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Three Kayle Things

Mira Arya Enthe·4/10/2017, 10:29:32 PM·57 votes·3,454 views

With a Kayle/Morg update inching closer, I wanted to say a few things. I don't pretend to be a Kayle main/player, I have only 52 games on her(because I don't enjoy top or mid). So none of this is gameplay related. It is all lore. It's more my requests with her rework thematically:

1: Please don't make her evil Kayle vs Morgana is suppose to be about perspectives. There is not suppose to be a good/evil side of it, but Morg's is suppose to lean more towards grim while Kayle's judgemental. This is fine. But please don't do the A-Typical modern thing and make the apparent 'good' one evil just for the sake of not actually being edgy or unique as everyone else already does it already. Please make sure we are able to take either side with some level of comfort and discomfort that is mostly equal.

2: Please keep her and Morgana 'Angelic' I realize they may not be 'angels' but a lot of us love them because they feel angelic. They have references to the afterlife, a general light vs dark thematic. I want them to be champions I can listen to Globus while playing. I want them to be FRIGHTENING and imposing not because they 'talk' imposing but because of the mere implication of what it is standing before you. Something beyond comprehension that can harm or help you on levels you cannot protect yourself on. Angels are no less a valid mythology/religion than Ninetails, Dragons or Demons and should be included as well.

3: Keep Kayle's taunt in some way I like "Come here, I will teach you all about the afterlife." As much as Shyvana's "Come get a glimpse into the BELLY of the beast." If it wasn't for the fact that I hate top lane I'd probably play Kayle quite a bit. And her imposing and powerful attitude is a big reason why. I love this champions and cannot wait to see her rework.

Feel free to post below what you think of Kayle thematically and what should stay or go. <3 Especially you actual Kayle mains.

69 Comments

Papa Andrei4/10/2017, 11:30:47 PM31 votes

I agree on the "Don't Make her Evil". Both sides are meant to be shades of grey and such should require people to actually think before they decide are they good or bad. Bad example of this. Caitlyn, purely good, 100%. Good example, WW and Camille, they are a grey area.

Supreme Senpai694/11/2017, 8:51:57 AM4 votes

Take away Morgana's skirt. I want legs. It looks so weird with her frail arms, giant wings, hanging head as if she can't even hold it upright, super thin torso, and then this giant mass of clothes on her lower half.

TyrekGoldenspear4/11/2017, 3:29:06 AM3 votes

One big thing I want her to get is bigger.

Seriously, scale her up in her rework so she isn't a fairy.

I concur on most of what you said as well.

Neamean4/11/2017, 6:55:09 AM3 votes

I hope they still have the same gameplay where kayle is an apc carry who is very active and relentless in dealing her damage like Azir Cassiopeia Ryze Karthus

Where as Mrogana is more held back and reserved really hanging on her Cooldown. Although I do I hope they don't change her much at all beside giving her a Visual Update.

It is also a nice contrast because their playstyle are like the opposite of one another this way.

BananaSlayerAMO4/10/2017, 11:39:34 PM2 votes

I feel like Morgana's current splash and in-game model don't reflect her lore very well. To someone who hasn't read her lore, she just looks like an evil winged witch. She is neither as obsessed with power as Syndra nor consumed by darkness like Varus, yet she looks more of those things than the both of them. I see no trace of her dreams to be free from oppression or inner desire to be united with her family.

woodvsmurph4/11/2017, 11:28:58 PM1 votes

Kayle - "good", order, light, follow the rules, limits on what you can/should do to achieve a goal Morg - "bad", disorder/chaos if it achieves one's goals, diversity/multiple perspectives can be correct, tolerance, misunderstood I don't want them as grey as camille. Not entirely black/white issue, but more about rules and there being ONE correct way vs diversity/multiple correct perspectives and challenging the established rules/order.

Also, I think it could be a really good selling point if they kept this in mind and keep the angelic appearance. Then they could have a "before-the-fall/angelic morgana" and "demonic/dark kayle" skin to go with the updates.

I don't play much of either anymore, but I used to main kayle top and morg support. Love them both. Hopefully the changes make them better and not worse. Kayle has been pulled in too many diverse directions with her kit and made into an aa-only champ with all her changes and nerfs ever since she reached that broken 3-shot anyone in the game phase a long while back. Her q used to be maxed by many for the burst damage - now it's damage is generally inferior to simply autoing. Her w used to heal way more, but lack a speed boost. Granted movespeed can be useful, but the healing is underwhelming if you go aa-focused build. Her e is what makes her kayle - along with her ult and passive. But it would be great if kayle passive applied more pen or took only 3 hits to reach 15% pen - seeing as how champs like Darius JarvanIV MonkeyKing etc. do not need to land 5 attacks to apply the pen in their kit. I would like to see ap burst AND aa kayle (both ad and ap preferably) be viable again. Morg's kit is pretty good but could use some scaling maybe. I'd also change her ult so champs like yi cannot simply press q and escape the 2nd proc of her ult because ONE of his targets during the q took him outside morg ult range even though the end of his q brings him back in ult range. If he didn't escape from ult range by running, flashing, ghosting out he should be stunned by 2nd proc.

Arcus Diabolus4/12/2017, 4:25:32 AM1 votes

Wait, they aren't angels??? Since when?

AirKingNeo4/10/2017, 11:00:37 PM1 votes

Gameplay wise, Kayle's passive needs to feel more impactful.

ReisenTheDos4/16/2017, 8:17:09 PM1 votes

When they do update both Morg and Kayle, I hope they don't change Morgana's kit too much. She is practically my main champ for both mid and support. I agree with one thing though is that they both need a VO update as well.

Gear5Luffy4/11/2017, 1:25:38 AM1 votes

For Morgana I would like to keep her gameplay theme of snaring and the visual a bit brighter and only wings burned or shatered. Kayle on the other hand needs both visual and gameplay wise like poppy where she could keep the ranged basic attack spell and give her some mobility to reflect on morgana where she snares and keeps others in place Kayle could be an enhancer or some sort of thresh lantern where she can transport others

TFBaam4/11/2017, 2:35:51 AM1 votes

On an unrelated note, why do you hate toplane? If possible, more than one reason? I, for one, love top lane, but most of my friends don't, and they don't play it because it is "cancer". I was just wondering if I could use it in my laning, split pushing, etc.

Limrick4/11/2017, 2:45:36 AM1 votes

Kayle shouldn't be goody-two-shoes, she should be Lawful Good to an absolute extreme. Like make her ruthlessly into justice, to the point of killing a friend or family member if they do something evil. I want Kayle to be Tyrael.

Lux Is Mai Waifu4/11/2017, 5:35:25 PM1 votes

You can be a functional jungle or support with her in low elo/normals as long as your general mechanics are ok.