What does Kench and Illaoi have in common?
They are both hedonists. In one way and another.
They are both hedonists. In one way and another.
Well, one thing they have in common is i worked on both ;) And they are meant to show two sides of bilgewater's magic.
But Tahm is about unhealthy hungers, repetitive vices, and addictions. He's about not being able to control yourself.
Illaoi does have a view of good and evil-- it's just not in line with judeo-christian beliefs. She's not really a hedonist, as she believes even extreme pain should be endured if it leads you towards your new desires and growth. She's about change. Thus Illaoi doesn't care if you drink, gamble, and sleep around... but if that's all you want to do- then you're stagnating. -- and that's her view of sin.
You all did a really good job giving Illaoi a coherent religion in the limiting context of the voiceover! I like how the religion feels like something that really could have developed in an environment full of hostile sea monsters and shifting tides, where complacency is vulnerability.
One question regarding the voiceovers. It seems like Tahm Kench should certainly have a taunt for Illaoi. Of course, he came out first, but if at the point you all were working on his VO, it was known that Illaoi would be a Bilgewater priestess, why not record a couple taunts for her that would be activated when (or if, in case of very late-stage iceboxing) Illaoi is released? Or for Gangplank's rework — surely he should have lines for someone as significant to him as Illaoi? Something similar would have been great for Azir, emperor of Shurima, and Rek'sai, the terror of regions formerly part of the empire.
Sadky its not that simple. VO time lines are quite long. So we are done with recording long before the next champ is vague idea.
So if Katarina made a deal with Kench to get to garen...would that be unhealthy?
Well, one thing they have in common is i worked on both ;) And they are meant to show two sides of bilgewater's magic.
But Tahm is about unhealthy hungers, repetitive vices, and addictions. He's about not being able to control yourself.
Illaoi does have a view of good and evil-- it's just not in line with judeo-christian beliefs. She's not really a hedonist, as she believes even extreme pain should be endured if it leads you towards your new desires and growth. She's about change. Thus Illaoi doesn't care if you drink, gamble, and sleep around... but if that's all you want to do- then you're stagnating. -- and that's her view of sin.
One thing I am bothered with Illaoi is how little she seems to value life or basic human rights. Paraphrasing: "If I hate something, I destroy it. If I want something, I take it". What if that thing she dislikes is someone's lifework, or the expensive tool they need to feed their kids? If she sees a man being arrested unjustly would she just kill the arresters to set the person free, even if they didn't know and were just doing their job? And if she likes something that someone else needs to survive, or if she likes... someone that doesn't like her back, let's put it that way. Would she just take it? Take... them because they're weaker or can't "move" and "adapt" fast enough? And in the minigame that served as her visuak debut, did the men come to her to be tested, or did she use the aftermath of the Black Mist to go around "testing" people in a way that to anyone else would seem like ritualistic homicide?
yeah her philosophy is definitely not what I would consider to be moral. But it makes for an interesting story line. There are plenty of 'moral' characters already in the game (Demacia!!!!)
I wouldn't think Demacia is the best example of "good morals" considering Fiora's lore. Actually I don't think any region or champion should be considered the poster child of "good morality", but I get where you're coming from. There are those that try to be more just than others.
Keep in mind she believes in reincarnation, and unlike our world has empirical evidence that it exists and that there is life after death.
As for taking other people's stuff, youre assuming that she would keep it. She doesnt want you to value stuff.. The common prayer for nagakabouros involves taking some of your money (or stuff) and giving it to the sea. Symbolically the gesture is saying, I wont hold onto things i dont need. I will find a way to get more if need more.
Her god is storms, the sea, and life. It assumes change will and must happen. Also life in the serpent isles is hard, you have to be strong and adaptable to survive.
Mini game was preharrowing, that man was stagnating and thus st risk of becoming a ghost if he died. (Endlessly repeating the same mistakes he made in life)
{quoted} Keep in mind she believes in reincarnation, and unlike our world has empirical evidence that it exists and that there is life after death.
Whaaaaat? We're all familiar with the spooky life after death part, but reincarnation provably exists in Runeterra?? I don't know if I've seen a setting where both ghosts and reincarnation exist, so that's extremely interesting. Will we/when will we get to hear more about this?
Not even once I've seen any evidence reincarnation is a thing in Runeterra.
Care to elaborate on the subject?
Wait a second... Does the cycle of reincarnation affect everyone? Because if that's true, then the death given by
is just a passage towards another immanent life. Which means that Lamb and Wolf shouldn't really dislike those who come back from death, because it's what everyone does (even though they come back in a different form).
Tbh, I've always thought that Nagakabouros was only concerned about one's life energy and cycle of life, while Kindred appear at the moment of death to lead the souls towards their trascendent state of existence.
Wait a second... Does the cycle of reincarnation affect everyone? Because if that's true, then the death given by
is just a passage towards another immanent life. Which means that Lamb and Wolf shouldn't really dislike those who come back from death, because it's what everyone does (even though they come back in a different form). Tbh, I've always thought that Nagakabouros was only concerned about one's life energy and cycle of life, while Kindred appear at the moment of death to lead the souls towards their trascendent state of existence.
Well, ghosts is pretty much the soul not moving onto the next life.
So, while Kindred is there at the moment of one's passing, they want to make sure that the soul moves on, so it can go through the proper motions. if the SI takes control, or if they become a ghost, that is not a new life. That is the old one, the one that has died trying to stay around.
Reincarnation means born again into a new life. You can't be born again if you haven't died off...FULLY.
Also, some believe that a ghost is the remnants of the previous life, not the soul itelf, but the aether of their mind.
Which means, while their soul has been reincarnated, a piece of that soul held onto the spark of the previous life and refuse to go on. If that's the case in Runeterra, then a ghost could possibly meet their reincarnated self (though, with the way they present it, that seems unlikely. Especially since the previous statement is based more on the seperation of mind body and soul. The soul moves on, but the mind manifested as a spirit and still haunts places.)
and a lot, i mean a lot of rule 34
She's about change. Thus Illaoi doesn't care if you drink, gamble, and sleep around... but if that's all you want to do- then you're stagnating. -- and that's her view of sin.
But there's only so much you can realistically do, isn't there? How can someone constantly be changing?
Yeah, I was actually wondering what Illaoi might make of Tahm Kench. While he's an ancient, sadistic water demon, the way he lives his life seems to be perfectly in line with the teachings of Nagakabouros, which is more important to Illaoi than simple words like "good" or "evil".
The other thing they have in common is an association with the weirder fringes of extreme porn (soft vore and tentacle rape).
Hard vore* The gambler's wife
That's only in lore. In-game he only eats you harmlessly. Even if you're an enemy he spits you out if he kills you with his W.
The game is more fun when you ban them.