So what's next for the lore?

Chromatic Eagle··10 votes·19,228 views

In addition to finally getting full lore for new champions, we're getting new ones for reworked champions. It's about that time for a Harrowing, so will we get a story about the Shadow Isles? Will we receive new lore for the champions? Will we finally get the Shurima lore? Do we have to wait for reworks, new champions, and events for champions to have their stories added to the site?

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Sharjo8 votes

Shadow Isles champions will (as far as I know) be getting long form lores with the coming Harrowing. Following that I'm not sure what's next but Poppy's VU's coming closer and closer so new lore for her is a high possibility this year.

They said they don't wanna just put out the Shurima short stories right out of the gate and instead wanna give them context. I take this to mean they'll release 'em in addition to long form lores for said champions, so I dunno when that's gonna be.

All the champions will be getting lore in the new style, with a quote, short paragraph, extended bio and short story, the question is when. The champions that take priority are those who are:

  • New
  • Getting a big rework in some form
  • Are part of a lore event
  • REALLY need it because they kinda don't exist in the lore right now

Beyond the Harrowing and Poppy I'm not sure what's next. All I know is the above. Hopefully that at least is helpful to someone!

RiotRiotJaredan7 votes

I heart Sharjo.

Sharjo2 votes

I'm flattered!

Ralanr5 votes

Personally I'd like the next stop after the shadow isles to be Mt.Targon, which needed a lore expansion before the lore retcon.

Jeddy0174 votes

I,too,agree that Mt. Targon should be high on the list of regions to develop,if not number 1 already.

RiotRiotJaredan9 votes

It's high on the list alright. That was not a pun. The Foundations team is working hard on Mount Targon, among others regions.

Jeddy0177 votes

I won't ask for Targon plans or any early ideas for the region because I know you won't say anything......or just tease me (I don't know which is worse) I will however be asking questions people in the Foundations meeting should be asking about Targon & working on answering in the future.

  1. What is Targon's identity/theme in the world of Runeterra & how do Targon champs reflect this identity/theme? Demacia is Justice & Honor.Noxus is Strength above all else.Ionia is Balance & Spiritual Enlightenment.Mt Targon is....uh......a tall mountian!With a tribe of Spartans from 300,a tribe of Sun Worshipers & use to have a tribe of Moon worshipers.In terms of theme/identity,Targon is lacking a solid one.Whatever theme Foundations gives Targon should bring something unique to the lore world,in terms of culture(s),stories & champs.This is 1st question that should be answered.
  2. What is the artistic theme of Targon,? I'm talking the fashion,the building structures,the enviorment/ecosystem,wildlife,etc.Knowing this sort of thing will be help when the time comes to visually update Pantheon & even Leona (and before anyone says anything:Leona came out in 2011,Fiora came out in 2012.You know what I'm trying to say)
  3. While we're at Targon,what can we do for Pantheon Leona & Diana ? Pantheon's current lore talks more about the Rakkor than it does about him.Plus Pantheon & the Rakkor in general just seem like war-loving Spartan & generic.More can be done with Pantheon.Leona backstory may need adjustment depending on how the Rakkor change,but character wise she is in a good spot.She's someone who wants to protect people.All she needs is more content for her.Diana may need minor adjustments,but overall she's in a great starting point.You guys just need to continues her story.
  4. What type of interactions does Targon have with the rest of the world & vise-versa? Have travelers like Ezreal or Bard been to Targon?Does the Rakkor battle with Demacian & Noxian armies as mentioned in Pantheon's lore?Is Targon going to a isolated region?

There are more question that should be asked,but until Foundation answer the 1st one (Targon's theme/identity),you can't properly move forward with Targon development. Now like I said,these aren't questions I want answered here & now & osted on these boards.These are question that should be asked (or already been asked if the Foundations are got an established idea of what Targon is) & answered in the Foundation meetings.If these question haven't been asked yet,then someone should get stuck in a room with Teemo for 24 hours.Understanding what Targon is will go a long way in helping with the creation of stories & champs from the region & update the established ones (Pantheon needs a visual update & a Baker skin).I'm sure you guys will give me the answers to these questions later.....eventually....hopefully....maybe.I hope you guys do it through an awesome event like Bilgewater & Burning Tides.

RiotRiotJaredan6 votes

All those questions, and more, have and are being asked. You've identified the fundamentals to the way the team works and the way we review what's produced. And thanks for understanding, I really can't go into specifics, but I think I can safely say that the celestial aspect is still prominent.

turkeyBACON3 votes

Please don't feel the need to do these major lore updates alongside gameplay events. Let Lore and visual updates be a major event unto themselves. I only speak for myself when I say this but the SR gameplay event for Burningtides felt pretty tacked on and unnecessary. The ARAM map visual skin was undeniably amazing but it being temporary also diminished my desire to see something like it repeated. I'm likely in the minority but the gradual lore reveal throughout the event culminating in gangplank's "death" and survival are what stick with me. I want more of that.

RiotRiotJaredan7 votes

It's great when we can do that, but in the past it was a case that we would produce story almost exclusively due to it being a great opportunity born from resource focus. By that I don't mean money, I mean team prioritization. We will still do that (around Champ releases, Champ Updates, etc.) but you should start seeing more stories that are just products themselves (that doesn't mean you'll have to pay for them, in fact you won't), though there might be some fun stuff to go alongside them.

The long-standing, vocal community and its desire for more consistent, higher quality story is something we have been very mindful of. It's helped us (Riot and Narrative) focus on creating new structures, teams and products to deliver on that desire. It's taken a while (longer than we'd like), but we are getting momentum.

In some ways, we've just begun. In others, well, you'll see.

Sharjo3 votes

Well I'm glad you guys have gotten some freedom in what you can put out. I'm looking forward to seeing it come to fruition!

Ra1d3 votes

Will you guys create a system where the overall lore including champions and event lore can be accessed. Chronologically and location wise making anyone interested in looking up the lore able to quickly and easily access and improve comprehension of the LoL world?

RiotRiotJaredan5 votes

All I can say is that the issues underlying what you point out are things we are very aware of and are responding to. Sorry for being so cryptic.

Ralanr6 votes

I just wanted to let you know that I squealed like a 1950's schoolgirl when you said it's high on the list.

RiotRiotJaredan6 votes

That's a fantastic image.

Ralanr3 votes

Damn straight.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

How do you feel about Ionia in general? Visually, it seems to offer a lot of artistic diversity, but have you ever thought about a more unified culture? I don't personally want that, but I'm curious as to your views? Beyond its war with Noxus, there's not much history.

The Freljord hasn't had much development regarding its present. We have the sister tribes, barbarians, and whatever it is Nunu is supposed to belong to.

RiotRiotJaredan4 votes

I think it will be the exact opposite of a unified culture. Ionia isn't a small island, it's pretty huge. There will necessarily be a lot of diversity due to landmass—it's not as big as Valoran, but there's plenty of room for different landscapes and people.

You're spot on about the lack of history beyond the Noxian war. A few of us were speaking about this very topic yesterday. That's something we know we need to develop.

The Freljord's past, present, and future is very much on our minds. You'll see development on that, just not right now.

DeadPuddle2 votes

Any hints at where shaco, nocturn and fiddlesticks are on that list of yours?? my guess would be low as shaco and fiddle's kit haven't been looked at in years.

I've always wanted an explanation as to where there all from and why there 'friends'

GreenLore4 votes

Shadow isles was said to be the current focus for the lore team.

While they originally said that they have the shurima lores ready (amumus lore for example got leaked once),they might want to adjust them to the current style of the lore(judging by fioras&kindreds lores,they give us first a quote of the champ,then the short lore,then the expanded lore and then another story of the character)

RiotRiotJaredan8 votes

Ding! Ding! Ding! You got it GL.

Sharjo3 votes

Does that mean you're looking to get the new format in for the Shurima champs in the more foreseeable future? (By foreseeable I mean post Harrowing and beyond)

RiotRiotJaredan5 votes

Yes.

Sharjo5 votes

YEAH THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR thanks Jaredan :)

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

So are you happy with Azir, Xerath, Kalista, Rek'Sai, and Sion's style of writing, or will those change as well?

Sharjo3 votes

They'll be putting out lore for those guys in the new style. They'll probably find a way to keep the longer stories for those guys around, potentially incorporating them as the character piece or in Rek'Sai's case put a link on the page as we see with Kindred and "A Good Death".

RiotRiotJaredan4 votes

Beat me to the punch again! Yup, it's more about us adding to those than changing.

Ra1d1 votes

Is there gonna be changes or expansions to Demacian lore?

RiotRiotJaredan4 votes

Definitely.

Raid Boss Morde2 votes

SO... we'll finally learn more about Mordekaiser? All he is right now is some mysterious ghost in a suit of armor, and he's apparently special, because he's the FIRST undead of the Shadow Isles.

I can't explain how excited I am to finally learn more about him!

RiotRiotJaredan15 votes

We're doing a lot of thinking around Mordekaiser. He's going to be rather important, don't worry. That importance might not be completely apparent right away, but it will be. Oh yes, it will be...

This cryptic tease was brought to you by Poro Snax. Poro Snax. Now only 97% poro.

Malicious Metal6 votes

This rustled my metal jimmies way too heavily...

Damn you, I can't wait for some juicy Mordekaiser lore and now you've teased he's going to be important?! Hell, someone get an Iron Maiden to lock me up or I might just go ballisitc on you to spill your beans D:

Jeddy0172 votes

Wait.......Poro snacks are made out of Poros? https://media0.giphy.com/media/tLql6mMHC6wvK/200.gif

Then on ARAM.............I'm supporting cannibalism? http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag158/aakashalex/OMG_zpsfd54e805.gif

The video Lilypichu made make so much more sense.So much sense I didn't want to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54zGzsgRlY

Wait,let me make sure I read that right

Now only 97% poro.

Are we talking actual poros?

RiotRiotJaredan2 votes

Yes. (I'm joking).

TerraRising1 votes

{quoted}

We're doing a lot of thinking around Mordekaiser. He's going to be rather important, don't worry. That importance might not be completely apparent right away, but it will be. Oh yes, it will be...

This cryptic tease was brought to you by Poro Snax. Poro Snax. Now only 97% poro.

How about everyone's favorite neglected and unloved champ, Yorick.

Is the Grave Digger included in this round, or is his story going to depend on ChampUp's supposed rework (scheduled for 20XX)?

RiotRiotJaredan11 votes

ChampUp are working on Yorick at the moment. Intriguing stuff too.

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

I've seen what the idea's they are tossing around on the wiki and he's right, it looks like they have some good stuff in store.

Ralanr1 votes

Link?

HentRex1 votes

exactly that's how long they've been working on him.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Suppose I should have commented on BMW's post, not yours. It seemed to imply the stuff on the wiki was recent.

HentRex1 votes

my apologies then for that.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

{quoted}

my apologies then for that.

I don't think it was your fault! Even if it was, I think it was just the internet being hard to communicate over, I just wanted to clarify for other readers :)

zaroyallord2 votes

I am VERY excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GhastlyGhoulMan6 votes

Oh my gosh. The secret to the Poro life cycle has been revealed!

When Poros die, they are turned into Poro snacks. They are then fed to hungry Poros by sympathetic summoners.

What then occurs is a miracle born from magic and cannibalism. The host Poro digests the enchanted edibles, focuses his energies into their being, and explodes as the previously deceased Poros are reincarnated in a bloodless blaze of glory.

TLDR; Poros never die, they only wait for their imminent reincarnation via Poro Snax.

sp4413 votes

Well, I wonder what his theme will be. Because I noticed that nearly every Shadow Isles champion has a theme around a type of death (Similar to how champions of the Void all represent obsession):

Thresh - Lingering Death, a long, prologued, agonizing death. Hecarim - Death in Combat, representing soldiers and warriors that perish in combat. Karthus - Peaceful Death, an open embrace towards the Final Void. Though unlike Lamb, his is a twisted embrace of death. Possibly representing suicide. Kalista - Vengeful Death, representing those who throw their lives away in pursuit of vengeance. Elise - Death of Belief, representing those who die in the name of twisted beliefs, such as people who enter a Suicide Cult.

With Mordekaiser, I am thinking possibly Death of Slaves, or Death under oppression, because his theme, design, and skillset all scream "Power-hungry overlord who won't stop at nothing until all are under his domain".

Yorick and Maokai don't really count on this theming because they don't really have any dog in the politics of the Shadow Isles, Maokai is just the lovechild between Treebeard and Captain Planet, and Yorick is middle management. Evelynn is stuck in some sort of limbo because nobody, from lore team to gameplay team knows just what the fuck to do with her.

ADepressedLeona2 votes

{quoted}

We're doing a lot of thinking around Mordekaiser. He's going to be rather important, don't worry. That importance might not be completely apparent right away, but it will be. Oh yes, it will be...

This cryptic tease was brought to you by Poro Snax. Poro Snax. Now only 97% poro.

What the fuck do you mean by that?

CrazedPorcupine4 votes

Hey Jaredan, I'm coming into this thread because I'm a part of LeagueFactions (You know the group), and we try very heavily to have our stuff work with whatever you guys put out. The Fiora Lore was incredibly disappointing to most of the LeagueFactions Lore staff. I however, thought it wasn't too bad as it reminded me heavily of High Fantasy Series (Stormlight Archive, Song of Fire and Ice (aka Game of Thrones) and others).

My question is more, Runeterra's Lore is based heavily on these "Rune Wars". Wars that warped the very geography of the land due to the sheer power of the magics involved. My question is, Are we ever going to have a more clearly defined Timeline for the world of Runeterra, such as when did Aatrox first appear to the people of Runeterra? Was it during the time that the Watchers ruled the Freljord? Or was it after the Watchers fell? Was it before the Desertification of Shurima? or was it after Shurima had already become a scorching Wasteland? When did Icathia become an abandoned city left to be overrun by the creatures of the Void? When did the Void first make it's presence known in Runeterra?

I know it's not a very large priority, but to me, these things help me become invested in the world, help me think of ways champions, and even ordinary individuals act. It also helps identify, What is the driving factor in the creation of some Factions?

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