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Yall are seriouisly overreactring about Viktor.

GenoXx··7 votes·928 views

The guy maybe misunderstood, but so is Jhin. Does Jhin Just wants to give people beautiful deaths. Does not mean what he is doing is wrong. Killer people for his amusement it pretty much what he's doing, from a grey standpoint. Viktor may view his actions are good, and i dont even know how viktor fanboys are saying what he's done is right....such as kill more then 5 people for his "Glorious Evolution." Even IF something bad did happen in Viktor's life, that does not justify his actions....at ALL. His overall view it to turn humanity into machines. Regardless of what benefits it could bring, that goes against a very large percentage of Humanity on Runeterra. Good or bad, the answer will aways be that Viktor has selfish goals and doesn't care how it affects other people.

He even wanted to make people lose their free will with that diver suit. Can u viktor fans at least bring that to the table??? Syndra killed her master because he threaten to take her power away and sealed it against her will, he is wrong for that. And Although Syndra's murder could be justified, doesnt mean she did not commit a crime in her country.

How can anybody blindly justify Viktor's actions??? Even in the old lore, he wrecked Jayce's lab and stole the crystal unprovoked......he done nothing wrong though?? Again with jhin, he murdered many people for yrs. Yes, no one will understand Jhin but himself. We could misundestand whant he ment to do all day, he still killed alot of people, all for art. You guys must have this same view for Viktor; We don't understand him, but he is still doing wrong.

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8 Comments

Ryusaether4 votes

The point is:

Jhin was born and meant to be like this as a champion, his lore is like this and it's beautiful as it is.

Viktor's lore had completely different traits, traits that made players emphasize with the character. He was cool because he started naive, curious and human, then he got betrayed by the world he loved and tried to help, he grew feelings of revenge and anger, realized those were wrong, that they were weaknesses that wouldn't help te future, and managed to remove them, while also making a project that couldn't be stolen from him, because he himself was his project: The Glorious Evolution. He became almost the opposite of the man he was before, aphatetic, obsessed with his project and not a human anymore, spreading his word as a religion and convincing even the most skeptical scientist of its value.

This is way, way different from the "new Viktor", who since when human thought about upgrading humans into machines, including the removal of free will and other amoral things (like, from jayce's POV, cutting heads and make people into his robot pawns), a man who got expelled from his academy and who seeked revenge without suppressing his feelings like in the old lore. This makes no sense, he's just a villain from start to end, he's not even comparable to the old lore Viktor in my opionion.

I hope that explains people's concern on the new lore.

GreenLore3 votes

Honestly given how Viktor was portrayed in Jayces original lore,I think that he was indeed supposed to be an evil villain. Sure an evil villain with a sad past,but still an evil villain.

The problem is that in the old lore pieces they rarely established what kind of evil things the evil champs actually do. I mean Malzahars lore doesn't really establish,that he sacrifices stuff to the void and that he actively tries to bring the void unto runeterra,that stuff only came to light with the JoJ. Its likely that Riot just assumed that everyone would see Viktor as a villain,because of his VO and design,who both seem pretty villain-like,but then when the jayce-lore was released they realized that viktor fans did not see Viktor this way at all and thus toned down Viktors evilness in that lore-piece.

Also you should keep in mind that in the new lore viktor isn't a cyborg already,so he might realize his errors after his fight with Jayce.

Mogarl1 votes

Malzahar was tied to an alliance with the void. You don't expect anyone who is allied with Cho'Gath to be good. There is nothing family friendly about the Giant monster that goes around eating people. I get what you're saying, but there was very valid reasoning to believe that Malzahar would run around doing stuff like that. You are likely right about Riot's view on Viktor, but the Malzahar comparison isn't much better than the Jhin comparison.

I do agree with the essence of your final statement. In fact if we make the assumption that Viktor's lore will be a dark mirror of Jayce's then we know that Viktor will go through an experience that causes him to learn something contrary to his beliefs/personality. Jayce learned what it was like for everyone that wasn't as smart and handsome as him, and so Viktor will learn also learn something about his "Negative" traits. Likely in the form of consequences to his immoral actions.

But that's really just an assumption based in Narrative being predictable.

GreenLore2 votes

Well Malzahar might have been a bit too evil for a comparison(though his lore doesn't even mention that he is allied with the void,that was only made clear by his voice over).

A better example might be post-VU Karthus. When karthus got his VU,many assumed that karthus merely got people convinced to join the ranks of the undead willingly,so a lot of people talked about how Karthus wasn't really evil,since he would just give people the opportunity to become undead if they wanted to(and lets be honest here,being undead does come with its pros,as long as you aren't enslaved by thresh or mordekaiser). However when they updated the lores of the shadow isles champs last year,they also released a lore piece where it was shown that Karthus actually kills people and turns them into undeads,even if they don't want to.

This is actually quite similar to the situation with Viktor,one thinks its better for humans to become undead,the other thinks its better for them to become machines,the difference being that we know that karthus forces his belief onto others,which likely makes him evil in the eyes of most people(of course not as evil as mordekaiser,thresh or hecarim,but still evil)

Mogarl1 votes

That's actually a pretty fair comparison.

GenoXx1 votes

He did not get betrayed by the world...he got his work stolen...... Are u serious?

Mogarl3 votes

You're not wrong... I feel the gap between Viktor and Jhin may be just a little too big for what you're comparing them to, but I'll agree with your Syndra comparison. For the simple fact that no sane person is going to agree with Jhin's actions, but Syndra's are closer to justifiable without having a screw loose.

I've already made a statement in some random thread about the free will thing and why it can be morally grey, but here it is revised.

In a perfect world with Viktor's changes workers go to work, put on the suits, gain the ability to do their job with extreme efficiency and no distraction. In addition they can't make any voluntary errors, like when your 15/3/ Vayne rolls into the entire enemy team to 1v5 (doesn't that sound like a perfect world?). Once they finish work they simply take the suits off, and go home perfectly safe and sound. Imo of all the sketchy things Viktor does in Jayce's bio and story the free will thing is actually the easiest to see how it could be not evil.

it's really not hard to see how the actions in Jayce's bio aren't black and white evil. Viktor has always been a "greater good" character. If he isn't then nothing is going to bring conflict to him unless he's completely evil, or confronted by some cheesy villain that's there to stop someone from peacefully upgrading volunteers. Neither of which I'm too keen on being the reality.

Placentas1 votes

I just don't understand how Viktor's actual lore hasn't been released yet and people are going ballistic. We don't know Viktor's point of view on the events in Jayce's lore. We know Jayce's point of view and Jayce is meant to be portrayed as a hero whether he likes it or not.

For all we know the dead bodies with their brains removed were willing sacrifices in the name of the glorious evolution. We just don't know what happened, how it happened, and why.

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