Can we get a Kayn and Kindred interaction

Bultz·Jun 29, 2017·3 votes·1,477 views

Since both are death, kindred the grim reaper of sorts and Kayn death of the four horsemen. Maybe a little sass or banter?

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RalanrJun 29, 20173 votes

I'm not really sure that's fully appropriate. Kindred is the grim reaper, Rhaast is probably more of a "self proclaimed" aspect of death.

Like how Aatrox is just seen as a god by some cultures but doesn't care.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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I'm not really sure that's fully appropriate. Kindred is the grim reaper, Rhaast is probably more of a "self proclaimed" aspect of death.

Like how Aatrox is just seen as a god by some cultures but doesn't care.

Yeah, but the weapons are said to be immortal and are, as far as we can tell, going to symbolize the four horsemen.

RalanrJun 29, 20171 votes

That doesn't mean they are equal to Kindred in terms of power.

I'd argue that the Darkin are about as powerful as Blackbeards crew in one piece given how each csn destroy a nation single handily. They're practically demigods, but they can't fight celestials on an even ground.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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That doesn't mean they are equal to Kindred in terms of power.

I'd argue that the Darkin are about as powerful as Blackbeards crew in one piece given how each csn destroy a nation single handily. They're practically demigods, but they can't fight celestials on an even ground.

It doesn't mean that they are not either. We don't have enough lore to say they are not. As for you demigod statement, kindred isn't a god either.......I need a rioters statement or official lore to be resealed as Rayn is coming out soon and Aatrox is beign reworked with a possible lore update to boot. So until either happen, they can be cosmic level.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 29, 20171 votes

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Yeah, but the weapons are said to be immortal and are, as far as we can tell, going to symbolize the four horsemen.

There are many errors in what you said:

First: Darkins say that they are inmortal, but we know that is not true. Many Darkins existed before and they died, that is why there are only 5 left. Kayn in his Shadow Assasin actually manages to kill Rhaast.

Second: There are 5 Darkin left, not 4.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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There are many errors in what you said:

First: Darkins say that they are inmortal, but we know that is not true. Many Darkins existed before and they died, that is why there are only 5 left. Kayn in his Shadow Assasin actually manages to kill Rhaast.

Second: There are 5 Darkin left, not 4.

They are reworking Aatrox, so I am guessing his lore is being changes as well. Idk if it is, I am just guessing since it's such a major change. So as far as we know, we can't go by the old lore until either Kayn drops, or Aatrox is reworked, or a rioter comments. So as for many existing, Idk about that, as for them dying, we don't knoww how they died. In some stories the nephalim, union of angels and demons, where the origins of the four horsemen and the four killed all of the other nephalim, such as in the darksider video game for example. As for killing Rhaast I want a rioter statement on that as killing and just taking full control of one being are two different things.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 29, 20173 votes

Kayn is just a ionian dude with a weird talking weapon, he is not death

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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Kayn is just a ionian dude with a weird talking weapon, he is not death

The weapons are supposed to symbolize the 4 horsemen and have said so in their special interactions, calling each other death and war.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 29, 20171 votes

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The weapons are supposed to symbolize the 4 horsemen and have said so in their special interactions, calling each other death and war.

Hecarim also call himself war and there are like tons of champ that symbolize death in the shadow isles, the idea of champions that symbolize the 4 horsemen has been done a lot of times and never makes sense. The Horsemen are from a religion of Earth, not Runeterra.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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Hecarim also call himself war and there are like tons of champ that symbolize death in the shadow isles, the idea of champions that symbolize the 4 horsemen has been done a lot of times and never makes sense. The Horsemen are from a religion of Earth, not Runeterra.

Yes, but riot is world building and changing peoples lore. As for representing death and war, the others are about death and war, sure, but not embodiment's. Until riot comments, release lores, or updates lore, we won't know or have much to say about it. Either way, giving him an interaction with kindred still isn't that big a deal since he calls himself death and is a scythe.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 29, 20172 votes

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Yes, but riot is world building and changing peoples lore. As for representing death and war, the others are about death and war, sure, but not embodiment's. Until riot comments, release lores, or updates lore, we won't know or have much to say about it. Either way, giving him an interaction with kindred still isn't that big a deal since he calls himself death and is a scythe.

The thing is that anyone can shoehorn the Horsemen (or the 7 sins) with anything... and anyways, Riot will not add more quotes to the champ because the VO was already recorded.

RalanrJun 29, 20171 votes

It's easy to think they won't update the lore to make them more death than the champion who is literally death and was introduced after the retcon.

MrBluePantsJun 29, 20171 votes

The Darkin are demonic entities who represent and cause death (Rhaast), war (Aatrox), vengeance (Varus' bow, still no name) and 2 more. But they're not cosmic entities or gods like Kindred, Bard and Aurelion Sol.

What happens is that Kindred is death and greets those who die, and the Shadow Assassin form of Kayn serves death but he's not really death. He might think he is (big ass ego #welcomeToTheYasuo&RivenClub). And he still kinda follows Zed's teachings even after transforming so he doesn't transcent to a god. He just goes from normal human to shadow entity like Nocturne.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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The Darkin are demonic entities who represent and cause death (Rhaast), war (Aatrox), vengeance (Varus' bow, still no name) and 2 more. But they're not cosmic entities or gods like Kindred, Bard and Aurelion Sol.

What happens is that Kindred is death and greets those who die, and the Shadow Assassin form of Kayn serves death but he's not really death. He might think he is (big ass ego #welcomeToTheYasuo&RivenClub). And he still kinda follows Zed's teachings even after transforming so he doesn't transcent to a god. He just goes from normal human to shadow entity like Nocturne.

Yes, but that's just his shadow form. That is separate from Darkin. The darkin are eternal weapons who control and infest their hosts.

SlythionJun 29, 20171 votes

technically there are 5 Darkin, not quite the same as the 4 horsemen :p

There are only 2 known ones, Aatrox (who is one with the sword and symbolizes War) and Rhaast (Kayn's scyth, symbolizes Death). Just a little Lore correction <3

Ragnarok14Jul 1, 20171 votes

There are 3 darkins known aatrox rhaast and varus . Just a little Lore correction <3

SlythionJul 1, 20171 votes

There are 2 known Darkin (Aatrox, Rhaast) technically, but 5 total. The other 3 are unknown, even in the Runeterra universe. Rhaast references these Darkin but doesn't even know if they survived let alone if their bound to weapons like the currently known ones are.

The reason I say 2 is because technically speaking, there is no confirmation that Varus' bow is a legitimate Darkin (entity and all), rather than just being infused with Darkin power. The Darkin were supposedly imprisoned into weapons a longggg time ago (Aatrox being the only known Darkin to conquer his wielder and be free from the sword), and to have Varus' bow to just become infused with a Darkin itself in such recent times contradicts that lore slightly.

It's possible that some random Darkin was sitting in the Pit of Pallas for no known reason and decided to grant Varus' his wish of revenge for no visible gain for itself, but I find it more likely that there was just residual Darkin power from the pit that became infused with Varus and his bow. This could also explain why Rhaast refers to the bow as his "kin" but never outright calls it a Darkin and therefor, not confirming 100% that the bow is a legitimate Darkin with a name.

it doesn't help that the Darkin lore is vague af and Varus' lore needs to be updated

MrBluePantsJun 29, 20171 votes

Kindred is a Celestial being (god) like Bard and Aurelion Sol.

The Darkin are kinda like very powerful demons and Kayn doesn't really turn into death. Maybe the point is he thinks he does... ;D Or maybe he just serves death.

BultzJun 29, 20171 votes

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Kindred is a Celestial being (god) like Bard and Aurelion Sol.

The Darkin are kinda like very powerful demons and Kayn doesn't really turn into death. Maybe the point is he thinks he does... ;D Or maybe he just serves death.

RIOt has gone on record to say none of those are gods or god like.

MrBluePantsJun 29, 20171 votes

Aurelion Sol creates fucking GALAXIES!! Don't compare his power level to none of the others, specially not the Darkin and other entities from Runeterra and if he creates galaxies he's a god, period. Aurelion talks to Bard and Kindred as equals so they're also ridiculously powerful cosmic entities, aka gods. And btw where did Riot say they're not gods?