone protruding from the skin

Normally a crippled boy would be turned away in shame from Noxus’ proud legion, but the records indicate his first designation was that of a ranking officer.

The men who've served under him (and survived) have remained in his charge with unshakable faith and loyalty. He leapt through the High Command's hierarchy, often ascending when superiors requested demotions to join his unit. A cunning strategist, Swain was decorated after every battle he fought, regularly hobbling in contemplation at the front of the assault.

His rise to power seemed unceasing until he was suddenly relegated to inactive status prior to the Ionian Invasion - a bewildering decision which reeked of bureaucratic subversion.

The impression we get is this: Swain is a badass. He got his limp when he was very young, and would have been expelled from the Noxian army but (and there's this big gap between when he was a boy and now he's the 50+ old man we have now) he was able to lead his troops to victory consistently, and his own troops believed in him with great 'faith and loyalty'. His raven powers don't even seem to factor in this backstory; it looks like he was simply one heck of a General that was a challenge to Darkwill's group because of his popularity and actual capability.

Then we get the refocus on Swain and Noxian politics when Kalamanda/Dominion was being released. I know about LeBlanc masquerading as Jarvan IV so that she could spark a conflict that made Swain look like the defender and not the aggressor. That's fine, that's in-character and makes a lot of cunning sense. The whole goal was to make Swain look good because Noxus hadn't been in an actual land-war with Demacia since the League was established. Swain looked like the only actual active General on the field, which increased his popularity back in Noxus even more. It also pulled Boram out of Noxus and made his assassination/disappearance easy.

But then, in the last Journal of Justice, we get the duel with Keiran, it's obviously LeBlanc helping him/taking Swain's place throughout the fight till the end. I just don't get why. Swain didn't even use his raven powers in that fight, which would have been badass and sealed his power status even more wouldn't it? Hell, if he turned into a giant demon raven and ate Keiran's lifefore/literally, I think that kind of impression would be pretty substantial in sealing his position. But instead, he's made out as a coward and making LeBlanc, of all people, take his place in the fight; and Darius is the one who deals the final blow.

Why? I don't get why in terms of the character's motivation and from a story consistency aspect this final duel was done this way. Well, except to 180 Swain's development somewhat and make him the 'cowardly weak' mage archetype, which isn't really supported by any of his past actions and deeds. He consistently seeks out a fight with Jarvan IV, even when he probably knows he'd lose. His in-game kit requires him to actually be in the thick of things and tanking damage. Heck, in the (officially unreleased) Dominion cinematic, did anyone notice he was NOT using his spells beyond turning into a giant raven when fighting Jarvan IV? He sapped some HP, and then CLAWED Jarvan IV directly! He isn't afraid of pain or physical fights.

Keiran as far as we know, doesn't have the necromancy powers of Boram Darkwill, and isn't someone with any particular skills. At best, he's probably like Darius or Fiora. Why wouldn't Swain just fight it out with him? We get one blurb in that same JoJ that apparently Keiran is a fighting prodigy, but nothing about this fact was mentioned before to build up Keiran like that. It's like the Champions are the X-Men and the other people on Runeterra are just civilians, normal people. I'm assuming Keiran is just a norm, so why wouldn't Swain just turn into a giant demon bird and eat him?

Even the name they gave to his latest skin is telling - Tyrant Swain. Yes, he does dominate his opponents and dissenters, but up till now, it's been stated that Swain is pretty damn popular with High Command (who weren't firmly in Darkwill's camp), with Darius who represents the lower Generals, and with the Noxian public who actually in-universe, watch his fights on the Summoner's Rift. The JoJ also kept writing how Swain's popularity was growing with just about everyone in Noxus. It's one thing if Swain had one small group with him that helped him seize control, but it's quite another that he was close to winning just based on popular vote. And with Noxus' particular philosophy, I think even if he started executing dissenters, they would see it as par for the course. What he has done or is doing isn't in Noxus culture actually seen as 'tyranny'. But the skin is titled that way because Riot has to establish him as a bad guy that even Noxus somehow no longer likes, even though everything else gives the indication that Noxians are/were just short of wearing 'Vote Swain' T-shirts.

But the bigger vibe I'm getting now, is that Riot is saying that using your brains is the 'coward's way', and to make Swain take part less and less in direct fights, so they can say he's conniving and scheming and all that. In the course of that, they pretty much disregard what other characters think of Swain. Darius chose to follow Swain, he doesn't want to rule, he wants Swain to rule, because he feels that Swain has the capability and the right qualities that Noxus needs. Darkwill was so freaking afraid of how capable Swain was he basically tried to nip his rise in the bud earlier, before the League of Legends made it so he had to pick a popular and powerful Noxian to represent them on Summoner's Rift.

And what has been written is that a lot of the accolades Swain received over the course of his backstory were well-deserved. He did lead his troops with distinction, he overcame a disability for years in a culture that might flat-out kill disabled people for all we know. He fought on Summoner's Rift, which broadcasted in-universe, and the Noxian public loves that he fought there since there was no more war with Demacia and this was the only way they could see fights.

The vibe now, is that Riot is saying that Swain deserves none of the achievements he received, because not using brute force is a the 'coward's way' somehow. And he wasn't even written this way until recently! I didn't like that he had LeBlanc tank for him basically in the duel, that's out-of-character! Why would a champion who has regularly fought with top-lane bruisers, like Jarvan IV, not fight a normal person like Keiran! Did Keiran have Ignite!?

It's a very stereotypical role that Swain's being pushed into now. Like previously, some of the stuff he and LeBlanc and everyone in his clique was doing was some Game of Thrones level of magnitude! I was so impressed with the dedication of the lore staff who did all the work on them for just about 3 years. I don't want a stereotypical brawn=good and brains=bad story. Not anymore.

Intelligence or brawn is a means to an end, they don't mean anything by themselves, they have no morality. But then you have Sion say to Swain that he "is no leader". Based on what? Just because Swain isn't built like a musclebound tank? If he can kill a musclebound tank, that's all that matters, even to Noxians. And Swain's probably one of the worse kind of mages to bring this stereotype into play, because as mentioned, his kit is close-ranged and he tanks hits. Literally, you couldn't have picked a worse kind of mage to label the 'hur dur you used brains' stereotype.

TLDR: STOP MAKING SWAIN INTO FREAKING JAFAR. I think Shere Khan is a more appropriate role.

22 Comments

SecretLore9/28/2014, 1:48:06 AM14 votes

Overall I think that Sion idea of strenght is simply more akin to brute strenght and while Swain is no crybaby,he is still a schemer and prefers to use tactical advantages to achieve victory,not just brute force(although he does use it if it is needed,which is why he revived sion in the first place)

It is more a clash of ideals,I mean even in his new Lore sion commented on how Swain did not show any weakness,despite his crippled leg.

Garentheon9/28/2014, 2:41:38 AM8 votes

Arent you assuming hes not this badass anymore. We just got one example of his many plots behind the scenes. I took this sion relaunch as an example of just one account on how Swain works behind the scenes. And I thought no less of him, nor did I feel his actions contradicted the Swain we all already know

LordHippoman9/28/2014, 1:45:38 AM7 votes

This is really, really nitpicky, I'm sorry. Swain has consistently been one of the best written characters, and he's using his resources, not being cowardly. Why do you care what Sion thinks of him? Swain has always been a schemer, otherwise he wouldn't have teamed up with the Black Rose, and Evaine "Lying is like, 90% of what I do" LeBlanc.

(Also what is with the Lore Forums now and Jafar? Clearly you're forgetting Scar. His song was way better, and he fits the complaint better anyway, because he doesn't do anything post-usurping.)

CupcakeTrap9/28/2014, 1:54:29 AM4 votes

It's not entirely clear where they're headed with the power level of Champions.

I myself subscribe to the "superhero" theory: part of my headcanon for Runeterra is that, every now and then, a person gets supercharged with cosmic energy and becomes kind of a demigod, in the classical sense. In my headcanon universe, Garen isn't just a really good swordsman who could defeat maybe three or four enemy warriors: he's a Hercules against whom an ordinary person simply has no chance. Similarly, the reason Riven survived the gas attack was that, well, she's superhuman, so poison that would be horribly and instantly fatal to normal humans harms but does not kill her.

This is a bit of a cartoony touch, but I like it, because it provides a fairly simple way to keep Champions at essentially the same power level. (You could handwave something about the Fields of Justice giving a bit of a handicap, as well, to even things out. Maybe that's what Summoner Morello is doing when he goes to adjust those power crystals in the basement and suddenly Irelia trips over a shrub during her match.)

Anyway, it's not inconceivable that Keiran Darkwill, described as a "master duelist" and favored to win the duel, has a similar superhuman "boost" but simply hasn't decided to enter the League. (There are all kinds of reasons why he might not.) Maybe he really is packing Ignite, so to speak: he's killed a lot of powerful mages, and he knows exactly how to counter Swain's powers. Swain's a brilliant general (I like to imagine him as the military version of Dr. House) and a powerful mage, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people who make a specialty out of dueling archmages and could take him in a 1v1 deathmatch.

I hadn't actually heard the bit about LeBlanc taking his place for the duel. Where's that from, again? I do agree it's weird. Meh. I guess I'll go with the theory that Keiran Darkwill had made special preparations against Swain specifically, and subbing in LeBlanc allowed him to be defeated without much risk.

My biggest problem with that: it means Swain is giving LeBlanc a trump card to play against him. If she revealed that he cheated to win that duel, he might lose legitimacy. (RELEASE SWAIN'S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOW!) I guess he might still go through with it if the danger were great enough, or if he were sufficiently convinced that he had equivalent dirt on LeBlanc, such that she wouldn't cross him.

Ironclad Dragon9/28/2014, 1:16:44 AM3 votes

Swain didn't fight Darkwill using his demonic form because Noxus is xenophobic, and using his powers would remind the populace he isn't human; that's pragmatic. But he didn't fight Darkwill at all because he didn't believe Darkwill was worthy enough for a duel. Using LeBlanc demonstrated to all that Swain has friends in high and low places.

GenoXx9/28/2014, 4:59:28 AM3 votes

No you're just reading too much into that

Pro Anïvïa9/28/2014, 8:39:00 AM3 votes

I think its still fitting. Swain isn't a mage that runs up and smashes burst damage down your throat. He's a kiting mage.

Mirage Night9/28/2014, 7:22:55 AM2 votes

I wonder if Swain was ever a practiced mage until after he usurped Darkwill's position and gained accessed to his necromantic research. It would explain why he had to use Leblanc in his fight with Kieran. Not because he couldn't use his powers, but because he did not have them yet. Thus if Keiran was indeed as good as a fighter as depicted, then Swain would not have had a chance against him in a physical fight.

Dreamspitter9/28/2014, 8:18:54 AM1 votes

TLDR: STOP MAKING SWAIN INTO FREAKING JAFAR. I think Shere Khan is a more appropriate role.

Just. As. Planned.

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Dan Squared10/1/2014, 7:35:47 AM1 votes

Swain is still a badass...he is such a badass that he doesn't even need to show how much a badass he is to beat you. He can just out-think and out-plan you so hard that any battle is merely a formality. That was what happened with Kieren.

With no major battles having happened since the failed occupation of Ionia (which Swain was not involved with) Kalamanda was the only theater that a Noxian commander could show themselves in. Swain arranged the conflict so that not only would Darkwill be drawn out for assassination, but also so that he would come out on top and be seen as a true contender for the top spot. His alliance with Darius and Leblanc gave him the support of a good portion of the military, as well as the subtle influence of the Black Rose, and the disappearance of General Du Conteau not only removed the a likely competitor for the throne, but also a potential ally of Darkwill.

All he had to do then was wait for the implusive Kieren to challenge him out in the open...which Swain would of course rig to make sure that he had no chance of losing. Kieren was Darkwills younger son and living in Noxus would of course have been a superb fighter. But it didn't matter because unlike Swain, he had no allies he could rely on, no resources other than his own personal strength. When the fight occurred, Swain simply had to let things play out, Leblanc assistance makes it seem that Swain effortlessly defeated the son of Darkwill...and with the open support of the Hand of Noxus, his rise to Grand General is guaranteed.

Could Swain have just straight up morphed and ate Kieren...perhapse, possibly even likely....but then that's him using his full power to defeat an opponent. Whats more impressive...Swain morphing into a giant demon bird and having an epic fight....or just casually popping up behind his opponent and nevermoving him to the floor with no real effort beyond dodging a bit early on. Sure one looks cooler, but the other makes it seem like the fight was never a real fight at all. which is what Swain wanted.

Now that he has the position, he needs more muscle to back it up. A symbol of old Noxian power, long forgotten by the people, rises and now serves the new grand general. Swain has the support of much of the military with Darius, he has the support of Noxus's secret society, and now he has this symbol...this undead unstoppable juggernaut to further cement his position. Some of this he might have been able to accomplish just by being a strong and powerful mage with a demonic raven...but by also being shrewd, clever, and patient...he accomplished it all.

What im curious about is the elder son of Boram...Draythe Darkwill. Where was he when his father died, why did he not vie for position as grand general? Was he killed? Did he see the writing on the wall and decide to step back and let Swain take over? Or was he wiser than his brother and instead of simply walking into a fight that was already lost and face certain defeat, instead fade into the shadows to plot his own way onto the Noxian throne. Waiting to find a way to out-smart Swain, avenge his father and brother, and claim his rightful position as Grand General of Noxus?

The Red Warden9/28/2014, 7:55:43 PM1 votes

In J4's judgement it shows how he did a direct assault on J4 and would have killed the prince until he was stopped by the league. That is really the only lore Riot has given us which shows Swain using his bird powers