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It's really unusual how there's so much fixtation on Varus and none of the other lore.

Weedbro··4 votes·646 views

There's all sorts of really bad writing in the lore if you look for it, but HUH....STRANGELY, all that people care about is the GAY DUDE. Oh, but that's just because they changed his lore!!!!!!! STRICTLY ONLY BECAUSE OF THAT.

Yeaaaah okay, if you want me to believe that, then how come there weren't these massive passionate discussions about lore before THE ONE AND ONLY GAY CHARACTER SHOWS UP? It's so fucking obvious and you all dance around and pretend "oh no I'm not a homophobe" well, shit guys.

From what I can see, you as a collective whole have never responded so energetically as you have been responding to Varus's lore change. What am I supposed to think when the one and only gay character causes a gigantic brouhaha of outrage amongst gamers, and meanwhile they aren't freaking out over every other straight character's lore? Honestly, how do I not parse that as homophobia?

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Catastrop6 votes

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Honestly, how do I not parse that as homophobia?

By taking off your homophobia goggles and realizing this has nothing to do with the gay couple.

Also, if you think THIS is the only time the community has ever been this outraged, you're either highly ignorant or blissfully unaware of what happens on these Boards(were you here for Galio's/Fiora's/literally any mass scale rework?).

Beyond Legends1 votes

Still wonder why you even bother lol. You didn't change trundle or galio or viktors lore. Why come back like sad puppy only to be kicked down again.

Iota Theta4 votes

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Still wonder why you even bother lol. You didn't change trundle or galio or viktors lore. Why come back like sad puppy only to be kicked down again.

Because we care. And so long as we care about the lore, we will keep voicing our opinion.

Beyond Legends1 votes

And what would that achieve? They're not going to turn back the clock for you regardless of how much you moan and complain.

It's been 3 years. Learn to let go m8

Iota Theta1 votes

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And what would that achieve? They're not going to turn back the clock for you regardless of how much you moan and complain.

It's been 3 years. Learn to let go m8

So long as people care, they will make their voices heard. The day they stop will be a sad day for the lore. Those who care are the reason Riot does the lore, and we hold out hope that they will actually get prior feedback from the community before making a change.

Let go? So..all lore feedback should be praise?

In fact, this all started when the snippet was accidentally released on the PBE, where Varus was revealed to be the Darkin’s name, and a Rioter told everyone to wait until the full lore was released before freaking out, saying they agonized over his lore. Doesn’t seem that way to the majority of Varus lore fans.

Waffletimewarp3 votes

Almost no one cares about the gay couple my friend. It's just an unlucky coincidence.

It's the same reaction as with Trundle, Poppy, Galio and Karma. Riot too a character that was completely or mostly serviceable lore or gameplay wise, only needing a couple of tweaks to fit and butchered them, replacing them with what could have been more compelling as a new champion entirely.

Varus was compelling as a champion as the man with literally nothing to lose. Now he's just a mess since Riot forced three people into an established champion and I personally can't be arsed to even remember all the names, almost like the whole Atreus/pantheon deal.

resumed2 votes

theres literally a thread sitting at +105 thats a (very pathetic) man complaining that theyre gay because hes married. yet you make this post saying "almost" nobody cares. bitch its the hottest topic in this section of the boards. what kind of delusions are you convincing yourself of that you can say that nobody cares its about the fact that theyre gay. you're absolutely wrong, all this is over a gay character

here is LITERALLY a quote from that thread "Now what is he? A darkin of revenge that fused two gay lovers together and wants to kill everybody. Wow. What depth."

the same thing happened to tracer, and theres literally no difference between the groups that are objecting to the gay characters.

dm me your dealer ? i need some of whatever youre on

Quepha2 votes

He's not complaining that they're gay. If you actually read the post it's clear that his problem is that Varus is no longer a man who's family died. That emotional reaction to losing your family is what that guy connected with and now it's gone. It doesn't matter what Riot replaced it with, and he would still have the same reaction. If it was the hunters Val and Juliet who entered the pit, he would be exactly as upset just without having to have a paragraph explaining that he's not a homophobe.

Conversely, if Riot had instead changed it so the new character was Varus who's husband and their adopted son had died at home, this guy would probably have little to no complaints at all because the core of what he liked about the story would remain.

resumed2 votes

i did actually read his post, but am i going to finish reading yours knowing that you didn't read me quoting at you? nope. i read what he said, and i showed you how he's a homophobe with direct quotes. and here you are, expecting me to read what you said even though you didnt read what i said

i hope you did some stretching before you tried that reach

Quepha1 votes

How is that statement homophobic? It's just a literal summary of what the new Varus is.

resumed2 votes

if you cant tell that hes demeaning and diminishing the romance between them then you're absolutely not paying attention

i suggest you read his post all the way through. this time actually thinking about it

Queenpin2 votes

Respectfully Resumed, I disagree. I think your seeing hate where there is none.

The poster you're referring to is upset with the new lore because new Varus hasn't lost anyone. In the old lore he was driven by the grief and anger of loosing his family, and those emotions allowed him to be corrupted by the weapon and driven to a singular focus of exacting vengeance. In the new lore Val still has family and lover, he can't be corrupted by a lust for vengeance because Kai isn't lost. He's still there to say things like

"I love you!" "What would your mother think?" "You are better than this."

And so on and so forth.

Darius Strada2 votes

Bullshit. Everytime there's a lore change there's talk about it like in Burning Tides and Ahri.

Quepha2 votes

All of this started when the short form was pushed to the PBE before there was a whiff of sexuality tied to the story. There was only a calm before the release of the video because Riot asked people to hold back their criticism until the full lore release. It is literally impossible for that criticism to be about homosexuality because it didn't even occur to people at the time that the two hunters could be gay.

Now, why did this lore change receive such a strong reaction while no one is talking about the other lore changes?

  1. The fact that there was a music video tied to this lore change meant that it was more public than most lore changes so more of the playerbase became informed of it and could then complain about it.

  2. It's completely impossible to talk about other lore changes during any period except directly after right when it happens because not enough of the boards users care about the lore of any specific champion. Any thread made falls right off the front page and is left to die.

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