My question is this, do you think somebody sent Evelynn to kill Vayne's parents or did Evelynn do it out of her own will?
Follow up questions, if it is the former then who do you think hired her?
If it's the latter then why do you think she did it?
KoKoboto4 votesI think someone hired Evelynn to kill Vayne's parents. Her parents had traveled the world and were super rich so they probably got some enemies or something. She's an assassin for hire with her most recent lore and it might stay like that.
Anyone could have hired Evelynn to kill Vayne's parents.
ChunLii1 votesI was thinking that maybe it was Valdimir that sent Evelynn. Vayne has Vlad listed as a rival so perhaps they will explore that connection?
Moreover, in the old lore it was implied to be a witch from the Black Rose that made Vayne into an orphan so maybe they are also keeping Vayne's connection to the black rose.
A counterpoint to this would be that Riot doesn't want to go the route of every demacian had their life ruined by a noxian rout. Although technically black rose is an ancient independent secret society and not a noxian one many people associate black rose with noxus
Blood Magicks1 votesVlad is the same age as Vayne and thus was likely too young to have done it (and he was probably busy doing med school/blood magic in the middle of nowhere at that age).
Source: someone posted a list of speculated character ages and a rioter agreed with it
Evelynn was also implied to be the focus of a cult in the outskirts of Demacia, so a bit too far from Noxian influence
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Vlad is the same age as Vayne and thus was likely too young to have done it (and he was probably busy doing med school/blood magic in the middle of nowhere at that age).
Source: someone posted a list of speculated character ages and a rioter agreed with it
Evelynn was also implied to be the focus of a cult in the outskirts of Demacia, so a bit too far from Noxian influence
Can you send me a link to that post? I'd like to see it. (Just for other lore purposes)
Blood Magicks1 votes
Tiniest Turtle1 votesI think someone hired Evelynn to kill Vayne's parents. Her parents had traveled the world and were super rich so they probably got some enemies or something. She's an assassin for hire with her most recent lore and it might stay like that.
Anyone could have hired Evelynn to kill Vayne's parents.
Part of this is assumption, but I think its safe to say she's no longer an assassin by profession. In game she'll be an assassin, but in her lore I think she'll be something new judging by her involvement in Vayne's lore painting her as such. The Eve mentioned in Vayne's lore was supposed to be new Eve slipped into existing lore before her rework was fully released, her current bio and story are likely not going to be canon anymore. I think she's more like Tahm kench than Talon now, and that her actions will be independant and out of her desire to cause pain and misery.
Karn Bishop1 votesHave you met vayne mains? is that not reason enough?
Seriously though if they were anything like vayne in terms of attitude/arrogance eve likely killed them for their arrogance, they arrogantly claim that they can kill or she cannot kill them i could see eve doing so just to make a point, i do it all the time in games vs cocky players bragging in /all chat.
KoKoboto2 votesVayne wasn't arrogant as youth at all and there is nothing to say she was.
[Vayne] spent most of her childhood indulged in solitary pursuits – reading, learning music, and avidly collecting the various insects found on their manor’s grounds.
It was only after her parents were killed, after she killed Frey, and a after she killed that first monster that she became pretty arrogant. I wouldn't even call it arrogant though, she is a psychopath that kills for fun.
Karn Bishop1 votesWell she had it in her to adopt those traits and she had to learn them from someone and i highly doubt her mamma n papa were the humble type.
KoKoboto1 votesDemacia as a state would look down on arrogance. Vayne's family moved to Demacia because they aligned with their values.
Karn Bishop1 votesYou have to be pretty arrogant to proclaim yourself as the kingdom of true light and justice in the world while also creating a giant magic statue to kill and eliminate all magic and execute people for the crime of having magic, i mean if that's not arrogance i don't know what is.
ChunLii1 votesMaybe but there are outliners like with Noxus and certain champions. Jarvan who is the favourite for the throne for example is a radical by their standard for being open minded and even befriended Shyvanna. Though it does make me wonder how successful he will be with such extreme views in demacia.
KoKoboto2 votesI wouldn't call Demacia arrogant for all of that. I wouldn't call America arrogant for going to war at that time and all that stuff.
Demacia fears magic because of rune wars so they don't that shit happening again, they are really conservative and I wouldn't call being conservative being arrogant.
American fears communism because it fucked up everyone and they were planning on going around or something. They were (and still are kinda) really liberal and I wouldn't call being liberal being arrogant.
Arrogant is having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. Demacia isn't exaggerating. Vayne's parents aren't exaggerating.
Karn Bishop1 votesheh as an American i disagree, takes a lot of arrogance to fake intelligence reports to invade a country, takes even more for the next president promising to reduce wars then starting several of his own.
Also its socialism most Americans vilify all without being aware of the irony of that given all our best systems are socialist, n yes that includes social security and silly things like the national guard.
KoKoboto1 votesYou need to review the definition of arrogance.
Karn Bishop1 votesan attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions
I did, seems i am using it right.
KoKoboto1 votesDemacia fears magic because of rune wars so they don't that shit happening again.
They built necessary defenses and the likes to stop magic from ruining the world. Galio was supposed to be something to be brought to battles just to decrease magic. They COULD have just made him a big square but they wanted a powerful symbol for their state, who would bring a big square to a fight if they had the option to carve it into a a admirable statue thing.
No where has Demacia self-proclaimed themselves as the "true light", they have proclaimed themselves and their laws as just because that is their politics. They have strong reasoning to claim their laws as just because they look at precedence with the rune wars. Magic is too dangerous and practitioners of such dangerous things should be brought to justice.
Demacia isn't an expansionist state in comparison to Noxus. They for the most part stay amongst themselves and fight against potential magical threats. They only execute practitioners of magic. They have the tools to deal with magic as well as we see with how Lux is brought up in her youth. So execution isn't their only option, they use it if you practice magic which is a crime.
Demacia is known as a state where it's peoples help one another. Helping one another is not arrogant in any way, being able to accept help and give help is in no way arrogant. Garen, Jarvan, Lux, Galio, Xin Zhao, Shyvana, Quinn, and Vayne have all sought out helped and are main figures of Demacia. Arrogant people wouldn't ask for help cause they're so certain of their own superiority.
There is nothing that points to Demacia having an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner, neither are they offensive.
You're not using it right.
Karn Bishop1 votesYou can't both be of the true light while also killing and suppressing people for being born with a gift that is neither evil nor good, thats no different then sentencing someone to death for the colour of their eyes or the hue of their hair or skin, so claiming to be champions of the light while committing evil is arrogant.
Even lux a high born daughter must suppress her magic and the only reason she is not beheaded and on a pike is due to her status and the damage that would do to their image if it were ever found out.
Also no they aren't an expansionist state but not for the lack of trying, if they had enough anti magic stone to eventually cover the entire continent many other states would currently be part of demacia, its part of the reason they even made galio in an attempt to make a mobile anti magic field to war in conquer they just underestimated their enemy's wisdom to strike demacia if the statue ever leaves its borders as they wasted far too many materials on galio and thus weakened demacias anti magic defense as a whole should he ever leave.
HalfTangible2 votesActually, we know that magic users are allowed to live in Demacia. Specifically, the slums. That's not good either, but it's better than "head on a pike".
Also, Demacia isn't even trying to expand. Their lore talks all the time about protecting Demacia and what's theirs, but we never see them aim to take that which belongs to another empire.
KoKoboto1 votesIn the rare event that they needed to settle a conflict abroad, their military proved fierce and formidable. But when their enemies employed sorcery, Demacia’s roaming army had little to counter it.
And here's how they aren't arrogant:
The people of Demacia are driven by their common cause to disseminate benevolence and order for the betterment of all beings throughout Valoran. They view malice and selfishness as a disease which should be expunged from the psyche of humankind. Those who come to Demacia and choose to settle within its borders are expected to share the ideals and virtues of its citizenry. Those who seek personal gain at the expense of others quickly find themselves ostracized… or worse.
Arrogance can be tied to selfishness as both try directly to one person and Demacia looks down on that. Benevolence means being kind and well-hearted and I wouldn't call most arrogant people kind or well hearted. Yes their can be selfish or kind people that aren't arrogant but that's such a huge stretch. Especially when Demacia prides themselves on helping on another so much. The only way I see arrogance working is "hah hah I helped so many today hah hah hah".
Unless you got any evidence to support anything you say than I'm pretty done talking to you.
Karn Bishop1 votesThere are entire demacia stories of people begging garen for mercy and that he is innocent followed by murder for even being related to magic in any ways shape or form, garen did not care if the man was innocent just that he be put down.
KoKoboto1 votesAnd.... no proof... Have a nice day, enjoy your head cannons :^)
HalfTangible2 votestakes a lot of arrogance to fake intelligence reports to invade a country
Implying that America made them up, even though we've since learned that they were in fact true, and other countries corroborated with reports of their own.
The intelligence agencies of the world were wrong, that doesn't equal lying.
yes that includes social security and silly things like the national guard.
The irony is that you praise socialism but have no idea what socialism is. Seriously, the NATIONAL GUARD, a concept that existed long before America was a thing, let alone socialist theory?! Social security is near collapse and you praise it? FFS, read something -.-
Regarding Demacia: arrogance is a pretty subjective term, but I think it's undeniable that Demacia is self-important and sees itself as the greatest example of humanity. It could be argued that Demacia's refusal to use magic is indicative of an irrational fear. But I don't think so.
They fear magic because they live in a society where demon-cults that worship Evelynn, dark wizards and monsters like manticores plague their society, in no small part because of petricite. And given that the Rune Wars not only were a thing but were the primary reason Demacia was founded in the first place, they're right to be scared.
Karn Bishop1 votesYou use examples of why people fear magic and should hide and persecute it, what about the regions that refuse that logic and even embrace magic as a core value? Ionia, piltover, bandle, freljord, all seem to be doing well despite demacian meddling.
as to your other stuff.
Socialist programs are some of our most important programs, arrogantly proclaiming they are not does not make it so.
Most people cannot afford the national guard, its just there when needed paid for by everyone for the benefit of everyone, you can argue semantics if you want though i don't have to listen.
Claiming all socialism is evil is like claiming all democracy's are good neither is true.
also to date no war started by george bush has resulted in the capture or surfacing of weapons of mass destruction, not even a single gram of a weapon of such magnitude that was not already supplied by us in the first place.
HalfTangible1 votesTo which I would respond, Venezuela.
"Socialism" does not mean "government program" -___- Socialism is an economic model that, frankly, does not work.
You use examples of why people fear magic and should hide and persecute it
Lemme stop you right there.
I did not say it 'should' occur. I am providing examples of why Demacians being afraid of magic makes sense.
I'll thank you not to make shit up when you're criticizing my point, thanks. -.-
what about the regions that refuse that logic and even embrace magic as a core value? Ionia, piltover, bandle, freljord, all seem to be doing well despite demacian meddling.
"Meddling?" Are we reading the same lore? Demacia is isolationist and traditional, owing in no small part to the rich natural resources of their own land and the presence of petricite. They don't get involved with others, even those they find disgusting, because as far as they're concerned they're a waste of time.
Yes. I believe that the destruction of the entire planet outweighs that some nations are doing fine right now. It certainly does within the eyes of Demacia's populace.
I'm not arguing that Demacia is the best kingdom in the world for thinking this way, just saying it's not unreasonable to be afraid of magic. If you don't like Demacia, fine, but criticize its actual problems. How badly they treat their mages, the fact that avoiding magic leaves them woefully unprepared to deal with it without petricite, the rejection of people like Shyv and Lux for circumstances of birth. This is all worth criticizing.
"You shouldn't be afraid of magic just because it put the Apocalypse in 'post-apocalyptic'" is completely senseless.
also to date no war started by george bush has resulted in the capture or surfacing of weapons of mass destruction, not even a single gram of a weapon of such magnitude that was not already supplied by us in the first place.
WMDs were used in Syria and other conflicts in the middle east, and evidence showed they were moved there from Iraq. More to the point, we were discussing the intelligence that led to the invasion, not the results. It's easy to say "this was a stupid idea" after the fact. Intelligence showed that Hussein had WMDs. He had used WMDs in a previous war and there was no reason to assume he wouldn't do so again.
This is the last I will say about it, because I'm not interested in starting a flame war.
Halodjin Tyr1 votescalling it here, Evelynn killed Annies parents.
KoKoboto1 votesHer parents are alive in old lore.
Halodjin Tyr1 votesright which means they died recently, I blame the blue smurf, who is obviously suffering from Silver poisoning TF is a bitch in break ups.