What I mean by this is compare Ionia vs. Noxus and Kalamanda to the Freljord and Shurima events. While I don't mind open-ended events if they're setting up crossovers with the other characters, I also would like some closure on some of these stories.
RiotCarnival Knights18 votesHopefully, yes. What you might not realize is that we already know how a number of those events end (or might end). The devil is in the details, as they say.
Now, telling the whole stories might take some time, but we reaaaaaally want to move away from bottomless cliffhangers unless they open up new avenues for storytelling.
Remlap12239 votesYou mean like the Freljord and Shurima? That's 100% cliffhanger right there. I'd be ok with you retconning the IOW if I knew that any of these conflicts would get resolved, but you got rid of all the benefits of the IOW (A way to make generic and arguably bland tropes interesting through a common buffer zone) without getting rid of the problems you were supposedly having with it (actual conflicts with actual resolutions ie. no cliffhangers.)
TerraRising14 votesHopefully, yes. What you might not realize is that we already know how a number of those events end (or might end). The devil is in the details, as they say.
Now, telling the whole stories might take some time, but we reaaaaaally want to move away from bottomless cliffhangers unless they open up new avenues for storytelling.
The obvious question becomes: Why will it take "some time" to tell these stories? If you know how an event "ends" (Shurima, for example,) why not complete the story? What information am I missing that would explain this?
RiotCarnival Knights10 votesQuite frankly put, we need to prioritize getting a bunch of champs updated. Those updates inform the short stories (most of which you also don't see yet) that create the foundations of character history and personality. By having that solid foundation to work on, the decisions characters make don't feel arbitrary, and the experience (and story world) is more cohesive as a whole.
Kobold4 votesQuite frankly put, we need to prioritize getting a bunch of champs updated.
Are you saying the visual updates are getting in the way of narrative? or something else? (I'm assuming something else)
RiotCarnival Knights10 votesOh no, not at all. By 'we need to get some champs updated' I mean in terms of story. Story updates.
Baron Von Bangin3 votesSo what I'm getting from this is that Singed's lore is going to be FUCKING EPIC.
Right?
Edit: Make a joke about the slowness of updating Singed's lore (2 years). Get the downvote.
CupcakeTrap21 votesOh no, not at all. By 'we need to get some champs updated' I mean in terms of story. Story updates.
Judging from recent experience, I assume that at least some of these updates will be major rewrites, rather than expansions or stylistic revisions. Are there any plans to discuss these rewrites with the community beforehand, the way that Riot handles reworks generally? That is to say, is Narrative going to engage meaningfully with the community and incorporate feedback while working on these rewrites, or is this going to remain a purely one-way relationship? I believe that, at least where we're talking about hardcore rewrites that drastically alter characters or settings, the community should be brought into the process.
I appreciate you posting on this board, but so far, you guys have plunked rewrites down as finished blocks, rather than bringing the community into the process. It'd be unfathomable to log in one day and find your favorite Champion's kit completely replaced without any prior community input, but the lore equivalent has happened several times in recent history. Most of Narrative's communication so far has been "hey, anyone want to talk about how cool what we just made is?" Nothing wrong with those threads, but they don't do anything to address this "one-way" problem.
You did come pretty close with this thread, close enough to make me reconsider my assumption that Narrative had rejected the Riot model of community engagement. In that thread, you were soliciting general ideas about a range of Champions, and even discussing those ideas with some semblance of back-and-forth interaction. It was a promising sign, but no more than that—it was all quite nebulous, and there were no specific plans for Champions being put up for discussion.
"Too early" (discussion before initial rewrite ideas have coalesced) is definitely better than "too late" (discussion after it's all set in stone), but I'm still hopeful that you'll hit that Goldilocks zone of "just right" in the not-too-distant future. For example, "We're planning to rewrite Teemo without the 'smiling sociopath' angle, and make him more of an uncomplicated hero of Bandle City. Thoughts? Alternatives?" or even "We're considering a major rewrite of Evelynn's lore, but we're still going between a few basic possibilities. What do you think about these? Which one draws you in the most?"
Motajo6 votesUgh, every time someone poses a difficult or more "meaty" question or response, Narrative flees. I expect it by now, but it's still getting even more tiresome.
Chromatic Eagle6 votesOh no, not at all. By 'we need to get some champs updated' I mean in terms of story. Story updates.
Have you fixed the issues with the character bios yet? I'm starting to think you should just release the rest of Shurima bios before jumping onto the Shadow Isles. It'd give us something to read in the meantime and give you guys some much needed feedback for the future.
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesOh no, not at all. By 'we need to get some champs updated' I mean in terms of story. Story updates.
Have you fixed the issues with the character bios yet? I'm starting to think you should just release the rest of Shurima bios before jumping onto the Shadow Isles. It'd give us something to read in the meantime and give you guys some much needed feedback for the future.
That's a tech issue, so Carnival wouldn't be the one to answer that
Chromatic Eagle4 votesOh no, not at all. By 'we need to get some champs updated' I mean in terms of story. Story updates.
Have you fixed the issues with the character bios yet? I'm starting to think you should just release the rest of Shurima bios before jumping onto the Shadow Isles. It'd give us something to read in the meantime and give you guys some much needed feedback for the future.
That's a tech issue, so Carnival wouldn't be the one to answer that
I understand it's a tech issue, but they've said that if it continues they'll just release them on the forums. Like they did with Azir and Xerath. It's been weeks, so I think they should release more.
Dotintheparadox7 votesSo gut them, and make them clichéd? Instead of realizing you could have actually worked off of the old stuff that actually gave each character their own complete motivations?
...Why were you people even hired for this lore anyways?
Dreamspitter6 votesSo gut them, and make them clichéd? Instead of realizing you could have actually worked off of the old stuff that actually gave each character their own complete motivations?
...Why were you people even hired for this lore anyways?
Clichéd in what sense?
This game is a trope loaded kitchen sink fantasy .
Granted.....League Judgments were very good.
Dotintheparadox5 votesI meant more along the lines of Skarner's lore change, the Brackern actually seemed original. Now he's generic desert guardian #086578.
And you can't say "Software limitations" with his race not even being included, because they could've managed at least mentioning that.
The old stories were pretty hollow, I will give you that, but removing even the shell is not an improvement, it's completely over-writing everything the old team did. Also, the areas were pretty clichéd, but the characters weren't, like seriously, who's the most stereotypical champ you can think of? (In terms of old lore)
Ulric Greatsword4 votesStereotypical isn't necessarily a bad thing. I consider 
the most stereotypical champion currently on the roster, but it works for him. He's the guy you're supposed to instantly identify as being a pirate captain and he fully lives up to that trope. Literally the only original (or should I say... orange-inal) thing about him is that he eats a lot of citrus fruit.
In terms of stereotypical areas, I more or less agree. Demacia and Badguy City, Ionasia, and Shuregypt are all pretty tropey. I will say, though, that Bandle City is the notable exception to that level of stereotypicality. It has a grab-bag of champions with vastly different agendas and lifestyles, it's quirky (and at times kind of creepy) in its own way, and although it looks like it will soon be redefined by the lore team as Standard Peaceful Hamlet of Adorable Comic-Relief Creatures #427, it still is the only area of Runeterra that really resembles the real world.
Dotintheparadox4 votesTropes aren't inherently bad, what's bad is when you don't try to separate at least by a little that which occupies that specific tropes. Everything has at least a few labels attached to it, no matter what.
And what I was trying say was, instead of getting rid of everything why couldn't micro-rewrites happen? So that things would be more fluid than before, I mean that's what retcons are SUPPOSED TO BE, NOT "We couldn't figure that out, so we removed everything.". This entire retcon was just a stupid idea, just because this is the first universe to do something like this, doesn't make it a good idea. It's like someone who writes something on DA, gives the reigns to someone else just because they don't care about it anymore, and then the new guy decides they didn't like a lot of it anyways, so they inject solely their own ideas into it. Despite there being fans that actually hold seniority over the new "Writer".
Also seems pretty stereotypical, but in the old JoJ, he had interactions just beyond being a pirate, unfortunately there weren't that many on him, so we couldn't get that much beyond the pirate.
Ulric Greatsword1 votesI agree with your opinion on the retcon. There were so many better ways it could have been handled. I assume by 'micro rewrites' you're not talking about their current model of replacing champion bios with one paragraph, right? Also, in case you haven't guessed, I'm a huge fan of Gangplank. He's not exactly a stereotypical pirate, but he was the closest champ I could think of to an existing stereotype.
Hellioning9 votesYou need to do that now?
...What have you guys been doing for the past few years?
Earl Eulrich6 votesBy having that solid foundation to work on, the decisions characters make don't feel arbitrary, and the experience (and story world) is more cohesive as a whole.
So all I get from that is that you retconned the "solid foundation" that already existed wthout even having explored beforehand how you want to replace it - and now you´re sort of in the air and improvising, as you hadn´t spent any thought on the retcon beforehand. It all seems like the spontanious idea from a naive child to me, frankly speaking.
If you go for a retcon of this size you should have prepared all these basic things in advance...it´slike if for every major update of a Champion he would have been hanging around with half a kit from the announcement till the finished rework - imagine Sion would have had only 2abilities for the last half year while they had been working on it. And that still would be a lot more to play with than what we got from Narrative so far after the announced retcon.
Boswick8 votesThis statement just blows my mind. First you tell us the IoW was too limiting for you guys to write good stories and now you tell us not having a cohesive, solid foundation for the story world prevents you from expanding on them. Which is it? It doesn't work both ways.
If this is the case, why ship the retcon without a replacement plot already written? I can't believe you guys still don't see how ass backwards this whole thing has been.
Criomhthann7 votesHow To Destroy Your Story:
1: Create a foundation 2: Write stories and characters that are centered around said foundation 3: Retcon foundation out of existence 4: Panic and run around with your hands in the air when you realize that nothing makes any sense without said foundation 5: Struggle halfheartedly to put together a new foundation that isn't the same as the old but also doesn't change the characters 6: ??? 7: Profit
You want to know why people hated ME3? It wasn't just because the endings were largely irrelevant to player choice (and that the initial ending might as well have just been a text screen that said "a winner is you"), it's because the ending discarded almost everything that was built up in ME1 and ME2 (the only thing they kept was "the reapers are coming"). You know, everything that built up to ME3? This resulted in an ending that buggered continuity, made no sense, gave the bad guys an inherently absurd motivation, and that solved everything through the use a magic.
Considering that, they probably would have made a killing by introducing the retcon gun from AO (Also known as "Why Bones? WHY?") and having it be used by the reincarnation of Marauder Shields to truely save us from the ending in a DLC.
ShadowKnight12245 votesThis is something that has been worrying me since the retcon was announced. I was concerned that without the IoW to provide a credible reason for why things are never resolved, that there would be endless cliffhangers or contrived last-minute saves so that X character can't die/kill their nemesis/become queen of the freljord/etc.
Thanks for making that post! It's good to know that we'll eventually get closure for the major storylines.
Mansana1 votesWill some arcs ever include shipping details?
Der Lindwurm5 votesWill some arcs ever include shipping details?
The spawn of Kat and Garen are coming to end us all...
Chromatic Eagle4 votesHopefully, yes. What you might not realize is that we already know how a number of those events end (or might end). The devil is in the details, as they say.
Now, telling the whole stories might take some time, but we reaaaaaally want to move away from bottomless cliffhangers unless they open up new avenues for storytelling.
Well why did Shurima end the way it did then? Why not conclude the Freljord? Are those examples of new storytelling?
Xulsigae5 votesCan champions die?
Diana x Me5 votesCan champions die?
If I were Riot I would tread very carefully here. A lot of people are very attached to their champs.
Like one of the few reasons I still play this game is because of Diana. I admit I have become very very attached to her (as if my name did not give that away already). I just ♡ her for so many reasons . I know it sounds stupid but, It even bothers me when I see other people using her. .......Maybe I have a problem >.>
I mean if they just decided to kill her off...angry would be a poor term to describe how I would feel. ,...... I'd have a hard time not quitting.
Xulsigae6 votesIndeed. I see it as a bit of a problem for story telling in this. If champions can die permanently, then there are stakes in this world and things can have emotional impact and show progress. If they can't die, then there are few stakes in the world and the stories have a risk of stagnating. If champions can die, that brings up questions of why they are still playable and shuts off further stories to be told with them, as well as irking fans of the champion. If champions can't die and the story stagnates, then the removal of the League will have been pointless.
DG Ashabel8 votesHave you considered that with you having abandoned the old lore in the middle of a major narrative arc, there is absolutely no way for you to move away from bottomless cliffhangers?
I mean that in the nicest way possible. You can write the most glorious new stories for your new setting, you can make that Saturday Morning Cartoon about the Shurima Rangers fighting Evil Vizier Jaffar Xerath, you can write super-dramatic epic fantasy novels about the Freljord civil war, but none of it will ever save you from that particular trope. You have abandoned your old lore in the middle of the event and didn't so much as try to provide an in-story explanation. Nothing you do will rescue your story from bottomless cliffhangers because no matter what you write, the biggest and most persistent one will never be resolved.
cshakes10 votesA reminder to Riot: you can end one story arc and create a new one from the dénouement. An example: Nami cooperates with Diana, an epic quest follows, during which character and world are built, then Nami gets her moonstone, returns it to her people, and then decides to come back to the surface to advocate against Zaun etc dumping all their toxic chemicals in the ocean. New plot in effect!
Of course, that plot is bad, but I came up with it in under a minute. You could start by taking a few champions you'd like to tell stories about, make a post on the forums where people could chat a bit about what story they'd like to see, give thought points, and tell what they'd like to have the champs do after the main story. Eg. RiotLoreDrone: So, we're currently planning to tell a story about Shyvana going to Zaun on a fetch quest by Jarvan IV. What kind of things would you like to see of Zaun? This is going to be a sort of outsider perspective on Zaun so that we can properly explore some of its quirks. How much of Shyv's internal goings-on would you guys like to see? ForumPoster: Sounds cool! What format are you going to tell it in? I think a sort of Noir-esque comic would be nice, so we'd have visuals and Shyvana's personality would be reflected in its tone. I'm a huge Zaun fan, not so much Shyvana, so could we have her interact with at least one Zaun champion? LoreFan: Yay, Shyvana! Could we get some interaction between Shyvana and Jarvan at the start or end? (Maybe both, so it'd bookend the story?!) Also, could we have something on Demacian court life next? I'd love to see how Shyvana deals with all the noble Houses (and how they deal with her :P ).
...and so forth. You could mine ideas (noir comic, something on Demacian nobility) from forum posts.
Criomhthann5 votesKind of, conclusions are limited by how they treat the champions without any underlying foundation to keep everything together. The primary draw back of the retconning of the IOW is that stories like the Freljord can't have a meaningful or satisfying cogent conclusion without it which means everything requires a new workaround.
Dreamspitter3 votesKind of, conclusions are limited by how they treat the champions without any underlying foundation to keep everything together. The primary draw back of the retconning of the IOW is that stories like the Freljord can't have a meaningful or satisfying cogent conclusion without it which means everything requires a new workaround.
Why would the Freljord need the IoW to have a meaningful or satisfying conclusion?
Criomhthann5 votesBecause what happens in a meaningful conclusion is what logically follows from the circumstances, and whats happened in the Freljord is multiple groups with insurmountable existential differences violently competing for total dominance of the region.
The existence of the IoW on one hand left the enforcement of the status quo possible and at the other end, subjugation of the losers. Without it, neither are an option.
Lissandra wants to kill everyone. Sejuani wants to kill everyone. Ashe is the only one with the story potential to put her enemies into subjugation (in a sense) upon victory rather than outright killing them. Only Sejuani won't except any form of surrender (from herself or anyone else) and if Lissandra starts acting in force, no reasonably sane individual would even allow her the opportunity.
The end result is that without a lot of hand-waving (which would leave an unsatisfying ending) Riot has to start killing a lot of champions. Only that's in direct conflict with their apparent marketing strategy, at least as I understand it.
Dreamspitter1 votesBecause what happens in a meaningful conclusion is what logically follows from the circumstances, and whats happened in the Freljord is multiple groups with insurmountable existential differences violently competing for total dominance of the region.
The existence of the IoW on one hand left the enforcement of the status quo possible and at the other end, subjugation of the losers. Without it, neither are an option.
Lissandra wants to kill everyone. Sejuani wants to kill everyone. Ashe is the only one with the story potential to put her enemies into subjugation (in a sense) upon victory rather than outright killing them. Only Sejuani won't except any form of surrender (from herself or anyone else) and if Lissandra starts acting in force, no reasonably sane individual would even allow her the opportunity.
The end result is that without a lot of hand-waving (which would leave an unsatisfying ending) Riot has to start killing a lot of champions. Only that's in direct conflict with their apparent marketing strategy, at least as I understand it.
But you see now because the GAME itself isnt tied to the story............characters can theoretically DIE.
But it doesnt matter in gameplay because you can ALWAYS still play them.
Maybe Graves finally kills say Twisted Fate.
Then somebody raises him and he's underworld Twisted Fate making a skin valid "main canon".
That aside characters die in comic books, but they can always reboot/start over.
Criomhthann5 votesBut you see now because the GAME itself isnt tied to the story............characters can theoretically DIE.
I literally just addressed this in the post you are responding too; it runs counter to their marketing strategy. Riot isn't looking to kill off Champions because it would end the story of the champions and generate a lot of negative feedback. This is especially the case in events like the Freljord, where we aren't talking about one champion death, but also the deaths of any champions aligned with them. In this case the victory of any one faction would require the death of all champions run contrary to the winning party.
Say Sejuani wins. The result would be the deaths of not just Ashe and Lissandra, but also the likely deaths of Anivia, Braum, Gragas, Nunu, Tryndamere, and Trundle (who is like to die no matter who wins, as Lissandra is merely using him).
The death of one champion is a tall order in and of itself both in terms of story and publicity. Multiple champions? Forget about it. Riot is more risk averse than they like to pretend.
That aside characters die in comic books, but they can always reboot/start over.
Requiring a reboot of the entire universe. That'll go over well.
Dotintheparadox4 votesA micro rewrite is where you change something in a single character's history to make them more feasible. A good example of a character that has been drowned in them is Power-girl of DC, she has one of the weirdest retcon histories, but she really needed them. They are not, leave them with a one paragraph existence.
By the way, I'm assuming they're trying to replace the in-client lore with videos, as showcased by the new Kalista cinematic. However, yeah it looks really cool, but it actually gives you jack-shit on the actual character.
The current Narrative team needs to actually think about what they're doing, (And maybe even listen to fans that have known this universe longer than most of their actual employees...) but apparently they aren't going to do that anytime soon™.
So, until otherwise, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
The Whamboozler3 votesI assumed the arc would "end" when they decide to scrap the new lore like the did the old one.
Athenes Lulu3 votesNope, because they want to "expand on storytelling".
Wonder why old Trundle was "reworked"?
LordHippoman2 votes"Narrative, please talk to us." "Okay, here's what we're-" "HACKS INCOMPETENT IDIOTS FIRE FIRE WORTHLESS" "..." "Wow, Riot never talks to us..."
Story Boards in a nutshell.
Oh also something about Graves' cigar I guess.
Seriously, I know it's only a few of you doing this, but the routine is tired already. There are a lot of people here making really valid complaints without caterwauling endlessly about how Narrative is evilsatandemons.
Diana x Me3 votes"Narrative, please talk to us." "Okay, here's what we're-" "HACKS INCOMPETENT IDIOTS FIRE FIRE WORTHLESS" "..." "Wow, Riot never talks to us..."
Story Boards in a nutshell.
Oh also something about Graves' cigar I guess.
Seriously, I know it's only a few of you doing this, but the routine is tired already. There are a lot of people here making really valid complaints without caterwauling endlessly about how Narrative is evilsatandemons.
Soooo, you are trying to start another issue amongst the populace?
Tbh I'm just annoyed with the way they do things. They do not make any sense. Almost everything they do is illogical in some way or form ex. They talk to the community and ask us what we think, then they proceed to do the exact opposite of what we suggested or go off and completely forget it and suddenly start working on something else. It's just barreling.
LordHippoman2 votesThe community isn't one giant bundle, though. There are a huge smattering of opinions on the boards and in the community in general. I just mean that we'd probably get more Red posts and discussion if we didn't bare our teeth and snarl at everyone who comes to talk. TBH I'm with you, I hate losing the IOW and the League, I've loved this game for 4 years and it stings to have the heart of the story replaced, but I just don't see the point in getting super angry on the boards at people like CarnivalKnights or Jaredan, who are honestly trying to answer questions.
I feel like we're starting to become what people thought we were after that incident where Rioters started recieving rape/death threats from "lore fans", who were obviously just trolls or GD'ers who smelled blood in the water. Vengeful, angry people overreacting to a game. Not nearly despicable enough to send threats like that, but in that kind of vein of just frothing anger. And I hate that. I miss conversations about League and not about what format Lore was best in or how angry we all are about retcons or whatever. I like the dialmark4action threads and the favorite city state threads, and we used to always have that. But now it just feels like I'm stepping into a damn warzone every time I post, and Riot probably feels that way too. So I think if everyone takes a moment to chill, things might start improving on both ends. And not everyone's going to be down with that, but the Boards should feel fun, not like a place where someone's constantly under attack. That's what I liked about Lore Discussion pre-retcon days, we had like one silly thread slapfight a month, max.
DG Ashabel8 votesMan, this post is ridiculously inflammatory. Don't do that to yourself, Hippo. You're better than that.
While some people have become pretty biting with how they voice their opinions, I think the core undercurrent in responses in this thread is fairly consistent and worth looking at. A quick browsing of the thread will give you two very consistent complaints.
The narrative's actions contradict their words.
Not only did every single event in the last three years end on a cliffhanger, but they cliffhangered the entire old lore. My post below was without malice; I really will enjoy an epic fantasy novel about Freljord (Ashe is still one of my biggest favorites) and I do love me some Saturday Morning Cartoons (my lunch breaks are currently spent on marathoning Avatar). But there is literally no way for them to escape cliffhanger land now for the simple reason that people will demand answers for the old lore, which will never be provided.
It turns out that a new foundation for the story hasn't been laid out yet.
Nobody is sure why that is. There haven't been any narrative-related events between Freljord and Shurima, which is 1.5 years. Back when the announcement of retcon came out, people expressed discontent with not being given complete information on the new lore, but were overall patient because they figured yes, the foundation was laid out already and the lore team wants to reveal it in their usual surprise way.
Now it turns out that none of the foundation was laid out at any point and the narrative team is at the exact same point as we are. That sounds way too much like them having done absolutely nothing in years, and it sounds way too much like them introducing enormous world-shifting changes to the lore by hastily improvising everything without any actual thought behind it.
And all that is compounded by the fact that in the last month, it turned out that nobody else in Riot seems to take the narrative team seriously.
According to his posts on Reddit, Tryndamere (the company's goddamn president) didn't even know about the retcon and removal of Summoners from the lore. In the meantime, the new legacy skin sale has a small narrative about Caitlyn investigating a theft from the costume vault of the League of Legends. Nobody except the narrative actually seems to follow the narrative plan laid out by the narrative, which is pretty depressing to think about.
I've been pondering this over the last few weeks and honestly, I have reached the point where I dread every time the narrative team posts to the lore forums. Most of their appearances are a Surprise Party Fiddlesticks - loud, obnoxious, very painful and making your entire team wonder what the hell is going on. I would love if they posted something that doesn't have a verbal nuke like that dropped just once.
Thankfully, they seem to be steadily running out of ways to flabbergast people, so unless tomorrow will bring a retcon that turns Diana into a delusional hooker from Zaun, it will finally bring us a time of uneasy peace.
LordHippoman1 votesAlright, I do disagree with you on the Red Posts, I think some of them have brought a lot of good (Actually getting the updated Azir/Xerath stories, CarnivalKnights doing the mini AMA in Terra's thread a few days back), but you're right, I really could have worded that post better. That one is my fault, and I should have realized that when I made a similar point in a thread a week or two ago, but less sarcastic, and it went over a lot better.
But look, it's in my contract. If I make one funny post about Draven's moustache, I'm allowed to make one bad post to buffer myself.
From the "Why Can't Riven Get Back to Noxus Thread" "
Because she has Broken Wings!
That one didn't count.
Diahane1 votesAlright, I do disagree with you on the Red Posts, I think some of them have brought a lot of good (Actually getting the updated Azir/Xerath stories, CarnivalKnights doing the mini AMA in Terra's thread a few days back), but you're right, I really could have worded that post better. That one is my fault, and I should have realized that when I made a similar point in a thread a week or two ago, but less sarcastic, and it went over a lot better.
But look, it's in my contract. If I make one funny post about Draven's moustache, I'm allowed to make one bad post to buffer myself.
From the "Why Can't Riven Get Back to Noxus Thread" "
That one didn't count.
I appreciated the sarcasm though. But only because I knew it was you writing it, that is to say, because I knew it was sarcasm coming from someone who usually does good posts and not a provocation or whatever.
On the red posts matter, I think they have brought something good too, like CarnivalKnights effort to answer the community's questions. Still, we've got the aggravating problem that no real AMA has been obtained and that the most pressing matters couldn't be solved. By this I'm talking about the question about the Kalamanda arc being confusing without the IoW. I respect CarnivalKnights for his effort to uphold Riot's way in the lore boards too, but I think that narrative as a team should address this issue and actually respond to the most pressing problems the lore has. In the worst case scenario, a "you're right, it's a plot hole we're working to fix" and an approximate timeline to know something more about it would be enough. Reading that you just need to take the IoW out of sentences and "puff" things are ready for the new canon it's downplaying the retcon and, honestly, it hurts me and make me think they're either making a fool out of us or taking us for fools, both of which are not a nice thing.