I think only Xayah and Rakan can be considered street level. Can we have more toned down champions like that please?
Jhin proved that you don’t have to have power level over 9000 to be intriguing and successful.
UnboundHades2 votesornn strong?
ChunLii2 votesLore wise? Very
Sharjo1 votesAnd the majority of champions aren't on that level. League's been missing out on actually uber powerful champions for years, it wasn't until really 2015 that anyone ridiculously uber lore powerful was unveiled (Bard, Kindred).
I mean let's look:
((Insert Zoe here)
Like really those are the ubers. Then everyone else is below that. 10/139.
Beyond Legends1 votesIs pantheon that powerfuk? I don't think atreus host can beat xerath, it seem that while pantheon does wipe the memory of his host, he doesn't seem to micromanage them.
Sharjo1 votesI'm more speaking to Pantheon by himself, who exists in a similar capacity to Zoe providing she and he are the same kind of being. They'd presumably be on a similar power level.
Warlord Dienekes1 votesEh. This argument seems pretty off.
For years every champion was all just “street superhero” because they were all supposed to be fighting each other.
But now the lore has taken a decidedly overpowered step. Since Kindred and Sol some street levels have been completely rewritten to become demigods. Volibear and Pantheon being the most obvious examples.
But even all the Ascended, they were originally just strong aliens. Now read the completely ridiculous shit Xerath pulls in his fight and some of the insane damage Nasus shrugs off. That’s not street level heroics anymore. And Sion is said to be able to knock over 300 tons when all he was written as was just a tough zombie that couldn’t die. Then all the yordles became immortal fey. And the actual demons who (if Kench is to be believed) have some time control powers and are practically immortal. That’s damn strong.
Oh forgot Malphite. Whos now mountain sized or something.
Then there are the other “ancient magic evils” Xerath being already mentioned, but Liss is one as well, and so are the darkin supposedly.
And this has all happened in just the last two years, where almost (but not quite every) lore update involves these demigods.
I, in general, don’t like demigods (Ornn being the only exception thus far, mostly because of his personality more than that he’s a demigod). I’d rather have more soldiers and commanders, politicians and scientists.
Beyond Legends1 votesXerath have always been busted though, the only reason why he didn't seem as strong was only because summoners were basicly bunch of deus ex machina.
Also since when did tahm had time control.
Warlord Dienekes1 votesXerath would have been busted but he was on everyone else’s playing field because of the sarcophagus.
Tahm mentions in his VO to Ekko that “time is a river and I go where I please” or something. Implying that he too can move around the timeline. So time control was too strong a description. But implied time travel fits better. Of course he could just be lying or Riot can decide if they don’t want him to have this ability.
Sharjo3 votesAgain we kind of stand as opposites, since I'm of the opinion that in a magical setting, making the most of that magic is what should be done. I'd rather have less soldiers, commanders, politicians and scientists when I can have ancient races, demi-gods, time travellers, demons, cosmic entities, etc. It's the League of Legends, after all, I pretty much expect the characters to be extraordinary. It's why my least favourite champion is Ezreal; he's the least extraordinary character on the block and is also quite an arse personality wise.
It's not like you're wrong or I'm wrong; it's more a question of taste. 2015 was a great year League wise for me because the champion releases were Bard, Tahm Kench, Illaoi and Kindred, all who bring something super mystical to the table. my personal take is that League's got enough relatively normal humans (for a magical world) that having an influx of mega powerful entities dropped in is a welcome breath of fresh air. I can see why that's not appealing to others; it's hard to relate to Bard, Kindred or Tahm Kench for instance, but given my own thoughts it's what I stand by.
I'll take god-like over street superhero any day of the week.
Warlord Dienekes2 votesI mean yeah it’s called league of legends. Not league of myths.
Legends were often about kings, warriors, thieves, and battles. Made a bit larger than life of course. Arthur was probably just a Welsh general, the siege of Troy didn’t involve the gods throwing boulders at each other. Roland’s paladins were probably just housecarls. But they were still about people.
Whatever. We can both at least still agree there needs to be more trolls, right?
Sharjo3 votesWhatever. We can both at least still agree there needs to be more trolls, right?
Absoluetly. More trolls are needed. The Troll King needs more subjects/rivals/confidantes.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesI think that list misses some.
if Galio is uber, then this one should be as well
if it turns out that he really is a demigod like many assume now
if you count Pantheon, then these should too
Sharjo1 votesMalphite I'll give you because wow how did I forget malphite.
Rammus is to big of a question mark right now.
Diana, Taric and Leona are the humans, not the denizens of Targon. I mentioned Pantheon and Zoe specifically since they're the cosmic alien people with phenomenal powers.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesWait, Pantheon's body still is just a possessed host, isn't it? Is it mentioned somewhere that just overwriting Atreus' personality with his own was transferring all of Pantheon's powers as well?
And I believe strongly that Rammus gets reworked into the Shuriman earthquake demigod of OKness! [sg-kiko]
Beyond Legends1 votesWell I assume there are a bunch of pantheon's across the world of targonian space empire.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesThey were generally focusing alot on the supernatural side of league the last time. I hope the next year is more dedicated to talented humans.
A tricky thief from Bilgewater, a smart data analyst from Piltover, a altruistic alchemist from Zaun, stuff like that. We got alot of supernatural beings this year, show us again that you can be successful by hard work again, not just birth right.
ChunLii2 votesYou can be a mage without needing to be ridiculous. Like Vladimir is supernatural but he is not ridiculous.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesEeeeeh.... In lore, he is literally able to control your blood. He can remove all the blood from your body, leaving you as a dry mummy, for example.
That kinda is ridiculously powerful.
ChunLii1 votesBut he needs to focus to do that. He is not invincible. He is not superhuman. If a simple assassin cuts his throat while sneaking up behind him he is dead
Beyond Legends1 votesPretty sure Vlad can survive a simply throat cut
ChunLii1 votesVladimir is a talented blood mage. He is not an ancient vampire despite some people believe. He will die from every injury that make normal humans die.
Beyond Legends1 votesYou do realize how vlad blood magic works right? He had to drain his master of all his blood to complete his training, I'm pretty damn sure vlad is a pseudo immortal at this point and a simple throat cut is hardly fatal.
ChunLii2 votesIf someone were to chop Vladimir’s head off he would die in that second. In fact a rioter even said there are many blood mages in Noxus. Vladimir isn’t anything especial. He is just more driven and talented at blood magic
Beyond Legends1 votesYeah but I think that of you somehow manage to cut of rhasst host head, you could probably stop him too.
ChunLii1 votesNope. Kayn has proven to be superhuman at this point.
Beyond Legends3 votesSo is Vlad? What's you definition of “superhuman”. I don't think you have good grasp of the average power level of league characters.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesGranted, I didn't even meant mages by what I said. Like you said, mages can be reasonable.
But look at last releases. Zoe: born celestial being traveling worlds, powerful by nature Ornn: born demigod, powerful by nature Rhaast: born ancient demon, powerful by nature
That's what I mean. They are born supernatural deities. Most likely they don't even had to learn their powers, they were born with it and probably controlled them by pure instinct.
I want to read more stories about people who trained their way to success. Let it be magic, science, combat or whatever.
ChunLii1 votesYes I understand and I completely agree with you. I want to read more like that too.
Beyond Legends1 votesOh come it's literally been the last two champion that are “overpowered”.
ChunLii1 votesRhaast/Kayn too
HonestJohnTheCon1 votesNo. Kayn's just an edgy ninja with shadow powers and a strong force of will, so probably near Zed/Shen levels of power. They're powerful, but not that powerful, and if Kayn is an even match for Rhaast then that means Rhaast is the same level.
So, not that powerful considering a giant space dragon, a volcanic goat demigod, a living magic-resistant monument, or a cosmic messenger of an astral race.
ChunLii1 votesPlease reread Kayn’s Lore and look at his interactions, especially interactions with Rhaast. I am on mobile but I might explain to you later when I get on computer.
Beyond Legends2 votesKayn isn't that powerful with shadow magic and I doubt Rhasst can defeat Xerath.
Beyond Legends1 votesRhaast barely compares to godlike being like ornn. At best he's ascdented level.
Still we got 3 streat level champion already with Cammile Xayah and Rakkan.
ChunLii1 votesYes because every new champion is getting more ridiculous. I would not consider rhaast and kayn street level in any way shape or form. Next we are going to have the Creator of Runeterra as a champion.
UnboundHades1 votesgiant space dragon fits that role
ChunLii1 votesNo this one is the creator of A Sol too
UnboundHades1 votesriot would never add a being on that high of a power scale the only reason sol can exist in the game is due to targon chaining thing if they added a god like being the game would be fucked up
Fasmodey1 votesYeah because we need more ordinary characters in Leauge of "Legends". Next one is me.
Like we don't have humans enough.
I mean, half of cast is human.
Also, only last 2 characters could be considered tier 1. Kayn, Xayah, Rakan, Camille are pathetic compare to tier 1 ones.
Warlord Dienekes1 votesThere are many legends. Some involve gods creating the universe.
Others are about just a good king that tried and failed to create a good Kingdom.
DariusDemiurge1 votesPass, what we need more of are angels. More Morgana and Kayles. Some boy angels too for the straight gals and homosexual boys player base to enjoy.
Who is Taliyah1 votesTaliyah uber powerful lore-wise? I wish she was. [sg-lulu]
GreenLore1 votesKayn doesn't seem that uber powerful. I mean he is Zeds pupil who wants to surpass Zed,meaning that at the end he is likely weaker than Zed(at least for now). Meaning only 2 of the 5 champion releases this year were uber powerful.