Zoe made it much more clear of what i want to see in Swain

Oakleaf Ranger··13 votes·2,200 views

When people started comparing her to a character akin to something like Disney, I began to think about my favorite Disney villains and realized some of things I wanted to see in Swain based on them.

A lot of Disney villain characters share similar attributes but a lot of them have certain traits that are much more prominent about them among the others.

Three villains in particular highlight 3 of the traits I want to see in Swain.

http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/dr-facilier-the-princess-and-the-frog-26.7.jpg Dr. Facilier

His best trait (aside from his voodoo skills) is his ability to get his way or convince others with his words alone. While he is cunning, it is his incredible ability to sweet talk his way to getting what he wants to be most prominent and impressive skill. I always imagined Swain was similar to this in his way with words. Raw power alone can accomplish many things. But working with and potentially against cutthroat elites of Noxus requires a lot more tactfulness then simple displays of power in my mind.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lionking/images/1/11/Scar-HD.png/revision/latest?cb=20160905044045 Scar

Dr. Facilier and Scar are very similar but I think what separates the two is that Scar relies on his cunning more than his charisma by comparison. Scar accomplishes many of his goals through calculated plans. He uses charisma when needed and as icing on the cake to make his plans come to fruition but didn't overly rely on it and preferred planning when it was a option. This is the type of mindset I think that applies to Swain but unlike Scar, he can/does turn on the charm on the level of Dr.Facilier, this is not to say Scar cant be charming himself though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/6/64/Judge_Frollo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160610141323 Claude Frollo

The one trait that I think fits Swain perfectly from Claude Frollo is his confidence in everything does. I hope they manage to capture that sense of confidence in Swain but without being overly arrogant as Frollo was.

19 Comments

Epicurus12 votes

Are you also hoping that Swain will burst into song (sinister, but still catchy) while monologuing? Because I am.

Oakleaf Ranger10 votes

only if its as smooth and catchy as Dr.Facilier's. Anything less is unacceptable and will not be tolerated

TheGreatRasputin4 votes

Not even something like Hellfire?

Oakleaf Ranger3 votes

I loved Hellfire. It is a great in its own right. But both songs create different impressions. Hellfire fills you with dread at how determined he is at getting what he wants by any means. Unlike Dr.Facilier's who lures you in and tries to convince you to go along with his plan with honey soaked words and charisma.

Epicurus4 votes

Personally I prefer Scar's "Be Prepared".

HalfTangible2 votes

I'm hoping for something closer to Be Prepared than Friends on the Other Side, honestly.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Be prepared makes the most sense of the 3 but I find Friends on the other side has a more catchy sinister tone to it. Unless of course you really want to sell that ruthless aspect of Swain, where Hellfire would make more sense.

Johnny El Rojo1 votes

Oh, god. It just came to my mind an image of Swain lusting over Katarina the same way Frollo did over Esmeralda.

Ache3 votes

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Oh, god. It just came to my mind an image of Swain lusting over Katarina the same way Frollo did over Esmeralda.

Swain : Like daggers, sinister daggers, piercing me through my soul. Death Lotus, my flower, YOU ARE MINE OR YOU WILL.... Leblanc she shunpo'd away. the assassin has escaped. SwainDeCRAP~~(ify).~~

Friendly Ram4 votes

Hades is still my most memorable villain for me. How he is always putting on a show is just so much fun to watch.

Dreddeth4 votes

It's funny you would compare Swain to Frollo, because he takes after another carrion bird: the vulture. It's mostly reflective in his actions against the disadvantaged and downtrodden Romani, referred to as "gypsies" in the movie, but you can see hints of it in his appearance too. He's got a bald(ing) head, a beak-like nose and chin, and a white collar on his billowy black robe that makes his arms look like wings.

Another similarity I'd point out is that both of them aren't just manipulative and cunning, but also absolutely driven and completely ruthless. In Swain's case, the objects of his desire are the position of High Commander and later (presumably) Noxus' global dominance. In Frollo's case, the objects of his desire are the eradication of the Romani and later Esmeralda.

Both end up doing irredeemable things in their attempts to obtain these, such as letting Singed loose in Ionia, or burning down Paris, because in their callousness they simply cannot settle for anything that might leave them with less than what they desire, preferring instead to utterly dominate their enemies, no matter the cost.

Oakleaf Ranger2 votes

in the old former canon lore, Swain wasn't the one who allowed Singed to run amok. Whether he would have let Singed use his weapons or not is something I can not say. But yah I agree with everything else and feel this adds much more context onto why I feel the traits of Frollo suit Swain well.

Hexs Fortune4 votes

Disney had some really memorable villains back in the day.

Tenth Leper3 votes

Enjoyed the read. I don't disagree. Have an upvote [katarina-love]

FireSpartan203 votes

I feel like I want Swain to be more like Magneto from X-Men.

MysterQ1 votes

None of those fit my view of Swain (but I never read lore).

My view of Swain

hunchback of notre-dame (quazi moto)

Dude makes me think of an old man with back/hip/leg problems. He is crippled and walks slowly and only plays with birds. The exact opposite of sly, cunning, charming, and confident in my head.

TheDapperDespot2 votes

What? You've never played Swain, have you? xD

MysterQ2 votes

I have played him. That is how I know he limps.

AetherArising6 votes

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None of those fit my view of Swain (but I never read lore).

My view of Swain

hunchback of notre-dame (quazi moto)

Dude makes me think of an old man with back/hip/leg problems. He is crippled and walks slowly and only plays with birds. The exact opposite of sly, cunning, charming, and confident in my head.

Read the lore. He's a fucking badass.

"The earliest account of Swain's existence comes from a Noxian infirmary doctor's notes. According to them, Swain limped into the ward without cry or complaint; his right leg was snapped in half, with bone protruding from the skin. A small, scowling bird seemed affixed to his shoulder. The doctor gawked in horror as the young adolescent answered questions about his health and age with a calm, even stare. Even behind the echoing crack as the sand counterweights reset his tibia, Swain's measuring gaze never flickered, nor did his eyes twitch from the pop of his fibula. He refused the doctor's recommendation of magical treatment for the leg's inoperable damage, requesting only a spare crutch before shuffling away."

Here's the TL;DR, He walked into a hospital with his leg brutalized, and didnt give a flying fuck. He didnt flinch, nor his eyes twitch away, and then he asked for a cane and walked the hell away

''If you haven't yet lost the ability to ask, you may not yet ask for relief.'' -Swain

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