@Riot Nurse Flan Janna's two most expensive skins, Star Guardian and Forecast, are both pay to lose.

Mârty·10/9/2016, 4:01:09 PM·257 votes·39,273 views

Forecast Janna has been pay to lose for three years, and though I have pointed out the skin's issue since its release, it hasn't been addressed. Fnatic was just a model change, but there's a worrying trend of expensive Janna skins being pay to lose with the release of Star Guardian

Star Guardian Janna

This skin has a few flaws that make choosing it actually reduce your effectiveness as a support for your team with respect to any other (non-forecast) Janna skin.

1. SG Janna's howling gale is visually noisy when charging up, making the charged howling gale much more difficult to land as it's telegraphed way more than any other skin. The differences can be seen below.

Howling Gale Comparisons (Thanks Waffle for helping me take these screenshots!)

Note how the contrast of the yellow star and the purple winds of the charging gale make it way more noticeable and in-your-face that a charged tornado is coming. Because charged tornadoes are already difficult to land, this extra visual cue will make you miss more often.

To fix this, the yellow stars need to be removed. It's not worth it when they start to affect gameplay.

Edit: Some people have mentioned that the audio for charging a Q is also really loud, so I'm including that as feedback here. Consider softening the SFX of the spell.

2. SG Janna's Monsoon heal is difficult for her team mates to notice, it is visually quiet for a heal with respect to her other skins.

Friendly Classic Monsoon Friendly Star Guardian Monsoon Lone Friendly Star Guardian Monsoon

The only indicator that Janna is offering her team mates a heal is the teal circle around her, there are no additional heal effects. In a very noisy teamfight, it's simply too difficult for allies to quickly register that Janna is currently offering an AoE heal to her team. With classic skin, there are green sparkles that appear which make the heal very clear.

Star Guardian simply doesn't offer that, the only indication that there is a heal here is a teal circle, which is the only case in the game where teal = heal.

To fix this, there needs to be a lot more actual green for the sake of clarity. I'm sure the skins team is clever enough to come up with a better way to telegraph the heal for her allies. How its done now is very poor.

These two issues combined make the skin not viable in a competitive situation. I have no reason to pick this skin in ranked, as I'm just hurting my chances of winning. As a result, no competitive player would ever pick SG Janna in a pro game, meaning this skin will never be played in any pro game.

Overall, for Janna's first 1350 skin, I'm very disappointed in SG Janna. I hope these issues can be addressed.

Forecast Janna

This skin has had an audio issue since its release. I have unfortunately never been able to use this skin in a ranked game as I'm competitively disadvantaged.

What upsets me the most is how Riot actually considered this skin a competitive advantage, and banned it until they made her Q more visible. This was the meme of the year for Janna players, as Forecast Janna by far has the most clear Q telegraph of every Janna skin.

When Forecast Janna begins charging a howling gale, an audio track plays. She wails like a banshee, letting her opponents know that a charged Q is on its way. She may as well scream "GET OUT OF THE GOD DAMN WAY I'M LAUNCHING A TORNADO IN THREE SECONDS!".

The extra audio cue can be heard here.

There are two potential fixes to this. Riot can either:

  • Mute the wail for enemies, so the player experience will not change for the user but enemies will not receive the extra audio cue. OR
  • Play the audio cue when the tornado LAUNCHES, not when the tornado gets charged. This might be easier to do considering this skin is old and there's likely some fettuccine code that Riot might be too scared to touch.

The first option is much preferred however.

Please address these issues, I want to see Janna have some high quality skins with cool particles. It's been two years since we have seen a new Janna skin, and I can't even play the newest one in a ranked game or competitive tournament game because it's a disadvantage.

With respect to non-gameplay affecting feedback, SG Janna has a really boring backside model. I'm not sure what it is, looking at the model from the back is just....plain and dull. Considering on blue side bot lane you are staring at her backside a lot more often, it would be nice to have some sort of design/anything on her back to prevent it from looking so plain.

The colours of the skin itself are fairly boring too. I don't think enough of a gradient is present, the skin could use much more shades of purple to give it a bit more life. The skin model is a bit too plain for me, considering it's a 1350 skin. Star Guardian Janna is unfortunately very underwhelming IMO.

I'm again overall disappointed that the first Janna skin in two years is star guardian, but it's pointless to complain about that. For the love of god though, can the next Janna skin be something badass? We have plenty of girly Janna skins, where's my Reaper Soraka/Deep Sea Nami/Ravenborn Leblanc-esque dark-themed Janna skin!? Dark Star Janna was a missed opportunity :(

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I appreciate all feedback,

-Janna Mechanics

135 Comments

Best Kog NA10/9/2016, 4:41:29 PM125 votes

A master tier player with the name Janna in their name. I think we should listen to his opinions on Janna tbh....

Lucifer10/9/2016, 5:57:15 PM18 votes

would be good to at least have a darker purple floor on her ultimate with more purple/magenta sparkles. Right now her ult is nearly invisible - I've had so many people just walk out of it not knowing I was ulting ._.

I don't particularly mind howling gale being a bit more noticeable - but the charge sound is SUPER loud, and maybe make the stars a different shade of purple / pink instead of doing away with them entirely.

Investa10/10/2016, 12:18:24 AM15 votes

Not to spit in the face of our Master Tier Janna god here, but these grievances seems rather minor even for what they represent. The star's providing additional visual noise to draw the eyes to the tornado as opposed to the very bland looking grey tornado, this is relying on enemies not seeing the tornado coming on their screen at all, is it not? People usually get hit by it from surprise with little time to react or their movement betrays them (at least in lowly silver) and by tunnel visioning; and here I can see this being a problem with redirecting their attention to the oncoming skill-shot but, I don't think any skill-shot has the responsibility of being stealthy.

As for the healing circle, the variance of color intensity is visible but I don't see this as large enough a disparity to cause people to just visually be unable to see it and walkout of it, especially with other cues telling a person she is ulting. Forecast for example makes a very exaggerated noise when ulting that you'd have to have your sound off completely to not hear, and her movement is very erratic as well.

I mean I don't know, I'm just a pleb that needs to get good, but I just don't want this to be a case of selective bias. No offense is intended, it can literally be something extraneous that you notice from playing so much Janna that is inconsequential for the very fact that nobody else notices it because they have less experience; and when the issue is how noticeable these spells are, I think the ignorance speaks for itself.

AGAIN THOUGH, just a scrub and I might be applying psychology completely needlessly here.

Who knows? [slayer-jinx-catface]

Miudmon10/9/2016, 7:54:10 PM11 votes

To be fair, it is a bit too difficult at times to see her classic skin's tornado - if anything, THAT is the one that needs a bit more visual noise, not the other around.

Baron of Bread10/9/2016, 8:00:54 PM8 votes

It seems to me that they should increase the visuals on the SG ult and then give all the other skins (minus forecast) more visible/audible effects on their Q. Skills shouldn't be difficult to notice (did somebody say clarity?), especially something as impactful as Janna's tornado. If she needs buffs after that then give her buffs, but she should not be balanced around a skill being hard to see/notice.

invisiblecat110/9/2016, 5:33:16 PM7 votes

I love forecast, but is pretty pay to lose

Foucz10/9/2016, 11:21:21 PM5 votes

I dont care. I want to keep my pretty particles.

Alistair3410/10/2016, 10:36:57 AM4 votes

That's exactly the reason why I never use Star Guardian Lux Lux in Midlane. With that skin her ultimate's beam becomes that gigantic, purple atrocity which just screams "You better use any escape ability/item now or you're gone". In her classic skin the red laser indicating that her ultimate is about to follow is WAAAY narrower.

Right now her ultimate starts like this: http://fs5.directupload.net/images/161010/hijq8fju.png

when it should actually start like this: http://fs5.directupload.net/images/161010/923g8vw7.png

Sayori Is Waifu10/10/2016, 1:37:32 AM3 votes

Should have gotten Soraka*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

WorthlessSupport10/10/2016, 4:45:34 AM3 votes

I kind of agree here.

I am only a dia Janna main, but I rarely use Forecast Janna because the effects are so noisy and I also highly dislike the skin in general.

As for SG Janna is think she looks fine, but the Q being really loud and the ult barely noticable is annoying.

I just wish they would give us a Janna chroma with a red and a black version. Red Janna is all I want for sooo long now.

YouCantClickThis10/10/2016, 2:46:15 AM2 votes

I don't get it. Your whole argument is using a preconceived notion that Riot intended for those abilities to be quiet, and go almost unnoticed. Even though her two most recent skins do the exact opposite, so what do you think Riot's direction is? Janna is already a top tier support. The strength of the tornado is not the fact that you cant hear it being casted, but the ambiguity of the direction it will be casted in. A forming of a tornado shouldn't be discreet.

Edit: Re-read the post. I agree that her ultimate ability should have a clarity fix.

61939590DEL110/9/2016, 11:34:34 PM2 votes

Janna Mechanics since you main her "YOU must learn to adapt" it's the adult way of life, Riot may tweak champions but you must have some patience.

PC Trash Go Away10/9/2016, 7:50:04 PM2 votes

If you pay money for virtual cosmetics, you've already lost something for nothing.

A Liberal10/9/2016, 11:06:38 PM1 votes

Pretty sure this is only applicable in higher elos, probably not even in platinum, more like high diamond +