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Can you put Kayle and Morg's dual update somewhere near Eve's and Urgot's?

Lùmen··9 votes·2,256 views

I personally think that the idea of a dual update, which is very unique and considering how much of an identity crisis the two are having right now, I feel like they are in a much more important spot than some of the others, as in.. A more important than other champs like Morde and Nunu IMO. I had never had a taste for the two champions, both lore-wise and gameplay wise and I just can't help but to imagine how epic the first dual update of league would be. Since they're connected in lore, you will also make a section featuring both of them together in their biography and color stories in their universe pages as well, am I right on that one?

TL;DR: I think Kalye and Morg deserve to be prioritized in their update, I don't think they deserve it before Urgot and Eve, and not directly after them, just not have them somewhere around the lines of less prioritized champions like Irelia and Swain.

21 Comments

Mogarl2 votes

Very few champions need a VU more than Mordekaiser at this point; he's a shiny walking eyesore with pizza feet. That's without mentioning his ball of band-aids gameplay. The next runners for VGU's are easily Akali Amumu Chogath DrMundo Irelia Jax Kayle Nunu Pantheon Shaco Swain Teemo Tryndamere

Morgana is just tagged onto Kayle because she'll be updated visually with her. She'll get a minor gameplay pass (unless Riot has changed there mind since I read this a year ago) Morganna at most might get changes at the scope of Tristana's VGU. She doesn't need a gameplay update nearly as bad as any of the champions listed above and her visuals are on par.

A Kayle and Morgana update doesn't take priority over all of those other champions. IMO

GreenLore1 votes

Uhm they have 2 update teams and one is currently working on Urgot while the other one is already working on Eve. So your best case scenario would likely be that the Urgot team starts working on Kayle(she will likely need more work than Morgana) once they are finished with Urgot,in which case the dual update would come out after Eve.

Wrathof3002 votes

What if one team handles both of them. They are the same species and they would esssentially be creating a new race in league, so they would be more in the zone to do both Kayle and Morganna, opposed to one team coming up with everything for Kayle and then the next team creating Morganna based on what the other team did.

Team Beta could also do a dual update to re-balance the rework schedule. Maybe Leona and Diana (I personally don't see the KayleMorgana reworking being within the next year.

GreenLore2 votes

I could see one team handling both,though I remember that a rioter said that they'll be reworking them together with both teams.

If they did this,then the other team should actually pick a rework that should go rather fast,so that they could give us something while we wait for the dual update(as the dual update will take longer than others)

Lùmen1 votes

I think that the purpose of a dual update is that both teams should join forces to work together on them (they need to represent their oppositions in their kits and overall design so may as well have both teams develop them together simultaneously)

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah,but in that case they would need to wait for an opportunity when both teams are almost finished with their current projects or one team would need to work on a different project and then stop that project once the other is done with theirs,so that both can work together.

Wrathof3001 votes

Based on lore Kayle and Morgana need the update just as badly as some tier 2 champions on the VGU list. But in terms of everything else, Rammus Nunu Swain Malphite they need it more. And Irelia and Pantheon are champions they have really distinct themes to build on, and are basically wasted potential, which Riot views as important. Hence, although they may have more stable kits, good skins and lore, they will be prioritized.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

Morgana is used very often. Urgot is almost never used.

Urgot needs an update much more.

Moonboy651 votes

Morgana is in a good spot for Gameplay, but in Visuals and Artwork? definitely

so when they reach the duo VGU, they'll most likely only touch Morgana on the art side (new splashes and model)

thecowley1 votes

Do either of them need full reworks? Neither of them are busted but fill like they both have solid kits.

GreenLore1 votes

Kayle definetly needs a full VGU. Her passive,Q and W are all rather bland and her kit doesn't feel like it fits together.

Morgana mainly needs a visual update,but they said already that if they update Kayle,they'll give Morgana a VGU as well,though Morganas gameplay-changes will likely be rather small(more comparable to Tristanas update)

Wordofmask1 votes

Meddler doesn't believe the team will be getting to this dual update this year as follows

"I don't believe we'll be working on Morg or Kayle this year in terms of significant updates. As far as a dual update goes it's a really cool idea we've speculated about, but not something we've committed to." ref: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/02/red-post-collection-2017-international.html

While dual update sounds cool but it would be unacceptable if the duo get the update before those who are in need VGUs more than them like Morde Swain Akali. For me Kayle and Morge could be wait for it till 2019.

Swarovsko1 votes

Imo Evelynn should get a VGU in like 2018/2019. Swain Akali Karma Sona Teemo Morgana Kayle need a VGU more than Evelynn does. Karma and Sona could be fixed with an enchanter update, their themes are amazing and they are so wasted with their current kits rn. I'm pretty sure they could be so much more, especially Karma.

xWaters1 votes

I made a thread about it but I got downvoted to hell with people citing her "visuals" are bad.

Swarovsko1 votes

Valid argumentations... Valid argumentations everywhere.

Lùmen1 votes

This is where people get emotional and rational thought does not cross their minds. tsk

GreenLore1 votes

Like you say,Karma and Sona would be fine with an enchanter update,but a completely different team handles these group updates,so Eves VGU has nothing to do with it.

And overall Eve does need it a lot.Her design is rather outdated,her lore is pretty much empty,her model is outdated and she doesn't play the way she is supposed to be played for years now,as she is usually played as a fighter,not as an assassin.

Sure Swain,Akali and Kayle need a VGU too,but I'd say that they don't need it more than Eve(though maybe as much as her)

And I disagree about Teemo(and Morgana to some extend,but she will be done alongside Kayle,who really needs the VGU),his kit is still pretty unique among the roster,his lore and theme might not be outstanding,but are functional and his ingame model is actually rather ok,mostly because his big head fits with his design

thecowley1 votes

I have hard time buying that because she was first champion i bought(ip) and really mained. She is super fun. I think she needs tweeking, and q is only skill i think is weird in her kit.

GreenLore1 votes

I'd say her W and passive could also need an overhaul. Her W simply feels lackluster to use and her passive feels almost nonexistent

thecowley1 votes

Its a debuff stacking. I can defienetly tell the differenc3 everytime i get one of my three core items(nashors rageblade or gunblade) the difference my as maked.

As far as lack luster i think newer champs are way over loaded. I understand wanting to have a variety of skill floors for champs, but some champs have these huge paragraphs or even two paragraphs of skill descriptions. Thats just too much in my opinion. Ww rework is a good example of what i think a superb baseline is.

One skill is complex and takes strong game mechanics and knowledge to make the most use out of; his W. You have to have high map awareness and ability to understand and predict off it. Its probably one thing I struggle most with at this point. I understand skill mechanics of the champs i play regularly, now im trying to capitilaize on enemy mistakes and working my own and allies global positions.

Dragon Master1 votes

Don't you dare skip Swain. It's been 5 years since his last skin dammit.

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