Irelia is getting effectively deleted!

Linna Excel··1 votes·912 views

Irelia haters rejoice, Irelia lovers despair. The harbinger of effective deletes has declared Irelia to be his next victim!

Even though we’ll be doing major changes to her kit, we want Irelia to feel like the champion players have grown to love, just in a much more thematically cohesive way.

I don't believe this blatant piece of BS reav3 put out one bit. I'm sorry I just don't. This is kind of lie is pretty offensive, to be honest. If riot really wanted her to feel like the same champion, they'd have just given her a mid-level rework that did something about her E and maybe put some scalings on her W as compensation. For her to get a rework means riot does not want her to be the same champ. Not when you've got champs like Nunu running around in need of more graphical and gameplay work.

Everyone is expecting a major rework that completely changes Irelia's look, gameplay, and lore so she's going to be completely different. Riot clearly has wanted to completely rework irelia for years. Well, they are finally doing it. The off-tank, half-assassin diver shall be no more.

Irelia is finally getting nerfed. The meme can now die.

So my question for riot is what is this new champ y'all are calling Irelia really going to be like? Is she going to be an ADC for top lane? Something like shen's ghost blade perhaps? Is she going to be a diver? A tank? A skirmisher? Will she even want to rush a trinity force anymore?

Come on now, speak honestly and stop the lies. We are curious. What is not-irelia but totally irelia (wink wink) going to be like? Because you've announced it, you've clearly got some ideas for gutting her that you want to commit to now. What are they?

12 Comments

Malicious Metal5 votes

Oh, I haven't seen this kind of thread before.

Linna Excel1 votes

I'm actually surprised they didn't opt for Morde or nunu at least. I feel like as much as her E is complained about, there were worse off champs as a whole.

Thinking about it, Corki would need some TLC as well.

Malicious Metal2 votes

Probably to avoid overlap with Swain and the recent Dark/Grim Fantasy characters like Warwick and Urgot.

Plus they have to decide which lane to design him for, be it Duo or Solo, while also finding a solid design direction to go for.

All in all I think Irelia was the obvious pick. She has a ton of untapped potential while also being Ionian, a place that could use some fleshing out.

Linna Excel1 votes

All in all I think Irelia was the obvious pick.

Maybe, but weren't there better choices? I'd rather they work on the most in need rather than a champ that's still okayish.

Malicious Metal3 votes

It's not solely about who needs it the most.

It's about the VGU team having a strong, resonant theme to work with. It's the "heart" of a VGU, this isn't some mechanical, sterile process, if they don't have a solid design direction you end up with a very uninspired rework that just feels forced.

Sure, the champion would be updated but it wouldn't really be the absolute frigging best they could've done.

Linna Excel1 votes

It's about the VGU team having a strong, resonant theme to work with. It's the "heart" of a VGU, this isn't some mechanical, sterile process, if they don't have a solid design direction you end up with a very uninspired rework that just feels forced.

Normally I agree with this, but in this case I can't help but feel this is less about having strong focus and more about reav3 hating irelia for not matching the fantasy he envisioned and bumping her up the "to gut" list because of that.

Maybe when his pet project is finally done, things will be better.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

In fairness, I'm not exactly happy with the times Riot decided to update champions I play, and am living in fear of when they get their hands on my main.

But not all of these updates have been bad. Not by a longshot.

Linna Excel1 votes

My opinion on reworks is that the gameplay aspect and the visual/lore aspects are both 50-50 on if they are improvements or not. So whenever riot announces a rework, it's basically 2 coins getting flipped.

Moonboy651 votes

you're a lie

Linna Excel1 votes

No u.

Umbral Regent1 votes

Irelia haters rejoice, Irelia lovers despair. The harbinger of effective deletes has declared Irelia to be his next victim!

You'd have to take years of drama class to come up with an overreaction this absurd. Bear in mind; this isn't an insult to you, I'm just really amazed at the overdramatic word choice.


First off, lemme start by debunking the whole "oh the Champion is getting effectively deleted" schtick, 'cause it's irritating as hell to see that practically every other rework.

Every time a Champion gets reworked and they hit the PBE, everyone has some huge issue with it one way or another. My biggest issue with Galio, for example, was that he was turned from a hunched-over gargoyle into the monolithic straight-backed humanoid he is now. (and "Justice Punch", but that's neither here nor there.)

But a lot of the time, people seem to throw everything out the window once they see the slightest surface-appearance of the Champion not being exactly like they were/are before Rework. Evelynn being a near-naked human-like appearance instead of an assassin in BDSM leathers, for example, or Galio not immediately breaking into some morose self-inspection about his failed duties or what-not.

"They deleted Galio and replaced him with this!?" "Who's this? This doesn't look like Evelynn...", etc. etc.

But, nobody really bothered to pay attention to all the details they kept. Like, Galio still has his introspective, sadder quotes.

"Tragedy is worse when you can do nothing about it." "They made me to stop magic, and yet I hate when it's gone." "I like you, small blue thing. You're the one who doesn't change." "Ah, the world. It goes by in a flash."

Amongst a few others; Galio still has that to him. Riot knew how important it was to keep Galio somewhat somber, because that (alongside his Idol of Durand) was one of his most defining features.

As for Evelynn - they remade her into something more thematically correct than "BDSM Assassin" - she's now a demon, a primordial stalker and seductress. She still stalks and kills prey while looking unimaginably sexy, and, of course, she retains two of her signature moves; Hate Spikes and permastealth.

And those are just two examples I could think of right off-hand where people were godsawful appalled at how - gasp - Different the Champion looked post-update, despite Riot keeping a lot of the thematic and gameplay cores of the Champions.

So, yes - they do look drastically different, but that's the thing about Evelynn and Galio - they're not human, so they've got quite a bit of room to work on them when it comes to visual design, they should be allowed those liberties.


Next, there's this;

For her to get a rework means riot does not want her to be the same champ.

You're clearly looking at it through the wrong lens. It's not that Riot doesn't want Irelia to be the same Champion, it's that they want Irelia to be the Champion she sells herself as. The Irelia that her current kit fails to deliver on, where her thematics (telekinetic swordswoman) don't match her gameplay (enemy has more health than me = I stun them and win).

Let's look at some examples where Champions didn't really fit their thematics, and Riot elevated them to something wholly better, shall we?

First off, Warwick. Before, he was the Blood Hunter, some scientist who was in-league with Singed, bringing bodies for his inhumane experiments, and in order to do his job better, he had Singed perform some esoteric alchemy involving...Star organs, or something, to turn him into a werewolf.

...Yeah. Not a great thematic. It's silly, frankly. But, when they were reworking him, they stripped away the unnecessary details and refined Warwick. He was someone, who had the misfortune to meet Singed, and became a part of the inhumane experiments, becoming - not a werewolf - but a chimera.

And with the changed backstory and basic design inspiration (not a werewolf but still kind of one), they took his theme ("Blood Hunter") and cranked it straight up to eleven.

And I think anyone who plays Warwick nowadays will say he delivers really, really goddamn well on that theme - what with his Blood Scent and the long-range tackle.

Then, we have Urgot; disgusting, half-dead monster "human" with mechanical legs. That is nothing easy to work with. And yet, they took that, and made a trudging, powerful tank with heavy machinery and a massive human torso to give to us, in all his ruthless glory.


And I'm not saying Riot's reworks are all perfect, either. Everyone and their mother can agree that Ryze's rework didn't exactly cut it, and the Class Updates were pretty rough for some Champions. (Rengar being my biggest pain point), but with their VGU pods wholeheartedly focusing on Champions one at a time instead of broadly sweeping over a class/subclass to make distinct, you have to admit they've been extremely good about succeeding with these updates.

All said, I'm pretty interested to see how Irelia comes out - hell, maybe the rework will give me the opportunity to play and enjoy her. It'll definitely be better than the stale thing she is now.

Beyond Legends1 votes

When has Ryze reworked ever worked lol? Honestly both Rengar and Ryze are probably the most hardiest champion to balance.

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