Why doesn't Diana have an alliance with Noxus?

Oakleaf Ranger··2 votes·1,021 views

I just recently heard some of her lines and I was like she would fit right in with the greatest people ever aka the NOXIANS. She would make an excellent pawn ally for Noxus since they might share mutual interests.

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GreenLore7 votes

Well why would she?

She might be bitter,but that doesn't mean that she agrees with the noxian philosophy. Noxus is about the strong ruling the weak,but diana wants the moon to be aknowledged and worshipped.

Also in her new lore she isn't that bitter,so her VO doesn't match her. Though she might get to the point where she is like her ingame self.

Jeddy0174 votes

Another reason is that Diana has no reason to even go to Noxus. Plus, Noxus is possibly quite far from Targon.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Noxus has people in a lot of locations, even Taliyah got involved with them as she was on her way to Targon herself. I imagine they also have people at the out skirts of Mount Targon. So meeting up isn't out of the question. The real question is who would to be the real winner out of the alliance. FYI before the retcon Noxus invaded Ionia, no place is too far for the reach of Noxus.

Jeddy0171 votes

Wouldn't that mean Targonians would be at war with the invading Noxians? The people of Mount Targon aren't kind to hostile invaders & knowing Noxians, they're definitely what I would call hostile invaders. They wouldn't travel all the way to Mount Targon just to have an outdoor barbeque with the locals. There would be a reason. If there is a reason, they will WANT it. If they want it, they're not going to wait patiently for Targonians to hand it over.

So why would she try to ally with potential enemies? More importantly, what reason would Diana have to ally herself with Noxians? "Because I heard a few lines & thought she would fit in." Yea-no buddy, that's not a good reason. How about an actual reason that make sense?

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

They probably did try at first but have very likely learned that Targonians are not to be taken lightly and messing with them should only be done if the rewards are worth the risks involved with it. Noxus would still want people in the area to spy and report anything of importance. Anyone there trying to spy though isn't going to be looking to cause trouble or be in a group large enough to draw suspicion or attention. That also means not big enough to be able cause any kind large commotion like raiding. The lines for me was just a little bit memeing. Even if Noxus wants Targon, taking it wouldn't be an easy task and just trying to brute force it would require more resources than could be spared, IMO. Its also a matter of options and probability. Targon and more importantly Leona has somewhat of an alliance/treaty with the few areas that could potentially have the might to take over Targon. Which lowers options that were few to begin with. Also I do believe there a few groups even Diana wouldn't align herself I just don't believe Noxus would fall in that category. She might not know of factions that could be potential allies but Noxus is known well enough that even she would have heard of them. So at the very least talking with a representative of Noxus where a potential Deadly Alliance could be formed isn't out of the question. Remember the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Mutual benefits for each other, they may not agree on everything but they do have goals that could put them aligned with each other. She is more or less marked for death by her people so having manpower, access to knowledge that Noxus has, base of operations, and recources. An alliance doesn't they have to fully trust each other but enough to help serve each others goals.

Swain (evil laughter)

Blåbæret2 votes

There's just no way on earth Diana would ever go to Noxus, sorry. Diana's a good person that was abandoned by her people. She wants to spread her faith (or the truth, really), but not through evil means and certainly not by collaborating with someone who expects something in return. Diana's a lonely soul, and she's better left that way :)

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

They did not listen

I speak only truth

Deny me on longer

They leave me no choice

This is necessary

Search your heart you know it to be true

GreenLore2 votes

And what would Noxus get from that?They would get pulled into a conflict that doesn't have anything to do with them. Mt.Targon isn't even a valuable goal since it is infested with horrors from the void,so noxus likely wouldn't even want to deal with it.

Diana has nothing that she could give in return,so there isn't really a reason for Noxus to deal with that.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Glory, territory, subjects, mining areas, a excellent place to training soldiers, etc. I thought Sol cleared those horror out, so the void threat there is probably the same as else where maybe more though since it is MT.Targon

GreenLore2 votes

Sol destroyed one void gate,but thats not everything. Leonas lore mentions how every rakkor is trained to fight the horrors of targon and Diana herself gets attacked by void creatures in her color text.

Also if noxus wanted to conquer Mt.Targon they wouldn't need Diana for that,they could do it on their own.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Horrors is an ambiguous word that could include a whole range of threats and not just the void. The people of Noxus have had a time period where an undead wraith warrior who could bring back the dead as unwilling servants with mastery of other dark arts was king and are now ruled by a person who can transform into a bird demon and may not even be human. The void isn't a threat that Noxus could not handle and even look for dangerous creatures to capture as mentioned in rek Sai's lore. Noxus could potentially siege and take Mt Targon but I imagine the resources needed for such a task would leave Noxus unable to repel other enemies at the same time. But if say a local who knew the area were to assist and offer their knowledge, well that could be the game changer needed for a siege to become much less difficult to win.

Skelenth1 votes
  1. Mordekaiser's fortress is actually older than Noxus. It didn't exist before his fall so they never actually dealt with him.
  2. Probably noone in Noxus knows Swain can transform into a bird demon.
  3. The Void is a whole dimension of horrors. Noxus can't fight a world that hyperintelligent space people that enslaved a star creating dragon couldn't fight. A local wouldn't help either.

All Diana has to offer for Noxus is her connection to the moon aspect, and I have a hard time believing she would let them study it instead of worship

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

they are the desendents of the people who survived his reign or may have been involved in his "final" defeat (guy just won't stay down even now). They don't have to fight the whole dimension, just keep the seal that separates the 2 worlds closed which is mostly dependent on the door being opened for them instead of them being able to enter freely. You seem to forget that Diana grew up among the people who oversaw much of MT. Targon and its villages. Her knowledge of the area would be extensive compared to most of the other locals, being surpassed possibly by only a few like Leona.

GreenLore1 votes

the thing is that dianas lore makes it clear that horros=void creatures,since she gets attacked by horrors who turn purple when they enter runeterras atmosphere and she closes the gate that connects to their home

And the void is definetly too big of a threat for noxus,it is a whole dimension of otherworldly terrors,that seems to threaten even other planets. I mean in rek'sais lore it basically ends up with rek'sai being too much of a problem for the noxian.

And again,the question is: Where would be the big use for noxus? Conquering Targon doesn't get them much since targon is still a hazardous land. diana could guide them,but if there is no guarantee for them that diana really knows targon that good and no reason for them to trust her...

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

The impression I get from Noxus is if you can take it then do it. Diana wants to spread the truth of the moon in a seemingly religious way. Noxus is pretty chill and lenient when it comes to religion (Elise runs a religion that is basically a cult that sacrifices people). In exchange for Diana's guidance she gets to spread the word of the moon sounds like possible agreement the two parties could come too. Diana would need some kind of proof though to prove she could up held her end of the Bargin though. What that could be is anyone's guess. MT. Targon is harsh but not unlivable and definitely has merits to controlling if possible. The void is a threat but that is mostly reliant on it being released into the world then it actually just straight up invading. The ones who do manage to get through are possible to deal with.

GreenLore1 votes

Again it is a place that has been swarming with void creatures for millenia(sols story takes place during the time when shurimas sun disc was built and that thing was already pretty old during shurimas fall,which happened over a thousand years ago). You really think noxus could get the void infestation under control,when a hole civilization that kills every void creature on sight didn't manage to do it?

Also they could just hire some other guide. Establishing a state religion is a far too high cost for a simple guide as there are surely some others who would be willing to guide the noxians for less.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

What I would expect happen is that it would be like a satellite state for Noxus. Not much would change at least immediately, expect loyalty for Noxus. Noxus wouldn't establish any religion just have it tolerated and make it illegal to call a public execution for worshipping the moon. The rest is on Diana. Noxus is also ahead of the curve compared to MT. Targon when it comes to technology so they may have ways to help deal with the void there that currently isn't possible. Finding a guide who knows the areas of MT. Targon and would provide tactical information for what they would perceive as an invasion of their home is unlikely.

GreenLore1 votes

You know if Noxus wants to overtake a country,then they'll do it right. A satellite state is really unlikely considering that they can't expect to trust them. After all where is the guarantee that diana/targon would follow noxus once everything is over? Not to mention that it doesn't fit the noxian philosophy.The strong are meant to rule,so why should they leave targon to someone else when they were the ones conquering it?

Also targon has the help of a giant space dragon that can annihilate whole landsides with ease and they couldn't fix the void problem,there is really nothing that noxus could do against it.

And it shouldn't be too hard to find someone who can be bought with money or just threatened to do it,not everyone is a saint.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

First let me preface all this as a possible story that could occur and not necessarily everything I say would happen. A satellite state is the most easiest way to handle Targon in terms of control with the fewest resources needed IMO. Doesn't mean they wouldn't leave a reasonable sized force to prevent any kind of rebellion with someone from Noxus to call the shots there. Yes they have a dragon, one who hates working for them and has returned to Runeterra because he thinks there is an opportunity to take his freedom back after the people controlling him have grown quite, with potential fighting that may have caused some kind of civil war. He also isn't fully controlled, more like being blackmailed into doing their bidding with his stars held hostage. Would you be surprised if ended up siding with the people that could help him overthrow his enslavers? Probably wouldn't happen though due his views on lesser beings but could still occur. The void in its current state is more like a pest problem IMO. As long the veil that separates the 2 worlds remains intact and isn't breached the void cannot launch a global assault, doesn't mean they cant put plans into motion of their own achieve a global invasion but that's another thing. Void creatures aren't immune to death, Noxus has the tools and power to kill them, not saying it would be easy but definitely possible.

Oakleaf Ranger2 votes

Your not welcomed here, go play house with your friends at Demacia

MavenSong2 votes

You confuse Solari / Lunari with Demacia / Noxus. There is very little correlation between them other than Demacia occasionally banishes people there like Taric who is a Neutral party anyways.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

I'm not confusing anything, I just know that guy is a Leona fan from other posts and comments by him. Just a warning to so that person doesn't attempt to ruin potential plans of Noxus. ;)

underscores2223 votes

Diana is dark, yes. Forsaken, branded a heretic, and cast out. Misunderstood. She's pretty bitter.

I don't think she's in line with Noxus though. She wants the truth - that the sun and moon are equals / not mortal enemies / both important and worthy of being loved. She's not out for power, just understanding.

Oakleaf Ranger2 votes

well unfortunately for her words alone aren't going to get her goals done so forming an alliance with Noxus would serve in her interest especially if it means gaining access to knowledge that could be very useful for her. She doesn't have agree with every about Noxus to forge an alliance that would be beneficial for both parties.

underscores2222 votes

I'm not sold on how working with Noxus would advance her goals or be beneficial to her.

Oakleaf Ranger1 votes

Well they wouldn't be sipping tea and going shopping if that's what your wondering and the alliance would probably be sketchy but see above for more reasons on why it could happen.

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