@Reaves, @Ghostcrawler, @Meddler, @Riot Karma What Visual Update?

Winterkill·6/8/2017, 7:43:52 PM·12 votes·1,120 views

When you relaunched Karma four years ago you decided to remove almost everything players loved about her. The dress Karma wore, her appearance, her fans, and a lot of other things were removed from her character. What you replaced it with is probably an even poorer representation of what you removed from her in the first place.

From Riot Games,

> Karma’s original look had a few shortcomings that we’d like to address for her relaunch. For starters, her aesthetic was hard to read and didn’t really convey much about her character. Her fans, dress and posture didn’t reflect her playstyle or storyline. There was a lot we could change about Karma to bring a more cohesive vision to the character.

Did you address that though? You didn't really do a fantastic job on the visuals, voice over, art, her appearance, her character, really bringing her presence as the Soul of Ionia to life, a fearsome but beautiful presence on the battlefield, the dragons, and more. Everything about her right now is so lackluster to what you promised us four years ago. If you are going to remove something the fans clearly loved, all of you should have done a better job. Here we are 4 years later and you have the animations for her shield, dragons, and more in a file probably saved on one of your computers.

> This new approach to Karma transforms her into a badass conduit of inner strength that brings Ionia’s strength to every battlefield.

It doesn't though. She sits in the back and casts shields on an ally champion, with shield animations and shield casting animations that you haves saved on your hard drives. Your entire approach to Karma was wrong and you should have never removed her fans, dress or changed her so much if you were not going to give us something that looks amazing and is 10x better than what we have. You decided to remove shield bomb, so give us an awesome visual that really captures her lore, art, and theme you promised us with her relaunch.

> The connection between Karma’s motif and playstyle was never as clear as it could have been. She didn’t have a distinct theme that tied everything together and brought out the badass spiritual leader she is in her lore. > > Ionia is a land that has suffered greatly. The ongoing struggle has taken its toll on Karma's calm, composed demeanor. We wanted to evolve Karma's personality to suit her place in a nation filled with internal strife and awakened ferocity.

You didn't address it and you continue to not address it. She has no personality and all of the visuals are very lackluster.

> Karma can now manifest her inner spirit and willpower as powerful magical energy. With her inner flame she can inspire and protect her allies, damage foes and manipulate the spiritual bonds between those around her. We’ve also taken her Ionian ties a step further: her magic springs from the crest of twin dragons in her mantle, literally and figuratively transforming her into a symbol of her homeland. > > The changes we’ve made have given new life to Karma’s title, “The Enlightened One.” In the past, her title conveyed her serenity and calm. Now, it represents the enlightened path she’s found for Ionia: a new path, merging the spiritual traditions of Ionia with the nation’s newfound strength. > > Finally, we've given Karma new VO that conveys her internal struggle and intensity. Karma’s attempting to unite a wounded and divided nation, which is no easy task! We want you to believe she’s got the inner strength—and inner flame—that it takes to persevere.

Another example of what you didn't deliver and you probably have saved on some sort of file on your hard drives. Where are the dragons shooting out? Where are the awesome animations? Where is she really showing her enemies and allies that she is the Soul of Ionia.

> Karma’s now the powerful Ionian leader she was always meant to be. Through her determination and indomitable spirit, she's set to rebuild Ionia and inspire her people to greatness.

She is a monk that sits in the back and shields players while doing nothing else. There is nothing about her that scream leader, inspiring, beautiful or Soul of Ionia. She sits in the back and shields others. You had the opportunity for the past 4 years to do anything to address the inconsistencies and you decided to give all that time to Ryze and new champions. You had the past four years to make her current visuals 10x better. New champions get art changes, kit changes, lore changes, icon changes, and more. Karma gets a nerf on her shields, that you buffed knowing the real mains did not like it to begin with.

What happened to this?

http://lol.esportspedia.com/w/images/4/46/Karma_concept_2.jpg

It's probably sitting in a file on someone's computer rotting while you come up with 6 other kit and art updates for Ryze.


You are aware of all of this for the past four years. You expect players to give you sympathy for it being your "first VGU". The problem is for the past 4 years you have done 0 things to address her problems. You prioritize reworks on new champions and art updates on new champions . . . AND RYZE . . . over work on Karma . . . . or doing things to Ezreal to bring his character to life . . . so many champions get neglected for another rework on LB, another VGU on Ryze, a rework on Reksai who was released two years ago, a rework on A'Sol, and more.

DO YOU CARE? Karma doesn't need a VGU over someone like Morde, Irelia, Pantheon, Nunu and others. She needs you to go into your files and actually implement the art you have saved from four years ago and tweak some things. She doesn't need another relaunch because you already ruined her with the half arse work you did. She needs a small update that you have given to nearly all of the champions who don't necessarily need one in the class updates or new champions.

What did you accomplish with the Malz update last year? You are taking two steps back and basically giving us what we already had before. Start listening to your community and work on the champions that actually need it.

As always, stay frosty.

  • Wintertechnics.

12 Comments

GreenLore6/8/2017, 8:27:22 PM6 votes

sigh

Yes Karmas rework was honestly rather bland. It might have fixed some of her gameplay problems,but I agree that her theme and playstyle feel extremely bland.

However you seriously complain about Riot focusing on other champs instead of her? Yes its been 4 years since her rework,but in those 4 years champs like Nunu Jax Akali have not seen any major relaunches. So who needs those kind of reworks more?The one who got a bland one,or the one who didn't get one at all?The answer is the one who didn't get one at all,because even though karmas rework was bad,it did help with some of her problems.

You also complain about Ryze getting so many reworks,but Rzye only got 2 reworks so close together,because his first one left him with a bad ingame model(the first "visual update" that he got was just a texture update,which is something that almost everyone got back then and that didn't fix his clunky model) AND an unhealthy kit(also they did have quite a few leftovers from his rework,which is why his VGU was done twice as fast as Galios or Warwicks). Karma however has an ok model and a healthy kit. They are boring,but not horrible.

Then there is the topic of newer champions getting reworks already,but thats because these newer champs merely need minor reworks(I mean look at Rek'sais new ult,she doesn't even have any new particles for it and the rest of her kit stayed the same),wheras Karma definetly needs more.

In the end I think our best bet for a Karma update would be the eventual enchanter update. Because Karmas ingame model doesn't look terrible,but her playstyle is simply boring and doesn't really deliver on her theme(not that her theme is that strong in the first place).

EDIT:Man I was really spot on when I said that a karma thread plops up roughly every month,as the last one is a month old by now :p

Overlord Forte6/9/2017, 2:00:14 AM3 votes

My largest issue with Karma's character in the rework was making her more rebellious than the role she's most ideal for. True, they didn't demonstrate a 'balanced' Ionian Elder that well in her original design, but being a paragon of what Ionia's culture has been up until the Noxian Invasion I think was very fitting for her. Mature, older, and worthy of being called a Duchess with reverence. New Karma is ... a 25-year old something that hasn't really proven convincing in one direction or another.

"The tradition of Ionia, changing in the face of recent events", or something or the other. She stuck between being one or the other, and frankly, we could make interesting arguments that Syndra is largely wielding the design space of being a 'revolutionized Ionia'. That isn't to say you can't have them overlap, but their distinctiveness is lacking enough Karma ends up suffering the most due to the half-and-half nature.

Blood Magicks6/8/2017, 8:23:30 PM2 votes

Reav3 is a saint and thou shalt notst dispelt his name.

ModAcademy Kayn6/8/2017, 11:31:59 PM2 votes

It's kinda easy to see why Ryze get's reworked much often than others, because his kit hardly changed for the first two reworks, only changed the passive the 3rd, and only changed two abilities and model for the 4th, all while keeping generally the same model. Unlike lots of other reworks, where they have to reevaluate the Champ's core theme, Ryze's reworks have mainly all been gameplay focused.

Wrathof3006/8/2017, 9:42:41 PM2 votes

You complain about them reworking Ryze multiple times, but do you really think Ryze mains wanted their champ to be reworked over and over and over, imo you should consider yourself lucky Riot only "ruined" you champ once. Based on Riot's record with recent full VGU, if she is listed for a VGU in the future you may see the Karma that you wish for, full VGU are a much safer bet in terms of reworking champions.

Digielf6/14/2017, 3:43:51 AM1 votes

The new Karma is a lot hotter than the old one, her legs are amazing