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So yeah lets talk about what Archetypes are still missing in the game.

GreenLore··4 votes·3,464 views

In the old forums I had a thread under my NA-account about the archetypes(or thematical niches) of the characters in the game(back then it was in the champ-creation-forum,but with the change to boards I feel it actually fits more into the art-section). Because from what we've heard riot is trying to let every champ fill some sort of fantasy that no other champ fills(very often even mutliple at once),for example this year we've got Vel'koz who is a beholder,Braum who is a strongman/farmer/shieldguard,Gnar who is a caveman/hulk-out-guy,Azir who is an emporer/sand-mage/Ra-expy and Sion became an undead Juggernaut.

Of course when discussing this,we should keep in mind that a unique archetype isn't everything that makes a champ,a personality and a kit also belong to that,but this is not the thread to discuss those,this threads exists to discuss existing archetypes,new ideas for archetypes and what you would like to see the most! Note that simply making a yordle-version of an already existing arche-type is not enough and yeah this list is going to be long^^

Magical/Elemental: -a master of the 4 elements(maybe an udyr-like champ without ult) -a water elemental(sure nami is already a water user,but her core theme is being a mermaid) -someone who uses light and dark magic -likewise someone who uses fire and ice -vodoo champ/witchdoctor -magical artist -puppeteer -mirror mage -woman who controls her hair(could also be a futakuchi onna,having actual living hair) -Barrier magic -champ with swamp powers(either a swamp monster or a swamp mage) -a priest(well karthus could arguably be seen as one already) -a miko(priest might also be represented through miko) -Imitator/doppelgänger -champ with smoke/mist powers -gold based champ -portal based champ(could also be a technological champ) -an actual summoner?(as in someone who uses summons to fight and yes it'd be kind of ironic) -Druid -gravity champ(dunno if that would be too similar to syndra) -psychic(similar to the gravity champ this might be similar to syndra)

technological/science: -jetpack user -high-tech-armor user -motorcycle champ -yordle tank(i am talking about the vehicle tank) -Robot master -doctor/medic(as in someone who uses his biological knowledge in combat,unlike mundo) -A grenadier(think of a rather modern soldier,unsure if you could count tristana as one) -cowboy

physical: -Miner(probably a yordle who looks a bit like a mole) -Cavalerist -beast master -Blacksmith(poppy has shades of this,but she isn't one and it is in no way part of her skillset) -Thief(C from caitlyns lore would obviously be a candidate) -bandit(not sure if bandit AND thief would be needed) -god father/crime boss(not sure how you'd make a skillset for one,but the concept itself could be very interesting) -Chef -an old master(probably kung fu fighter?) -Admiral -a Wrestler(or someone who uses wrestling moves in general) -an amazon(as in really muscular woman) -aztec champ(could also be magical) -a really noble woman,like some sort of countess or princess(we have j4 as a prince already) -a gladiator -a Weaver(would probably do some magic stuff with weaving,like some kind of weaver of fate,but I list it here,because it doesn't have to be magical) ** antropomorphic animals:** -Chameleon(I think chameleons are the most outstanding lizards,which would help to seperate such a champ from renekton) -frog(also rather outstanding animals who are in no way represented already) -salamander(dunno if that would work) -dinosaur(maybe someone who manages to combine several types of dinosaur into one?This one could also easily fall into the monster category)

non-humanoid champs: -cerberus(we got infernal nasus though) -pack hunter -chesire cat -hydra(there was one once in development,but seems to have been cancelled for now) -sphinx -hive mind/brood mother(not sure if elise doesn't fill this role already) -griffon(unsure if it would work on its own) -chimera(not sure if this couldn't be too monstrous) -sea serpent -centipede champ(maybe with splitting powers?) -Manticore(would probably exclude chimera and Sphinx due to the similarities)

undead: -Banshee -Death knight(sion or Mordekaiser could be seen as one though,a headless knight would be cool too) -vampire -davy jones like character(not sure if he/she would be actually undead or just transformed) -skeletal beast(since only human skeletons are a no-go in china) -a zombie(formerly I would have said Sion could be seen as one,but he is now more of an undead juggernaut instead of a classical zombie) -Yuki onna

other fantasy beings: -harpy -djinn -oni -imp -asura(a multi-armed champ would be cool in general and no viktor doesn't count) -succubus(evelynn is getting a thematic overhaul,maybe she'll become a succubus) -Cyclops -posessed object(like a ghost sword) -a person who is posessed by some creature(important would be that both the person and the creature are part of the champ,otherwise it'd be too similar to the corruption of Varus) -Mothman -Tengu -a champ who consist of a swarm of several creatures.

other -a twin champ(or some kind of team?) -An antique living Weapon(could be magical or/and technological,so I dunno where to put it) -A champ based around speed,maybe some kind of racer or courier

46 Comments

Sharjo4 votes

To touch on the idea of a voodoo champion, I definetly think it's a space that could be explored really heavily. The issue being that I feel like to do a voodoo champion justice, they'd have to go FULL HAM on it.

When people think of voodoo, they think of "I hear da spirits!" and that jazz right? But these spirits, which in Haitian Voodoo are called Loa, all have distinct roles and personalities, and they exist in EVERYTHING. There's loa for big universal concepts like the oceans, the earth and animals, and there's loa for individual streams, mountains, trribes, even trees. Trees have their own individual loa associated with them. One core principle in both kinds of Voodoo, west african and haitain, is that everything is created by divine powers. Their is one major god who made everything, and the loa exist as a medium between humans and that god. This divine creation is also why there's an association with mummified creatures and dead stuff, because all things carry divine properties, and as such these tribal medicine and charms would also carry it. What better way to cure the flu than through divine healing right?

This is a concept I'd like to see, because I feel like a Voodoo champion could have ties to a whole bunch of other stuff in League:

Anivia Anivia: Spirit of the Freljord. In voodoo context, a super powerful and important spirit who this voodoo champion would see and likely revere.

Azir Azir: An entity who commands the sands and has ascended thanks to the power of the sun. That's double spiritual influence for our voodoo champion to be interested in!

Brand Brand: Primal fire elemental of doomy doom. What kind of horrific dark omen would seeing brand be for a voodoo champion? A pretty sodding big one!

Diana Diana: I'd imagine the moon would have an associated spirit. Perhaps there's a lot these two could learn from each other.

Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks: So what is Fiddle a harbinger of? Doom? Well what kind of doom? Perhaps some spiritual voodoo insight could clear it up!

Janna Janna: Being a wind mage with a wind elemental companion would probably draw the interest of someone who likes the spirits, wouldn't you say?

Leona Leona: As said with Azir, SUN!!! Also a pretty cool relationship here, perhaps through the power of voodoo and knowing the nature of the spirits of the sun and the moon, can this champion help bridge the divide between Lunari and Solari, between dawn and dusk, between Leona and Diana?

Malphite Malphite: He's literally a living mountain. While his lore hasn't been updated yet, such a massive, living being of earth would definetly draw the attention of anyone who partakes in voodoo.

Maokai Maokai: Since Maokai's now a spirit trapped in a twisted tree (I assume that's what he is at any rate), a voodoo champion would have a vested interest in helping him out, since spirits are of a divine nature. In contrast...

Elise Evelynn Hecarim Karthus Mordekaiser Thresh Yorick : ALL of these guys would be on their shit list. Abominations that pervert the sanctity of the divine, that would get someone's blood boiling I'm sure.

Nami Nami: a child of the ocean and whatever spirit is associated with it, they could perhaps have some kind of kinship. Perhaps through the knowledge of spirits, this voodoo champion knows more about the threat to Nami's people, and could help her out just a bit.

Nautilus Nautilus: On the flip side, Nautilus would probably be a terrifying sight for this voodoo champion. The dark, forboding and evil power that has twisted Nautilus could have horrifying origins that this voodoo fellow knows about, and would rather not delve in it.

Nocturne Nocturne: Maybe a stretch but since we don't really know what Nocturne is, maybe someone with knowledge of the spirits could provide an answer?

I've run out of room apparently so think about this: Udyr, Volibear and Zyra as well! VOODOO!!!

Tyvani1 votes

I've never known much about Voodoo before so it's really cool to see it laid out like this. I see why you'd love to have a Voodoo champion. :)

Sharjo2 votes

The thing is, I didn't, until I thought about it for a bit, and then started digging in to the concepts behind Voodoo/Vodun. I didn't even know there were different kinds of Voodoo!

Ultîma2 votes

A gravity-mage is something that would both be unique and offer some really cool skill opportunities in-game. The league-roster is already saturated with elemental-mages so something a bit more mystical like Zilean and his time powers would be neat to see in-game.

That being said, if there's anything League needs desperately it's characters of a less-than-human nature. A Hydra, Worm or Wisp champion would do add a nice touch to the roster!

Junkο2 votes

I would kill for a gravity based champion

GreenLore1 votes

Hmm not sure if Syndra doesn't already count as a gravity champ,but yeah she seems more levitation-based,so I think gravity is still a possibility,will add it to the list

cshakes1 votes

A gravity-mage would probably come off more as a support, since the only things I can come up with are displacement abilities :P

Kit ideas: various pulls (think Diana's Moonfall, maybe a sort of Dota2 Force Staff -like skill?), slows and speed buffs.

Junkο2 votes

I would kill for a gravity champion

Zarxis2 votes

We need a necromancer. Hopefully, the Yorick rework (that we'll never get, at this rate) will provide one.

Stars Shaper1 votes

While not really a necro, Azir is based on minions that are memories of dead soldiers.

doubleguac1 votes

I'd love to see a witchcraft themed champion in the game--a caster focused on hexes and curses. Could be a cool support. I feel like Riot has intentionally avoided a champion centered around debuffs, probably because s/he could easily be very frustrating to play against. But I'm sure Riot could come up with a cool, interactive kit if they put their minds to it.

As for thematics/visuals, I'd love to see more monsters, but there are a ton of really basic archetypes that Riot hasn't explored in the human cast. League's humans are pretty homogeneous in certain ways. There is very little diversity in age (aside from Zilean and Annie, pretty much every human champion in the game looks like they are somewhere in their 20s or 30s). There is also hardly any diversity in body types among the women. Shyvana and Sej are barely any bulkier or more noticeably muscular than Lux. I don't think Riot needs to make a female gragas, but a little more variety would be nice.

GenoXx1 votes

I woulsnt have thought you knew about Yuki-ona, but she falls under the ghost category, The yuki-onna is a snow ghost. Also, you could have th e Kuchi-onna for ghost(although shes not a likely candidate.) ...eh, a lot of these. I could hardly think of some atm, but theres also Psychic- fighter(could possibly be a kid like Ness from Earthbound-theres annie) ......lol idk, pretty much a lot of them are listed.

GreenLore1 votes

you are right about the yuki-onna,but they could make one for the game who is not undead(will add her to the undead-category either way) Didn't add kuchi-onna because I think she is not iconic enough,if they'd made a kuchi-onna,she'd be seen as "undead girl with weird mouth" by most players.

Psychic is something I also considered,but I fear that it would overlap too much with syndra(although the power of the mind could be different enough)

And yeah my original thread on the forums went for quite some time so I amassed a lot of ideas(had also sub-niches in the original thread who would describe stuff that could be added to characters,but aren't enough on their own for a character)

Terra Booma1 votes

Well I don't think there's an earth mage yet

We got Liss for Ice Brand/Annie for Fire And Debatably Nami for water.

And I'm not about to count Malphite as an earth mage. He uses himself more then the earth.

GreenLore1 votes

Thing is there is that Malphite is pretty much THE earth champ.

So I'd say an earth mage is not really necessary. That does not mean there will be never any earth champ again,I mean Yasuo &Janna can co-exist just fine and so can Annie &Brand,they can add an earth mage as long as he does have another archetype(like yasuo who is a samurai/ronin/wanderer and annie who is a creepy child with a monster)

Merxamers1 votes

i've been thinking that it would be cool to see a swashbuckler type, like an Errol Flynn/Zorro guy. Not just a mail version of Fiora; think brash, adventurous, larger than life, Dread Pirate Roberts kinda-guy. Could even be a new Bilgewater champion!

Zarxis1 votes

I like Azir, but his "minions" are simply enablers for the rest of his kit, not true pets/summonables. Memories of dead soldiers seems to be closer to illusion than necromancy; I want resurrected/undead entities fighting for me. Yorick's ghouls work for this purpose, but I don't like how they're so easy to kill and avoid. Not to mention how old/ugly Yorick looks and how boring his actual playstyle is. The most exciting thing in his kit is probably his Q's autoattack reset... I hope Riot doesn't rename his skills, though.

GreenLore2 votes

yeah I'd say yorick is our Necromancer. He may not be up to date and in dire need of a rework,but he is still raising the dead. Hopefully he gets an update soon,because I also really like the concept of a necromancer.

Destínum1 votes

Graves is a cowboy though.

GreenLore1 votes

but he doesn't have a hat or a revolver D:

Destínum1 votes

Well, he's got a shotgun. :S I know it's not the same thing, but that's how Riot did their cowboy, and I'm honestly glad they where a bit more original with it.

2nd Fiddle1 votes

Zeppelins, we need Zeppelins.

Esper Phantom 01 votes

Does Taric count as an earth mage, a light mage or some kind of in-between . It says "It is the magic of the earth, drawing power from the resonance of crystals and gems" in his lore. and 3/5 of his skill are earth based, but his main offensive skill work off the light and energy refracted through his gem.

Also couldn't Kayle be considered as a priest, since due to being a user of holy/divine magics.

GreenLore1 votes

Taric is more about gems than earth in general(similar Azir is all about Sand),he is generally seen as a paladin.

Kayle wouldn't be considered a priest because there is still a clear distinction between guy who worships something and an angel who brings down judgement. they both might use some sort of holy-elemental abilities,but that doesn't mean they are the same(we have champs who use the same elements all over the place,like Lux and Lucian,or Annie&Brand) However I think I might remove priest from the list,since Karthus is basically a priest of the dead.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

We don't have a "royalty" archetype. I mean, we do have royalty, but none really have kits based around it. There is Azir of course, but he gets too close the action imo and to me is more of a sand general mage bird. But I guess he does count.

GreenLore1 votes

yeah we've got already Azir and Jarvan IV,thats why I didn't include anything like prince,king or whatever into the list.

However I think some sort of female royalty would still have a place in the game,like a countess or something like that(thinking of the cancelled priscilla the spider queen,just without the spider part) http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028153800/leagueoflegends/images/7/7f/Spiderqueen.jpg

Destínum1 votes

Well, we do have Elise as the spider queen, although she's not really true royalty. If you go only by faction leaders, Karma could count (although again, not royal but at least a duchess).

NeoJusteBelmont1 votes

Riot, do we already have a Chinese Girl kind of character? The Chinese-themed characters so far seems to be guys only... LeeSin MonkeyKing XinZhao

GreenLore1 votes

Overall I would love it if we'd get a chinese girl(with the chinese dress and so on),but I don't think it is unique enough to be a concept on its own.

LightBae1 votes

Broomstick rider, actual fan user with wind powers or something (PLEASE JANNA! TRAIN ANOTHER since karma somehow forgot how to use fans).

GreenLore1 votes

In my old thread I did add some weapon types that are still not present among the champs,but a unique weapon isn't enough to make a champ unique on his own(unless the weapon is THAT unique,like Jayces hammer),because then that would basically restrict them from adding another user of the same weapon ever again.

LightBae1 votes

In my old thread I did add some weapon types that are still not present among the champs,but a unique weapon isn't enough to make a champ unique on his own(unless the weapon is THAT unique,like Jayces hammer),because then that would basically restrict them from adding another user of the same weapon ever again.

I highly disagree with this. Broomsticks and fans are very different from "sword user," for example. These particular weapons carry a whole suite of definitive tropes along with them that are rich enough for riot to exploit. I say this doubly in the case of fan users because the removal of Karma's fans had a lot to do with the Riot's conception that their (the fans') thematic meaning did not align with their vision for Karma. This sort of proves that there is enough concept material in a weapon to be definitive of a character.

GreenLore1 votes

you are right fan users are different from sword users,but so are lance users,staff users,etc. and they are not enough as their own archetype too. I mean they could have made a single champ for every weapon and basically called it a day,because then these champs would have been unique solely based on the fact that they use a weapon that no one else uses,because every weapon comes with its own bunch of tropes.

Also what would fans really do? Wind magic gets mainly covered thanks to Janna and we also have Yasuo and simply bladed fans wouldn't be more than a unique-looking autoattack.

Don't get me wrong here though. I think fans can add to a character,but not define them.

LightBae1 votes

you are right fan users are different from sword users,but so are lance users,staff users,etc. and they are not enough as their own archetype too. I mean they could have made a single champ for every weapon and basically called it a day,because then these champs would have been unique solely based on the fact that they use a weapon that no one else uses,because every weapon comes with its own bunch of tropes.

Also what would fans really do? Wind magic gets mainly covered thanks to Janna and we also have Yasuo and simply bladed fans wouldn't be more than a unique-looking autoattack.

Don't get me wrong here though. I think fans can add to a character,but not define them.

The fact that fans are different isn't the only point. It's how different they are that matters. Part of why staves and lances aren't part of this category (in my opinion) is that they aren't nearly as distinct or separate from the traditional Western sword and sorcery lineup of weapons. Fans are actually pretty distinct from that tradition, and are different enough (in my opinion) to define a character within this context.

tl;dr because fans are less mainstream than all the weapons you have listed in your response to my post, the degree to which having a fan in this context defines a character is greater. It's the same reason having a character in a Japanese fighting game wear chinese-themed clothing is actually definitive. It's not because Chinese garb is so unique on it's own (china is extremely well known and populated, and the visual design conventions associated with this type of clothing are easy identify for most people). Instead, the Chinese themes are unique and distinctive in a non-Chinese context.

GreenLore2 votes

But what kind of abilities could the fan user provide that aren't already in the game anyway? Like I said,making the fan-user an all-wind champ is a no-go,since that is already jannas job. But a bladed fan would be just another melee weapon.

Overall I think a weapon like this isn't enough to define a character,I mean look at Thresh who has a kusari-gama(with the lantern as the weight)one of the most unique and exotic weapons,but he isn't identified by having this kind of weapon,its his identity as a jailer/reaper that is core to his character.

Overall there are almost no champs who get identified solely by their weapon,the exceptions would probably be Jayce with his transformer-hammer and Irelia with her levitating blades. Notable mentions go to Riven ,Braum &Jax ,but they also have aspects aside from their weapons.

Making this kind of weapon not the only thing unique about the character also offers the benefit that they could reuse the weapon for another champ too.

LightBae1 votes

But what kind of abilities could the fan user provide that aren't already in the game anyway? Like I said,making the fan-user an all-wind champ is a no-go,since that is already jannas job. But a bladed fan would be just another melee weapon.

Overall I think a weapon like this isn't enough to define a character,I mean look at Thresh who has a kusari-gama(with the lantern as the weight)one of the most unique and exotic weapons,but he isn't identified by having this kind of weapon,its his identity as a jailer/reaper that is core to his character.

Overall there are almost no champs who get identified solely by their weapon,the exceptions would probably be Jayce with his transformer-hammer and Irelia with her levitating blades. Notable mentions go to Riven ,Braum &Jax ,but they also have aspects aside from their weapons.

Making this kind of weapon not the only thing unique about the character also offers the benefit that they could reuse the weapon for another champ too.

Brand, Annie, and that Volcanic Xerath skin are all fire themed but play differently. Fizz, Nami, and Atlanean Syndra. Miss fortune and lucian, etc.

Janna's use of wind-magic doesn't exclude or limit further champion development at all. In fact, there's some great lore potential for an apprentice or second wind-mage using fans. Also, there is nothing to say that fans are limited to wind magic. Dragon's nest has a fan-wielding class that is more akin to a shaman/ summoner. It's all about what context is built around the champion.

Moreover, I'm not sure why the questions you ask actually prevent you from just adding "fan user" to the list. It's not that hard to simply acknowledge that players would want to see fans in-game, and allow riot to be inspired and (hopefully) do their job. I'm more than confident that they don't need to have us decide every detail of what we would like in a champ.

TL;DR, If I say that I want to see fans in-game/ a fan user, that is more than enough information for Riot. It's not really worth debating about where that information would "live" on the nebulous spectrum of possibly inspiring requests. It's just a request, and holds more than enough weight in that regard.

GreenLore1 votes

I wouldn't really take skins into account,I mean pirate Ryze and Gangplank can coexist just like that.

also even though there are multiple guys who use the same element,they do have different core-themes. Brand is basically THE fire champ,he is all about fire and nothing else.Now we do have annie,but she isn't another champ who is all about fire,she is all about being a creepy girl with magical powers(fire is simply very fitting for that). Same goes basically for Janna and Yasuo,with Janna being focused solely on the wind-magic,while Yasuo is mainly a ronin,who uses wind powers.

Likewise Miss fortune isn't unique because she uses guns,she gets her core theme from being a bounty hunter/pirate girl(even though she isn't a pirate,she does look like one).The guns aren't the defining thing about her,but her character is.

And thats basically what I am saying about the fans.They aren't enough on their own to make a character,they need to be coupled with something else for a character archetype. Like your example of making a summoner with fans,then the core theme of the character would be summoner,with the fans being more of an added bonus. I want to talk mainly about archetypes that can stand on their own(they don't have to though)

LightBae1 votes

I wouldn't really take skins into account,I mean pirate Ryze and Gangplank can coexist just like that.

also even though there are multiple guys who use the same element,they do have different core-themes. Brand is basically THE fire champ,he is all about fire and nothing else.Now we do have annie,but she isn't another champ who is all about fire,she is all about being a creepy girl with magical powers(fire is simply very fitting for that). Same goes basically for Janna and Yasuo,with Janna being focused solely on the wind-magic,while Yasuo is mainly a ronin,who uses wind powers.

Likewise Miss fortune isn't unique because she uses guns,she gets her core theme from being a bounty hunter/pirate girl(even though she isn't a pirate,she does look like one).The guns aren't the defining thing about her,but her character is.

And thats basically what I am saying about the fans.They aren't enough on their own to make a character,they need to be coupled with something else for a character archetype. Like your example of making a summoner with fans,then the core theme of the character would be summoner,with the fans being more of an added bonus. I want to talk mainly about archetypes that can stand on their own(they don't have to though)

I still think you're overemphasizing something that doesn't really matter or fully apply to this example but, whatevs. Let's play that game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessenjutsu fan user Magical Tessenjutsu user done.

/debate

BTW: I'm not upset at you or anything. I just disagree with you.

edit for lulz:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbKACMo71-k

GreenLore1 votes

thing is,that even with tessenjutsu,what would be the skills of the champs?Nowadays riot tries to make the new characters more varied,but a fan doesn't add much more options than a sword would be able to,especially not in a game like LoL. It would basically be "attack with the fans,block with them,(maybe throw them?) and maybe a magical gust,done!"

And don't worry I am happy to discuss with someone^^

Terra Booma1 votes

There's a distinct lack of a thief if you think about it.

assassins? Sure

Pirates? sure

Cheatersatcardgames? Sure

But no street rat thief based kit.

(Talon doesn't really count)

GreenLore1 votes

yeah the lack of thief is one of the reasons I started to think about what is still missing.

I think if we'd get a thief it'd be C from Caitlyns Lore,I hope he/she gets released one day.

notrocketdrive1 votes

A real fucking villain/antagonist that doesn't follow the disney formula of "bad because bad"

GreenLore1 votes

Could you go a bit more into detail here?

notrocketdrive1 votes

Look at Xerath. Pre-Shurima he had a clear objective, a clear personality, and was clearly in the gray. He didn't intentionally kill people, but he got people killed. He wanted far more power than perhaps any man should ever have, but he did not want it for any malevolent reason. Back then you could make the case Xerath had good intentions but wrong actions, which is perfectly reasonable to paint him as a bad character for that, but at least Xerath himself doesn't THINK that he is evil NOR does Xerath TRY to be evil.

Now Post Shurima we have a reskinned variant of veigar with a new background. Why is he evil?

RIOT:because he is evil! ME: But...that doesn't explain why he is evil.... RIOT: he is evil because he is evil because evil is evil so he must be evil.

seems like a fuckton of non-sense to me, as well as half assed storytelling and "disney-fying" characters, or in other words making them more compatible with the mind of a fucking 4 year old. We already have Veigar as a simple villain, there is no reason to clone the mind of veigar into every other Villainous seeming character.

GreenLore1 votes

uhm didn't you read his Lore that was released on the forums?

GreenLore1 votes

So yeah bumping this since we've got Kalista and soon RekSai now. Kalista is what I'd call a vengeful spirit(or ghost in general),as well as a supernatural avatar(with shades of things like bloody mary),I never listed something like that in my list,made only a small mention about it for banshee(I'd say banshee is still different enough from kalista,especially if they go for a more corporal version)

Rek'sai is basically tunneler monster,I think I remove sand worm from the list,because even though rek'sai is no worm,she has enough similarities to sandworms

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