You know, lore wasn't really big last year. What's the expectations of 2018?

GenoXx··3 votes·1,013 views

Seemingly, the biggest thing was Vastaya update....maybe The legend of Orrn. Then there's the left overs from Piltover/Zaun in which didnt that roll of the previous year?

I mean, yes, finally some things of Runeterra are fleshed out, but the pace has slowed down. And I think it started too after the tip of last year. I know we potentially have new Noxus lore coming with Swain and all. But after that whats next? Look, I get that Riot took the time to add some lore, but the pace of it just isn't enthusiastic imo. When they declared they would start doing better with lore a few yrs ago, im not going to lie, I expected much more.

When I saw the comics, I was surprised. And thought this would be a consistent thing. It doesn't really seem like it. And I'm excluding December since Riot slows things down around this time which is understandable. The really audience grabbing lore seems to still be tied around new champion releases, if not a vgu for a current champion. That would be Vastaya(Xayah and Rakan), The demi-gods of Freljord(Orrn), and Targon(Zoe, even though her story just doesn't deliver.) The Darkin lore with Kayne gave us no info on the actual Darkin himself(Rhast) and Varus was just a mistake imo. I mean we find out that Darkin aren't from Runeterra after all, even though Aatrox's lore gives you the impression that they have been around Runeterra for a long time.

And with 2017 passing what can we expect from 2018? I'll be honest I grew unenthusiastic about the lore. And it's not just because of what I wrote above, It's because alot of the things I expected to see covered with their lore updates aren't. Some things are givien more tidbits about them, but are ultimately still left for later as we are constantly being told. Swains update is coming up, and I expect alot of things(not all) to be covered that fans have have been asking questions about since the times of lore discussion forums. I got interested in the lore with Jinx's arrival, when I started the game and it sucks that I might have to wait a couple more yrs just to reads about a mystery that fans have been wanting to know about for years.

Even though it seems a little selfish(I'm really trying to not be) when I hear Swain, the grand general of Noxus getting a big update, I expected if not all most of Noxus lore to be covered. Because this is what Riot has been doing, tying lore updates to things like this. That includes the Black Rose, Noxus or Noxus Prime's general life for Noxians, and things like the disappearance of Katarina's father. Because these are things fans have been wanting to know about for years, you can't really blame a person for expecting it. Same with Ionia(if that means Riot is going to do this with Irelia too): Yasuo's killer, Irelia's brother, the cabal who freed Jhin?

My concerns is that Riot isn't closing the holes in lore atm, instead their are expanding the world ever more and are leaving these things untouched. I try to not expect anymore do to my on philosophy on having bad expectations. But when you want to learn something, sometimes I just can't help it. So I ask of you lore fans and maybe/also Riot what are the expectations of lore for this year?

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Ebonmaw Dragon8 votes

I just want to know what the hell are the Yordles in the new lore and what is the deal about Bandle... Because right now everything is confusing about them, even more after Riot decided to make Fizz a yordle as well.

Bandle City feels like a blank spot in the lore right now, we have gotten some information about yordles but none of them mentions the place (Except tristana in her VO) and most of them dont even live there and the last champion released from Bandle was Lulu.

At least we know some information about the rest of the Regions/City States of Runeterra... But Bandle? That is a big question mark in the lore... and its not like we have 1 or 2 champions from that place... there are at least 5 champions (that is without counting the rest of the yordles that live in other places) that have direct relation to Bandle and no clear information about them.

.... that and The Void, but i think that the mistery of the Void is part of the "charm" of that place.

GenoXx1 votes

I'm getting the feeling Bandle city is the new Glade. It doesn't exist in reality and you have to stumble upon a hidden passage to get to it. Just calling Yordles fae supportst that theory.

GreenLore6 votes

Uhm you kinda forgot the whole Demacia event.

Anyway I noticed that Riot seemed really eager to focus on different races last year. I mean we were introduced to the vastaya and demigods and got some more info about the darkin and demons(and we also got an aspect,though she didn't shed that much light into the aspects)

GenoXx1 votes

I think you missed my point.

GreenLore3 votes

I understand that your general point is more about the lore progression/pace of the lore releases,but what I am referring to is your first point,where you said:

Seemingly, the biggest thing was Vastaya update....maybe The legend of Orrn. Then there's the left overs from Piltover/Zaun in which didnt that roll of the previous year?

Disregarding the fact that the demacia update was actually pretty big,changing the lores of a lot of champs,giving us important information about the demacian culture and giving us an additional story.

Darrosh Jewfist4 votes

I don't know if I "expect" it, but I think this would be good for League of Legends lore.

More consistent releases with a very public, open timetable.

I'm not saying they need to say "Oh we're going to have X event on this date or Y event on that date" like "Oh we're doing the Ionian rework event EXACTLY on March 15, the Ides of March" or something. I mean something localized and focused in scope over a prolonged period of time.

I'm thinking some kind of short serials. It could be...

  • A month of random League of Legends "Facts" about champion personalities where a set of facts, or even one fact, is released every day. It turns out Elice loves wine and steak (rare of course) and she never dies alone (Corpses count as people!).

  • Weekly comic series focusing on a single champion/storyline spanning 10 weeks (1 comic a week)

  • Weekly short animation clips contracted to a studio (like a 3-5 minute episode over 10 weeks - that gets you like an hour worth of animation total)

  • Monthly newsletter where fans can submit random questions on lore (What WOULD Shyvana do if Ezreal licked her knee? Does Vayne like pineapples?). I think this is helpful because Riot loves giving lore tidbits in Q&As but they're really poorly consolidated. Having a monthly newsletter type thing would make it very organized compared to the ad hoc nature of the trivia lore.

My caveat on the newsletter Q&A is that they should avoid stuff like what happens sometimes on the Nexus where they use a bloatload of words to say a simple thing.

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/06/ask-riot-practice-tool-stays-solo/

Okay, so the question is simple:

Does Runeterra have a calendar? How do people track time?

But the way they answered it was so... just stupid.

We are doing a wide range of creative world-building behind the scenes at the moment, bringing you a much deeper, complex, and rich setting in Runeterra, and this absolutely includes the calendar and how time is measured by those who live in our world.

Developing a concept of time and the tools a culture uses to measure it is a unique challenge. Make something like a calendar system too different and complex, it becomes an abstraction that can distract people from a story.

Like, this is a very simple question. Just say "Yes, they track time in various ways." THEN you start giving examples. Hard concrete examples, not fluffy ideas. The entire first paragraph was just rambling and beating 'round the bush for no reason. The guy had a simple question that was basically "Do these people use a month calender? Do they have a 40k system where it's like the 999m41 forever?"

It bothers me because it kind of shows how Riot is desperate to appear as if they're trying really hard yet provide nothing of tangible value in their answers. Yeah, I get you're researching a lot and culture factors into how calendars work - do you have an example? No? It's not ready to reveal yet? Then you might want to rethink which questions you pick to answer...

tl:dr - Riot needs to give us something concrete to look forward to instead of months of silence then a week of stuff released with mixed reception (see Varus/Zoe).

Star Guardían3 votes

They should give us the narrative equivalent of their champion roadmap. Tell is broad terms what they have planned for the coming months. But not as broad as they do "We have stuff planned."

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

That'd be nice.

GenoXx1 votes

Yeah exactly. Just having something to look forward can be enough. Although I feel like they need to ditch the tied to champion releases thing. Seriously, the comic idea has been brought up so many times. They have four now, but the only one that was about progression in the story was miss fortunes...

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

Honestly, all 4 comic felt so "throwaway" to me. They didn't really "advance" the lore. They just clarified or showed stuff we either knew already. The only exception I think is the Jinx/Ziggs comic which was pretty much a subtle retcon.

  • Nami's lore was pretty much her origin bio in comic form.

  • Darius' love story is basically an origin bio +ULTRA, as far as I can tell, his dead lover will have no future bearing on the lore.

  • Miss Fortune comic clarified what happened after the events of Burning Tides and stuff, which is that she consolidated control over Bilgewater. The problem is that all the characters introduced were throwaway characters and are now - SPOILERS - dead.

Now that I think about it, Riot has a big fucking problem with body counts and making memorable secondary characters.

lroha2 votes

I think that we people that like the lore should be patient for now. Like in the Varus-Behind-the-scenes Video they talked about how the lore of league doesnt "live". Most of the players dont care about it.

And thats what Riot is trying to do throught the comics: They want that the casual player somewhat knows about the basiclore.

I'd love to get more expansion on the lore of everyone but firstly i'd like that people acknowledge the lore as it is.

Solidair33 votes

I liked all of the lore last year, especially the comics and short stories.

I look forward to this year, and what Irelia and Swain will bring to the game.

I'd also like a greater Ionia update. Varus and the Vastaya brought a lot (Varus to the Darkin as well) and look forward to more storylines moving forward.

Whyte Lyon2 votes

2017 had roughly an equivalent with 2016's amount of major and minor lore updates. I imagine the sufficient standard of these last two years will remain persistent and dependable through this year. Not sure why OP thinks last season was lacking when it matched the ideal standard of previous.

Hell 2015 had potential to be on par with 2016 and the like, if it wasn't for Burning Tides cosuming so much development time. But I would never trade BT event for more consistent LUs instead.

GenoXx1 votes

My point is that, consistency is still an issue here. Whens the last time we heard anything from Narrative outside the Varus dilemma? If we had lore that isn't tied to certain releases, (comics, short stories, actual progression, etc) I feel like things would be better.

Last years lore still fits that description. Anything new is right next to a new champion, and anything old isn't updated. A problem is them, constantly expanding the world with out even thinking about what is already established.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

In 2017 the mean for lore updates averaged at about every 25 days, with the previous year coming to about every 30 days.

Idk about you but one major or minor scale LU for every less than or just over a month is perfectly acceptable. In fact I'm not sure that a significant increase in average, lets say about 15 days is even a realistic possibility. Especially with all factors considered.

abca982 votes

My wish is that in the next lore updates they maintain most of the elements of the previous stories of the champions instead of simply taking the old versions into a dark alley and then shooting them in the nape.

Whyte Lyon2 votes

Since the grounding of that argument varies from individual to individual based on the unique opinions (personal grievances) of each person, which champions would you say were taken "into a dark alley and shot in the nape" ?

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

abca983 votes

Varus only maintains name and bow.

Whyte Lyon2 votes

I said champions not champion, please dont be underwhelming with the one sentence arguments. I believe you can do better.

Like, was Zac shot in the nape? Was Lux shot in the nape? Was Volibear shot in the nape? Was Ahri shot in the nape? Was Skarner? Was Xerath? Was Janna? Pantheon? Hecarim? Maokai? Ziggs? Shen? Gangplank?

abca981 votes

To be honest, I don't know their lore sufficiently to properly consider if most the old stories were well conserved or simply deleted. My point is that with Varus it did not happen. Old Varus was thrown into the garbage can, and I think Riot should consider repeating that move with other champs.

Whyte Lyon2 votes

I don't feel like they did forsake what old Varus was in the ways that mattered most (loss of a loved one, tragic desperation, a path of vengeance and violence).

Because the core of Varus, the character, was about tragic loss of a loved one, the desperation that leads to a "deal with the devil" and obviously the corruption stemming from a weapon. Whether that's 2 beings or 3 beings total involved didn't change anything (although there were other changes, like how much he was focused on his "duty" or his family).

Varus still has a meaningful story as well, I mean that this/these dude(s) are now directly involved with deciding the fate of the darkin race and the ongoing conflict between those beings and Runeterrans.


The criticism that he's no longer recognizable is such a naive and narrow minded perspective if you ask me. But hey I must be wrong because you can't have an optimistic view about Varus these days.

Dorans Pants2 votes

idk the last things we got left me so unsatisfied i lost interest in new lore altogether.

GenoXx1 votes

Same. But that's my concern...I'm losing interest when i know i really like the lore for this game

Żügżwäng2 votes

After the embarrassing way they handled the Varus lore, I have low expectations... which is a shame since the art team that did the comics/videos did a great job with the shoddy material given to them.

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