Necrit Darkin theory video

Blood Magicks··6 votes·1,421 views

Alright this stuff is solid watch to get hype.

Yes there is a lotta Swain and Shurima in there.

26 Comments

Sharjo7 votes

Not a theory I really agree with for a few reasons.

  • What pool exists in Noxus? The Immortal Bastion? We've never heard of such a thing.
  • There's no indication that there's a conection between the Pit of Pallas and the two fonts of life giving waters we've seen thus far. There's been no information given that the waters in the pit are of a similar kind to those of the Oasis or Blessed Isles pools.
  • Necrit assumes that Varus's comment about blood magic implies an allegience between humans and darkin, when blood magic might've been learned via observation or study just as, if not more logically.
  • Necrit assumes a lot about Aatrox's motivations when his intro paragraph clearly states he's out for revenge. He lacks any noble goal concerning humanity as far as any direct information we have says.
  • The whole theory is built on the idea that the darkin world was dying because of the Void. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas; the darkin world might've been dying for other reasons, and as of yet we have no reason to suspect that anything bad is happening on the darkin's homeworld. Varus's comment about being "all but extinct" could be reffering to casualties from the war. He hasn't seen his kind in a long, long time, so what does he kow about the state of his home world? The dying world thing I can understad, but linking the Void in to it as well is a stretch since there are other explanations, like the darkin themselves or even the wild use of magic by humans. Hell, maybe Targon even had a part to play. Many more explanations available than pinnig it to the Void.
  • A BIG one for me; it's SUPER unlikely that the sister was in the Tomb of the Emperors. For one, considering the timeline Necrit himself shows, the tomb would've been sealed with Xerath and Renekton in it at the time, and the Chalicar would've been sealed away too, making it just about impossible to open. Then there's also the simple fact of the newly flowing rivers potentially having opened this particular tomb up. I find it super unlikely this tomb was anywhere near the City of Shurima.
  • Necrit's doesn't think the Chalicar is a darkin, but at the same time that's obvious since the Chalicar predates the darkin war by way of the above timeline, and Necrit should know this. The darkin are imprisoned in their own weapons.

I might have more thoughts later but for now that's what I've got.

Whyte Lyon6 votes

I find it funny that, even though Necrit has an entire Discord of lore theorists/ enthusiasts, yet he still somehow misinterpreted the prison Varus visited as the Tomb of the Emperors and no one corrected him on it.

Also, how on earth did Necrit and his lackeys conclude that the Darkin's point of origin was consumed by the Void? He just talks it up as if it's explicitly mentioned in lore, to my memory it is not. Or he's just pushing a theory for legitimacy with no evidence to back it up.

Yeah I have to say, I would only ever watch Necrit for his wild assumptions and how much obvious shit him and his group misinterpret.

Kelb4n2 votes

See my answer to your posts.

Necrozard2 votes

"though Necrit has an entire Discord of lore theorists/ enthusiasts,"

We have no impact on what Necrit decide to put in his videos, only him decides.

"how on earth did Necrit and his lackeys conclude that the Darkin's point of origin was consumed by the Void?"

"much obvious shit him and his group misinterpret."

Im very active on this server (like daily) And i found absolutly no marks of this theory being discussed there

Whyte Lyon2 votes

That's unfortunate to hear. Based on previous videos I've seen, Necrit makes it sound like he collaborates with his Discord to help build these theories. I only assumed that he would socialize there often. Perhaps to do some fact checking or maybe at least get a few second opinions. Evidently he needs to be more open with his Discord as I'm sure someone there would have pointed out the primary flaws for him.

Potzerus1 votes

You could always swing by if you'd like its open to anyone who wants to join

Necrozard1 votes

It's more like we gather information, try to help him and meme a lot. In general we do not interfere in the process of video-making, that's his content.

"at least get a few second opinions."

Yeah that would be ideal, but i think we're just under 1000 people. Hard to do.

I think this theory was created during a voicechat (i never participate or hear voicechats) So i have no idea what happened

Tesla Effect2 votes

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I think this theory was created during a voicechat (i never participate or hear voicechats) So i have no idea what happened

If its during voicechat, then he really sucks and promoting the time when they are happening. Also limiting it to certain people would hinder the amount of sources one could extract from...this is why chat seems rather more useful.

Necrozard1 votes

he really sucks

That's not really fair to blame Necrit for trying to organize an active event where people can participate.

A long time ago, I accepted deep inside me that i gotta live without a good microphone.

why chat seems rather more useful.

True, that's why we still use them the majority of the time

Tesla Effect2 votes

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That's not really fair to blame Necrit for trying to organize an active event where people can participate.

A long time ago, I accepted deep inside me that i gotta live without a good microphone.

True, that's why we still use them the majority of the time

Posting a youtube video about a future event or having specific dates for livestreams for such theory crafting or lore explanations can do wonders. If he does this with a small circle of people then it will lead to a less accurate predition. You need input from a lot of reliable sources (sources that do know the lore) to help with this. Otherwise the issues will be brought up just like they were on this thread. I for one never even heard of him doing voicechats with fans or anything so interactive, he never posts anything about future interactions on his youtube or discord page at all, and by the time I see some info about it, its already over.

Potzerus3 votes

It seems that this Theory was mostly discussed in voicechat and thusly lacked input from about 90% of the Server [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Necrozard1 votes

Haaaaaaaaa that's why !

I literally never voicechat :v

GreenLore3 votes

Yeah he really likes to jump to conclusions,which is why I generally don't give much about his theories.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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I find it funny that, even though Necrit has an entire Discord of lore theorists/ enthusiasts, yet he still somehow misinterpreted the prison Varus visited as the Tomb of the Emperors and no one corrected him on it.

Also, how on earth did Necrit and his lackeys conclude that the Darkin's point of origin was consumed by the Void? He just talks it up as if it's explicitly mentioned in lore, to my memory it is not. Or he's just pushing a theory for legitimacy with no evidence to back it up.

Yeah I have to say, I would only ever watch Necrit for his wild assumptions and how much obvious shit him and his group misinterpret.

Necrit does all this theory crafting without much input from fans on his discord server. To be frank I never even see him duscuss anything with them on the main discussion boards there. He just posts his stuff and leaves.

I mean he made a huge mistake in postulating that current Volibear in lore doesnt look like te in-game model, when in fact he was shown in Ornns promo art to be the exact same appearance as the in-game model (and his source is from a description of Volibear after a battle, quite a lot of time ago that he would have time to heal).

Garentheon5 votes

This video proves how unreliable and uncredible this person is. 10/10 would never recommend him

Kelb4n4 votes
  1. "What pool exists in Noxus? The Immortal Bastion? We've never heard of such a thing." -Sharjo, please read Mordekaiser's lore.
  2. The whole thing about Aurelion does only slightly weaken the fact that they were around the universe before attacking runeterra AND it could have happened millenia before Aurelion's visit to runeterra as far as I know.
  3. All the points that say "it is just a theory" don't tell anything because it is in fact just a theory. Nobody ever said something else. This includes the "the darkin planet was being consumed by the void".
  4. About the buried Rhaast thing: It was not clearly stated that Rhaast was found, just that he was brought to the capital. He could have been buried for some time because someone thought it would be safer than in the immortal bastion.
  5. The tomb Varus visited clearly was the tomb of the emperors since it mentions snake carvings (like in Sivir's/Cassiopeia's lore) and it makes sense because it obviously contained healing waters.
  6. The tomb of the emperors could have been re-opened to put the darkin into it, considering that maybe Renekton and Xerath were in a seperate chamber, which would make sense in my opinion because you would not want the corpse of the emperor in the same chamber as the most powerful destructive being you know about.

Don't watch theory videos if you only want confirmed information. Even after reading the comments here I see nothing in Necrit's video that is wrong lore wise. The theory fits well into the universe.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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  1. "What pool exists in Noxus? The Immortal Bastion? We've never heard of such a thing." -Sharjo, please read Mordekaiser's lore.
  2. The whole thing about Aurelion does only slightly weaken the fact that they were around the universe before attacking runeterra AND it could have happened millenia before Aurelion's visit to runeterra as far as I know.
  3. All the points that say "it is just a theory" don't tell anything because it is in fact just a theory. Nobody ever said something else. This includes the "the darkin planet was being consumed by the void".
  4. About the buried Rhaast thing: It was not clearly stated that Rhaast was found, just that he was brought to the capital. He could have been buried for some time because someone thought it would be safer than in the immortal bastion.
  5. The tomb Varus visited clearly was the tomb of the emperors since it mentions snake carvings (like in Sivir's/Cassiopeia's lore) and it makes sense because it obviously contained healing waters.
  6. The tomb of the emperors could have been re-opened to put the darkin into it, considering that maybe Renekton and Xerath were in a seperate chamber, which would make sense in my opinion because you would not want the corpse of the emperor in the same chamber as the most powerful destructive being you know about.

Don't watch theory videos if you only want confirmed information. Even after reading the comments here I see nothing in Necrit's video that is wrong lore wise. The theory fits well into the universe.

Aurelion has been around basically since the beginning of time, right? So, its safe to say that he knows about the story of his universe.

Once that said, the quote of his lore that i made is from the times where Aurelion was in Mt Targon, so, it happened after his first visit to Runeterra and not a millenia before that.

Anyways is a tiny detail that, as you said only slightly weakens the theory.

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And the thing about the Tomb of the Emperors: Assuming that its the same place only because both places have snake statues is not enough evidence to say that is "clearly the same place"... The Video "Descent into the Tomb" shows the actual tomb and there are no statues of crocodiles (Renekton) and jackals(Nasus).

Anyways... Why the Tomb of Emperors would have statues of Renekton and Nasus in first place? They are not emperors, and it would be weird to put statues of generals that are alive in the Tomb of the Emperors if the statues where put there before the fall of Shurima. If the statues were put afterwards... by who? and why put a statue of Nasus?

Also, its important to mention that the story of Varus decribes the place was in a "ruined city", but we know that the City of Shurima is not in ruins anymore (and it would make no sense for the theory if the story of Varus happened before the ressurection of Azir).

Oh, and the story of Varus do not mentions the traps that were in the Tomb of Emperors and that thing was full of traps... instead, it mentions Warding sigils.... and those were not mentioned in the lore of the Renekton, Sivir, Xerath or Cassiopeia as far as i remember.

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PS: About the point "6)" Renekton and Xerath were in the same chamber, that is not even debatable since Renekton threw himself to the tomb with Xerath and Xerath corrupted his mind during the imprisonment because they were together in the tomb. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/17/Fall_of_the_Empire_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140914004815

Sharjo6 votes
  1. I have, and there is no pool. None at all. Before chiding me for not knowing my stuff, explain to me what I missed, because I know Morde's lore. I've read his bio. There's no pools of restorative water. Explain to me why my thinking is incorrect.
  2. In regards to the timing of the darkin's invasion; Aurelion Sol visited Runeterra when the Sun Disc was being constructed, thus putting it before Shurima's fall. Meanwhile Varus remembers Shurima as a desert, but arrives to find rivers, putting the short story "Dark Kin" after Azir's resurrection, and putting the Darkin Wars post Shurima's fall.
  3. That's fair, but that doesn't make said theories immune to criticism.
  4. Kayn's lore clearly states Rhaast was "unearthed by Noxus". It was also being transported too the capital, and thus towards the Immortal Bastion, meaning Noxus thought it was safer closer to their seat of power rather than anywhere else.
  5. So every Shuriman tomb can have Nasus and Renekton statues, but only the Tomb of the Emperors can have snake statues? Not like there's the potential for there to have been a legendary Ascended hero who had the form of a snake? Also the tomb was empty. It contained no water. The river flowing by the tomb came from the Oasis in the capital yes, but this tomb was likely much further away, unlike the Tomb of the Emperors, which is in the City of Shurima.
  6. No it couldn't; the key was gone. No one had the means to open it as far as we know, and the tomb was imprisoning Xerath. If the warrior queen could open it, then Xerath likely could have, meaning that if she had opened it to shove the darkin inside, Xerath surely would've escaped before then. Plus why put a darkin weapon anywhere near where Xerath is sealed away? Then there's also the point of the city and tomb being lost to time, the tomb being nowhere near the, at that point, dried up Oasis, and also the fact that if "Dark Kin" took place in the City of Shurima, then there'd be other things to consider like why Azir wasn't doing anything about a darkin in his city.

The theory has flaws, simple as. We're discussing said flaws.

Ebonmaw Dragon3 votes

Aside from all the holes that were already pointed out by Sharjo and Whyte Lyon... There is one tiny detail about Rhaast that Necrit forgot: Rhaast was found burried in Noxus, not inside of a well with water and blood was never mentioned in his awakening as far as i know.

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Also, about the Void:

I think that Runeterra is the first planet of their universe that makes contact with the Void... Why do you ask? Because Aurelion Sol. In his lore, he finds a portal towards the Void or something like that... and he hears a laugh comming from there. What about it? Well... When he hears the laugh, looks at the void beast and the portals, he does not say "Oh man, that is the Void, the thing that has destroyed other planets before"... no, what he says is "... the Voidborn don't know how things work in this universe" that means that they are new in that universe and after that he says "... whatever intelligence that controls this Void incursion" wich means, again, that the void is just entering to their dimenssion.

Necrozard1 votes

"Rhaast was found burried in Noxus,"

I tought he was found outside of Noxus, then transported back to Noxus (Kayn stole Rhaast during the trip) Is that right ?

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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I tought he was found outside of Noxus, then transported back to Noxus (Kayn stole Rhaast during the trip) Is that right ?

Well... the lore says "to seek out a darkin weapon recently unearthed in Noxus"... maybe it was in Noxian territory and not the Noxian City itself but my point is that Rhaast was found while digging/underground and not in a well.

But as Ninja0Heaven pointed out, maybe Rhaast was burried for some reason after he left the "well" of the theory.

Necrozard1 votes

Alright, thanks for the clarifications !

Malicious Metal3 votes

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of everything having to be explained with the Void, it devalues actual threats and just makes the lore seem bland if everything links back to 'em voidborn.

Harryzmatyczny1 votes

It's a pretty nice theory done from a scrap. But yet, still a theory. Not sure why you get so A N G E R Y Darius over it.

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