With Urgot and Eve's VGU nudging ever closer, when can we expect the next reworks to be announced?

Malicious Metal··41 votes·3,048 views

Let's be honest here, VGU's have become the thing I look forward the most, especially since most of the recent ones have become champions I thoroughly enjoy playing. Not to mention all the cool Lore and art we get from VGU's.^ ^

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Akenero13 votes

Possibly the Morgana and Kayle dual updates, since these current vgu's seem to land relatively close to each other.

Votable Jester5 votes

I'm scared but excited. I used to be a Morgana mid main (it works), and really every part of her kit felt so core to her.

Hopefully it'll be interesting rather than terrifying to see what they do with her.

An Undead brat4 votes

"It works"?! She's a great and underestimated midlaner with no counter, but not broken or toxic at all - she's super well designed. And that's btw the reason Rioters said they won't change her kit almost at all and hers will be mostly visual and lore update.

rtbf2256182414 votes

Ok no counter is an exaggeration. Most AD assassins are pretty strong vs her.

An Undead brat2 votes

But due to her synergy with the active she can start with Zhonya without losing that much unlike other mages...

Votable Jester4 votes

Plus she can push pretty easily and combo well with nearly any jungler.

rtbf2256182411 votes

I'm not just talking about Zed you know.

Faceroll Tactics3 votes

Zhonyas is effective against Fizz ult, katarina ult, can fade a mark on lb, can ignore damage from nocturne ult, can fade an akali mark, rengar jump crit, plus it gives armor which reduces damage for all ad assassins.

rtbf2256182412 votes

And it's not always used at the best time like panic zhonya.

Also, it's a pretty expensive item that you don't build first. You'd have to be ahead to get it quickly with Morgana.

An Undead brat4 votes

First argument means you suck and deserve to die.

Yes - on every other mage, but Morg can just use her ult, Zhonya and either they disengage and you're fine, or you chain-CC them and kill them.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Because everyone will get hit with Chain Q and R and do nothing. You're assuming because Morgana's kit is so simple, so is the opponent. What if they'll kill you before the R procs a 2nd time?

An Undead brat1 votes

Hello? How do you think they kill you through stasis?

Amd when you chain R -> Q, yes, they are, because they are stunned!

rtbf2256182411 votes

You think ult - Zhonya will do anything? Assassins are mobile, they'll move out of the ring and lunge at you again. You're also assuming they are already in R range when they get hit with Q. I understand some people are but not everyone is that dumb.

You're basically telling me Morgana has no counterplay except that she very well has. Not to mention there is such a thing as QSS which is much cheaper than Zhonya's.

An Undead brat1 votes

Name one assassin that can jump on her, jump away from her ult and reengage on her again while killing her and not being 5/0 nor in late game.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Why would they need to jump away? You're completely disregarding opposing itemization and how the opponent may be able to interact with minions or how far they are from you when you zhonya. If you are far enough, they'll move out-move back in. If you are right next to them and try to hold on to the Zhonya in an attempt to have them just try and escape you, they may try to kill you instead, rooting them but the root expiring when you exit the Zhonya. Not to mention they may just cc you somehow, like a Zed E and run out with Ghostblade.

Way to turn things black & white.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

They'll change her Passive. Riot has been slowly removing Spellvamp from the game, and to be honest it's a pretty garbage passive. I'm also expecting pretty decent changes to her ultimate. Too much mobility-creep is making the spell redundant.

I'm seeing it as a Tristana style VGU.

TheDelighted1 votes

The only thing that I don't "like" is her w. With that I mean that it can get so much more interesting than a puddle of damaging vomit.

reaperteaser1 votes

i feel like rakan/xayah was a test drive for the interactions intended for the kayle/morg update

Ralanr9 votes

If not Mordekaiser, then it's going to be either Pantheon, Irelia, or Akali, then Swain.

sirwaterfles1 votes

Not swain he is fine now and is probably the only champ the mymu did fix and can only needs a lore update in my opinion. Definitly if there are still champs like these around :Aatrox Akali Azir Heimerdinger Irelia Kalista Malzahar Mordekaiser RekSai Ryze Shaco Skarner Tryndamere XinZhao

LostFr0st1 votes

^ This. He's also locked from getting any skins until that happens who knows when.

sirwaterfles1 votes

aah makes me sad ;(

the weeaboo8 votes

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REWORK TRYNDAMERE

LostFr0st5 votes

If it wasn't for Swain I'd vote Mordekaiser , but from history's trend it'll probably be neither. :(

They seem to be hopping from faction to faction and they have a Noxian Urgot and a shadow Isles champ Evelynn in production right now.

The real question is whether they're comfortable doing two champs from the same faction after one another. With what's left it may become difficult to keep alternating the moods between champs. There's some pretty angry ones left.

Ionia: Akali Shen Irelia Void: Chogath Shurima: Rammus Skarner Noxus: Mordekaiser Swain Freljord: Nunu Tryndamere Volibear Olaf ???/wandering: Kayle Morgana Ryze Ryze Ryze Ryze Zaun: DrMundo Piltover: Heimerdinger ? Demacia: Sona ?

^probably missing a few; left the divers mostly out XinZhao Jax since we don't know what'll happen in the fall class update if they chose divers..

Xodiathe4bdn13 votes

Actually you are correct They've said that between updating new factions there will be other champions reworked so the next to faction high priorities are Nunu and Irelia Champions that may be released between or before after them is Swain or Mordekaiser orPantheon

LostFr0st1 votes

see, idk about Nunu being there due to the recent passive changes. They seem to have tried really hard on that as a solid bandaid until his turn (depending on how the Nunu players feel but I see no posts yet anywhere). I'd swap that with Volibear cause I still want to go to the Freljord. It would also give an excuse to update Zilean 's lore if they keep the link.

Another option could be Tryndamere , but maybe they'd wait to see the way he interacts with the forecasted changes to crit mid season? I think Ryze has had enough turns for now.

Same could be said about waiting to see Voli with the tank items though.

They do seem overly hype about getting a chance to work on Irelia though, you're definitely right about that.

Ahristocats4 votes

Mordekaiser and skarner will be next, i'm sure of it

there are so many champions that needs a VGU but we get 4 vgu per years it's really sad tbh

and ryze being among them is even worse

-gH

LostFr0st1 votes

Probably not Skarner, he's functional right now with a solid niche and doesn't need a visual overhaul to just fit in with the roster. Yes I want the rocks gone too but I wouldn't exactly put him as priority the same way Mordekaiser Pantheon Volibear etc. are. Need to target the pizza feet and malfunctioning kits first imo.

Faceroll Tactics2 votes

Malfunctioning kits? Olaf should definitely be on the list then

LostFr0st1 votes

The more the merrier. I don't see why not.

Faceroll Tactics1 votes

Yep. His passive rewards being low health but his w gives him lifesteal. It's quite contradictory

LostFr0st1 votes

oo, that's not the bit I find malfunctioning^^" I don't think the w synergy with his passive is wrong at all for his character since he's supposed to fight to the bitter end of things.

It's more the permaslow from good Olaf Qs combined with his ulti making it so he's completely uncounterable when ahead. It's the pre-rework Poppy problem.

OverpoweredSoap4 votes

Nunu for the love of god please.

His model is ugh, his kit is a balance nightmare and whenever I get him in ARAM the VO destroys my ears.

Pantheon, Irelia (though to be fair she could get away with just a VU, but I think a lot of people would prefer VGU),Mundo, Swain and Cho'Gath are also good candidates.

Mordekaiser kind of needs one too, but they kind of reworked him recently(ish) so I don't know if they want to touch him again.

Unless he becomes the next Ryze.

Autrah Fang5 votes

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Irelia (though to be fair she could get away with just a VU, but I think a lot of people would prefer VGU)

even Riot would prefer VGU in Irelia's case. they have stated multiple times that they are not satisfied with her kit whatsoever

Arsenic Sulfur1 votes

Especially since her kit contains everything a melee character could possibly want some things they didn't even know they wanted!

DwarvenGiant3 votes

Well, they/Reav3 said that the two teams are already exploring the next couple of champions to get a VGU.

I think it'd be Nunu and Mordekaiser or Pantheon. They all seem like the strongest candidates to me- With Nunu being the most outdated (IMO) and both Mordekaiser and Pantheon are sort of like Warwick's case, with them having a ton of untapped potential in their ideal archetype (Death Knight and God of War) and being fairly outdated (while also being a bit of a design/gameplay mess).

-_-

Personally? I really want it to be Nunu and Mundo first (Sorry MM :P), though, honestly. I've been craving for a Nunu VU (and now a VGU) since about 2013 and I feel like Mundo has a ton of potential and could be super cool with all new and modern art, design and VO that would match his new bio and story (which I really enjoyed).

But again, I wouldn't be opposed to a Mordekaiser VGU instead of the Madman of Zaun.

Garentheon4 votes

I was thinking Nunu but then he just recently got some passive changes on pbe. They wouldn't do that if they were already going to work on him next

Forbidden Siren3 votes

I'm hoping for Mordekaiser next. He really need some loving.

And then a joint rework of Kayle and Morgana.

Garentheon3 votes

Exactly! VGU news is the best news. I wish they could get a third team on it :(

My money is onSwain and Mordekaiser being next

EDIT: But I hope/wish for Pantheon

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

looks at Ryze

Yeah.

what you deserve2 votes

Lowkey I want them to pick Teemo and Shaco Both of them are extremely frustrating to play against and both their kits are kind of.. toxic in general

RG Velean1 votes

Is that a pun good sir?

Tseison2 votes

I would rather have VGU and reworks to older champions than have new champions (or atleast release a new champion every few months)...

Forhonor3212 votes

If I really had to guess, I'd say somewhat between Mordekaiser Tryndamere Irelia & Pantheon (maybe even the Morgana Kayle duo rework)

Bladerunner77772 votes

"When can the boards get more reworks to complain about?"

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

Nunu PLEASE RIOT REWORK THIS LITTLE TURD ALREADY

But tbh I see Nunu Mordekaiser and Pantheon happening next year. The first two specifically. Their kits are just painful.

Mordepool1 votes

My money is on Swain and Mundo

Malicious Metal2 votes

Why am I not surprised you don't have any hopes for Morde getting it before 2030

Mordepool2 votes

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Why am I not surprised you don't have any hopes for Morde getting it before 2030

These past 7 years have made me a pessimist. Not to say that it's been all bad

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