A small thing that just occurred to me about Garen

ForgottenLuck··13 votes·900 views

In the Demacia event, we got the short story, For Demacia, which hinted at a connection to Nocturne (though it never openly states it, it is quite simple to decipher it is him), a creature made of fear and darkness. Though interesting it suddenly hit me with Garen's taunt "Fear is the first of many foes.", leading me to believe that Garen came with this saying after the incident.

Also I find that this can be quite interesting since in my opinion Garen's ARC in the lore is quite simply his fear, I don't mean to insult him in any way, but it was heavily implied his fear and suspicion of Lux being one of magic, and how Garen needs to be constantly denying the fact over and over again. That plus the fact of his, though not yet stated, feelings for Katarina, another being of magic and from Noxus no less. Having to choose between his loyalties and responsibility to his home and what he feels is the right choice, makes this one line a lot more interesting than I originally believed.

It is interesting how this Line seems to be more important than just a random taunt and I wonder if RIOT took it into consideration in his lore.

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Fasmodey8 votes

Katarina has no magical powers. She could teleport in her old gameplay but now she just moves ''very fast'', so fast it is blink type.

ForgottenLuck2 votes

From my understanding, Katarina still uses magic, like her sister Cassiopeia, different in form but in the end still magic, though its true that simply spinning doesn't sound magical I will need to wait for the Noxus event to hear if they ultimately decided to change it, though at the moment I can't say I agree with you on the fact that she doesn't use Magic.

Fasmodey7 votes

Cassiopeia got his magical powers from the Curse of the Stone Serpent that was guarding Tomb of the Emperors. Without it she would be a normal, non magical, rich, noxian woman.

ForgottenLuck2 votes

I am pretty sure she had magical powers before the curse, though I do find it fair to say that I can't find anything in the lore to counter any of our arguments, except for one thing. she was part of a noble family in Noxus, much like Swain, Elise, Leblanc, Vladimir, all are noble and have magic powers, that plus the current division that is being held in Noxus about their feelings to Magic and their Culture (just take a look at Sion, and what he say's about magic) it is the only real thing I can tell you led me to believe that the Du Couteau do possess magic.

Valor Bot4 votes

The Du Couteau family is only prominent for being the best blademasters in Noxus. Sure, this could go hand in hand with magic, but it's never been explicitly stated or hinted at in the lore, so there's no real reason to believe they have any. Katarina is just a really agile assassin -- the kind of fast that somewhat exceeds realism, which is what leads her to appear magical when she is actually just super fast.

ForgottenLuck1 votes

I mean... no real reason to believe it ain't no? I will need proof or an official statement from the Lore or RIOT to believe that it ain't magic. Also, I believe she still possesses the teleportation abilities in her Lore, though again she still possesses her old Lore and until the coming Noxus event it is a bit outdated, I can't say I agree with you.

Epicurus

Kat doesn't use mana. Thus no magic. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ForgottenLuck2 votes

I mean.... Shen doesn't use mana and what he does is magic, and would you call Darius or Sion magic casters?

Epicurus4 votes

You are correct. Mana is an in-game gating mechanic, and doesn't hold much weight in the lore. My comment was facetious.

That being said, magic users are very rare in Runeterra, even though it's overrepresented in the cast of champions. For Kat to be a magician would be quite significant in her lore. I've heard a theory that Katarina's daggers are magical weapons, even though Kat herself isn't magic. Kind of like Riven.

Personally the evidence I use regarding Katarina's mundanity is her appearance in "A New Dawn". That video, in my opinion, shows lore-accurate (or at least close to accurate) representations of the champions, which is why Ahri's charm is so subtle and Nautilus is actually useful. Kat show no magical abilities in that video, unlike in "A Twist of Fate".

Also Sion is absolutely a magic caster, even if he doesn't realise it. That soul furnace in his chest is just for decoration. And Shen is techinically not magic, or at least "ordinary" magic. Dead right with Darius though.

ForgottenLuck5 votes

Ehhh I would say Sion is not so much a "magic-caster" as he is now a magic device, he doesn't really use magic nor control it as a human can control the beat of their own heart, and as for Shen RIOT did confirm that the spirit sword he uses and his technic is a type of magic, spirit magic to be exact, and I would say that counts.

As for A New Dawn and Kat I still can't agree with you on the fact that she doesn't use magic until I get actual Lore or RIOT answer into this. At the moment, most clues IN the lore point to her and her family being able to use magic, from coming from a noble house in Noxus were seeming all the other Nobles use magic, to the current rift in Noxus with Magic and her standing I can't say I agree with peoples belief that she doesn't use magic, though, like I said before, if one can hand me some lore tidbit about her not being magical, I will admit defeat.

Plus, though I agree the cinematics are nice and all, and I get your point, I still wouldn't say that they are good standing points for an argument.

Itsbeghdev1 votes

Vlad got his powers from some dude who might have been just sorta lending them to Vlad until he made him kill him, Elise got hers from Vilemaw, Swain wasn't of any sort of high birth judging from how, quote, "The earliest account of Swain's existence comes from a Noxian infirmary doctor's notes. According to them, Swain limped into the ward[...]". And we don't really know that much about LeBlanc.

ForgottenLuck1 votes

True on the point of Vlad but do keep in mind he was made into a Noble when the High Command saw what he did to the guards. I also feel like, Vlad, as well as many other Noxus lore at the moment, is a bit outdated, and feel like until the coming Noxus event, we should wait on the new upcoming lore to hear about their view on magic.

As for Elise, I know it kinda sounds like she didn't have Magic in her lore until the spider bites, but I would counter the argument, with then why did the Black Rose find interest in her? By the point then, her house had fallen into obscurity and she became isolated, she brought nothing to the table yet THEY were the ones that wanted her. I would say that is enough to believe that she did possess magic, or at least the kindling of magic in her.

Now I can imagine one argument you might possess that if she had magic why she stabs her husband, and I will simply say since she was under the influence of grueling and agonizing poison, and in Garen's short story, we see how magic can still be beaten by ordinary means, as how the witch even confirms that he didn't even need to negotiate since he could simply kill her. I find it might be difficult to use magic under the effects of the poison.

And I agree with you on Swain, since I am really eager to read his updated lore since we have no real clue on him yet one thing that you should keep in mind is that he is an extremely poetic person, this not really common of commoners and is more usual towards Noble houses.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

We don't know that. Her lore is outdated, and never talked about her abilities beyond being an assassin.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

You might be thinking too deeply into the line, but you are correct with Garen. His whole character arc seems to be the struggle against fear, he is after all the Dauntless Vanguard (if that's still a thing)

GenoXx1 votes

Katarina's family isn't magical.....at all. They were famed assassins that work with blades, Katarina is just pretty fast thats all. CAss got her abilities from shurima......

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