@Riot: If Someone is Possessed by all of the "Evil" Forces.. What Happens?

SSmotzer·Dec 28, 2017·10 votes·4,464 views

So a Black Ice Iceborne, corrupted by the Void, reanimated by the Black Mist, who is also wielding a Darkin.... who does this person belong to?

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RiotBioluminescenceDec 29, 201711 votes

I'm not speaking in an official capacity (sorry!) but if it's alright, I'd like to theorize about this too :D

So let's imagine that this poor sod is affected by these things in the order that SSmotzer talks about them - so an entity is:

Originally Iceborn
Who is then corrupted by the Void,
Then taken by the Black Mist,
And finally takes up a Darkin weapon.

First off - sucks to be them.

Iceborn -> Void

I'm less familiar with Black Ice, so I'm going to start with 'standard' Iceborn. Sorry! I don't think there's any problem with the idea that an Iceborn could be affected by the Void - being Iceborn doesn't (from what I know) confer any resistance towards the Void, except that it'd be harder for the Void to actually make contact, with Iceborn being so strong and generally very tough.

Unfortunately, unless they are able to stave off the corrupting influence of the Void on a semi-permanent basis (like Kassadin or...) then total overwhelming Void corruption would result in the entity being remade by the Void. Hard to say how much of the original Iceborn's identity would remain, but physically the entity would likely be incredibly tough, possibly larger than it originally was (depending) and most likely fixated on the continued success of the Void.

Void -> Black Mist

So we've got a mostly Void-creature at this point. Probably humanoid-ish with unnatural strength and toughness. In comes the Mist.

Most of what we've seen of the Black Mist shows us Harrowing entities bringing the dead back to a twisted, broken, form of 'life' - but that's where we encounter our first issue. According to Diana's color story, and the promo for Rek'Sai, Void creatures that are killed don't leave a corpse for very long - they near immediately dissolve.

Hrm. Bit of a show-stopper there.

But that's no fun so let's propose our Void creature is subjected to a slow, debilitating, version of the Mists then. Now, tricky bit - if the Black Mists draw out the spirit of the entity - does a Void creature have a spirit? In-game Thresh would say yes, as he shoves them in his lantern like they were candy, but in-universe, that's a tricky question.

At this point, for the sake of more fun, let's say that yes they do - if only so we can get to the end of the thought experiment!

Spirits from the Harrowing are generally a mix of corporeal and non-corporeal - able to become more of one than the other. Their form is usually the one that they had in life, more or less (hi, Hecarim, you weirdo) but their eyes glow with an unnatural lambent fire and their skin is translucent and blue-green. Our Harrowing-Void creature would likely have the same glowing eyes, a mostly humanoid form, and with a bit of creative liscence, its harder/thicker carapace like the armor on Hecarim or Kalista, and the lighter/thinner carapace being the translucent form.

However! Entities from the Black Mist are (I believe) usually driven by something - or they are mindless and exist in thrall to another, stronger, Harrowing entity. The mindless ones we read about in Maokai's color story seem to exist with a drive to snuff out life where-ever they find it, while Kalista exists to take vengeance on behalf of the betrayed. I contend that our Void entity might not have a strong enough will to be self-driven - and would instead go wherever the 'will' of the greater Black Mist itself would take it. (It's possible that the mind of the original Iceborn could be strong enough to persist in some twisted form all the way down to this point, but man - what a will it would have had to have had!).

For those having trouble keeping track of my rambling - our entity is a slightly oversized Harrowing version of an incredibly strong, tough, Void entity. Mostly humanoid with glowing eyes, solid armored carapace sections, and is driven by the will of the Mists as a whole.

Black Mist -> Darkin

But there, lying on the ground, is a weapon bound with a Darkin. So what happens? Hrm, tricky. Reeeeally tricky. Imagine the Harrowing-Void-Iceborn creature sees it as a form of life, and approaches it in its mindless attempt to snuff out life. It becomes corporeal enough to reach out and touch it... but what happens? We saw from Varus that the Darkin takes the body or bodies that it has available to it, and if it can overcome the will of the wielder, will remold their physical form to closer serve the Darkin within.

But does an entity from the Mists have a physical form?

I think we might be stretching it a bit far now. Is a Harrowing creature, when corporeal, a physical creature? Does it have 'flesh' that a Darkin could control?

I give up!

At this point, I have to throw up my arms in defeat. I don't know!
By this point, we've needed to 'excuse' a few things -

A Void creature that is able to be taken by the Mists without its corpse dissolving
The deep philosophical quandary of whether or not Void entities have 'spirits' that the Harrowing could act on

and now:

Do entities from the Black Mists have 'flesh' that a Darkin weapon would be able to act upon?

It all feels like trying to min-max a super crazy D&D character - with half-dragon vampire gnomes and the like :)

Illâoi Evê SiônDec 29, 20171 votes

Is there an order in which these four could coexist? Darkin needs flesh, Mist needs a spirit, Void needs a mind? What do the Watchers need in order to create an Iceborn? Could Iceborn --> Darkin --> Mist --> Void work or does the Void also need flesh?

Maybe then Iceborn --> Void --> Darkin --> Mist or Iceborn --> Darkin --> Void --> Mist?

ModThe DjinnDec 29, 20172 votes

{quoted}But there, lying on the ground, is a weapon bound with a Darkin. So what happens? Hrm, tricky. Reeeeally tricky. Imagine the Harrowing-Void-Iceborn creature sees it as a form of life, and approaches it in its mindless attempt to snuff out life. It becomes corporeal enough to reach out and touch it... but what happens? We saw from Varus that the Darkin takes the body or bodies that it has available to it, and if it can overcome the will of the wielder, will remold their physical form to closer serve the Darkin within.

But does an entity from the Mists have a physical form?

I think it's clear that many of them do, given that they can interact physically with objects. I'd personally question whether a Darkin -- an entity that can be imprisoned in a weapon -- even needs flesh, really, or whether we've only seen flesh-based Darkin because most weapons are only wielded by those with physical forms. Given that all Darkin seem to struggle on a psychic battlefield for dominance and then remake the form in their own image, I can honestly see a situation where a Shadow Isles spirit becomes the host of the Darkin mind, wielded by an angry spirit and formed into a semi-corporeal representation of the Darkin's true form, as, not being limited to the available flesh, the Darkin could likely achieve something closer to its true body. The resulting creature would probably have little resemblance to the Iceborn/Void creature it used to be, but it's probably all the more frightening for being a Darkin that transcends the normal restrictions and vulnerabilities of a physical form.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 29, 20173 votes

Well, It makes sense to imprison a creature that needs flesh inside something that doesnt have flesh (aka a weapon made of metal), so, they wouldnt "expand". And anyways, without flesh, the darkin would be unable to "remake" the form of this undeadvoidiceborn-host because they use flesh to do so.

However, its important to mention that some creatures of the mist keep their bodies, like the ghouls that Yorick summons... but then there is the problem that the void creatures dissolve after they die. Maybe the ice of the iceborn stops the decomposition of the voidcorpse just like the just like the cold slow down the decomposition of normal corpses?

ModThe DjinnDec 29, 20172 votes

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Well, It makes sense to imprison a creature that needs flesh inside something that doesnt have flesh (aka a weapon made of metal), so, they wouldnt "expand". And anyways, without flesh, the darkin would be unable to "remake" the form of this undeadvoidiceborn-host because they use flesh to do so.

However, its important to mention that some creatures of the mist keep their bodies, like the ghouls that Yorick summons... but then there is the problem that the void creatures dissolve after they die. Maybe the ice of the iceborn stops the decomposition of the voidcorpse just like the just like the cold slow down the decomposition of normal corpses?

I wonder if that's true of every creature though. The ones in Diana's color story certainly seem to break into a tar-like substance when killed, but that may not be the case for every Void monster.

RiotBioluminescenceDec 29, 20173 votes

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Well, It makes sense to imprison a creature that needs flesh inside something that doesnt have flesh (aka a weapon made of metal), so, they wouldnt "expand". And anyways, without flesh, the darkin would be unable to "remake" the form of this undeadvoidiceborn-host because they use flesh to do so.

However, its important to mention that some creatures of the mist keep their bodies, like the ghouls that Yorick summons... but then there is the problem that the void creatures dissolve after they die. Maybe the ice of the iceborn stops the decomposition of the voidcorpse just like the just like the cold slow down the decomposition of normal corpses?

You raise a good point about the weapon being a safe container due to it lacking flesh. I think that's a pretty reasonable way of looking at it.

Do we have any info on dead iceborn? Because I assumed that an iceborn would be resistant to the effects of the cold, rather than being made of cold, but I could very well be wrong. If so, that might make it even less likely that the corpse of a Void version would persist, even in sub-zero temperatures.

Yoricks ghoulse are a good example - but they seem very temporary. Similar to my worries about The Djinn's comment about the Darkin being able to use the corporeal-state version of a Dark Mist entity - what happens when the entity goes non-corporeal while holding a very-much-corporeal Darkin weapon? Does it get dropped (which I imagine is not good for the Darkin entity)? Does it become a spirit version of the Darkin weapon that then can become non-corporeal? Is a Black Mist entity holding a corporeal object able to turn it non-corporeal and take it with it?

That last question might be the most important one (with possible future implications). Can an entity from the Black Mist pick up an object and then disappear, taking it with them? Where does the object go?

ModThe DjinnDec 29, 20173 votes

{quoted}You raise a good point about the weapon being a safe container due to it lacking flesh. I think that's a pretty reasonable way of looking at it.

I'd always assumed it was simply that anything without a will served a good purpose.

...for that matter, why ARE they imprisoned in weapons? Be it because they don't have flesh or because they don't have a mind, it seems silly to put them in one of the few things ALWAYS intended to be wielded by sentient hands. Why don't we have, say, Darkin anchors sunk at the bottom of oceans, or Darkin statues kept as decoration in inaccessible places, like gargoyles? Seems much safer to me!

Yoricks ghoulse are a good example - but they seem very temporary. Similar to my worries about The Djinn's comment about the Darkin being able to use the corporeal-state version of a Dark Mist entity - what happens when the entity goes non-corporeal while holding a very-much-corporeal Darkin weapon? Does it get dropped (which I imagine is not good for the Darkin entity)? Does it become a spirit version of the Darkin weapon that then can become non-corporeal? Is a Black Mist entity holding a corporeal object able to turn it non-corporeal and take it with it?

Can Darkin survive without their weapon when they've taken over a body? I'd assume so, since at that point they're no longer bound to it. I'd imagine we'd have a Darkin spirit floating around, which is a nasty thought. It really does seem like they're not really corporeal beings as we think of them, since they seem to be able to bridge the gap between weapon and body pretty easily. My guess is you can have a non-corporeal Darkin as a spiritual presence.

ZallamanceDec 29, 20171 votes

Aight, I'm just gonna throw out some of the things I've picked up at this. In Varus' updated lore, it's revealed that his bow was the actual bow he used when the Darkin were invading Runterra. So I think it would be safe to assume that this is the same with the other Darkin (Aatrox and Rhaast) and that rather trap the Darkin into some mundane item such as an anchor, they had to be trapped into something that was incredibly durable and that neither the weapon nor the Darkin would reject.

Also, if we can take in-game assets into theory, Rhaast (still trapped inside of the scythe) rises up and pierces into Kayne's body in order to complete the corruption and mold Kayne's body into one better suiting him as a Darkin. This suggests to me that the weapons themselves can actually act and move of their own accord (or from the spirit trapped inside), if only a limited amount of time. Still taking in-game assets into consideration, during Aatrox's dance, his blade moves up and down, further promoting this theory.

In my mind I've always thought of a Darkin weapon, once the Darkin has taken over its host, to be that similar to that of a busy business employee and their phone. Yea, they can live without it, but it's such an integral part of their life that it's with them 24/7 and they feel incredibly uncomfortable if they don't have it with them. Actually, I feel with the Darkin it goes deeper than that too. Their weapon is their identity. If you've ever read/watched The Golden Compass, I believe the bond between a Darkin and their weapon is practically the same as that of a person and their daemon.

To the mian topic at hand though, I believe the order of a series of unfortunate would be most successful if it were Iceborn>Black Mist>Darkin Weapon>Void.

Iceborn being dies from some unruly travesty, and for some reason was near the Shadow Isles. The Mist resurrects said being. Their goal would most likely stay the same as it previously was (which I would assume fight back the Mist as I have no real idea why an Iceborn would be near it otherwise). During this endeavor, they come across a Darkin weapon and wield it. Considering their will is strong enough to keep cognition after being resuscitated, the Darkin would only partly corrupt the body as they steadily chipped away at the psyche to gain control (similar to Kayne's predicament, and arguably Varus'). Said being mostly likely wouldn't care too much about the annoyance of the Darkin, as their body becomes rather trivial at this point (the mist brought them back to life, they don't care about their body, only the task they are set to do) and their mind is pretty devoted to their current task, so the Darkin would have a tough time corrupting it. Next comes the Void. This is where it get's pretty weird.

Up to this point, the mentality of the being has been mostly that of the Iceborn, the mist not able to corrupt its mind and the Darkin unable to devour it. Once the void comes into play though, it plays the part almost of that of the Darkin, except no weapon required (creeping corruption of both the body and mind). So, this monstrosity now has 3 mind (4 if the mist is kicking around in that noggin) all trying for control. Are they doing a time-share, where each one gets to watch its favorite show on TV depending on what day of the week it is? Doubtful, but maybe. Possibly it would be similar to Golem from Lord Of The Rings, except more than two personalities. While the Iceborn is still the main ruler of the mind, the remaining voices would argue on everything it thought/said, slowly swaying the general consensus towards their opinion and away from the others, but ultimately the choice is still the Iceborn. Or would it be like Varus, where when one of the beings trapped inside feels strongly enough about a certain thing, they get to take control, and so the other mentality's need to sort of coax them into their way of thinking in order to have power?

Honestly, this is the best I can come up with. Throw in Vastayan blood, Shuriman Ascension, Illaoi's god, Mount Targon Aspect, the Solari, Viktor's machine assimilation, wherever the fuck Fiddlesticks and Nocturne came from, some sort of deal with Tahm Kench/Evelynn (or both), Swain shadow magic, Ryze rune magic, Lulu's friend Pix and his magic world, make them a demi-god like Anivia and Ornn, the Deep spirit of Nautilus, the Fire spirit of Brand, Zaun augmentation, Singed experimentation, some missing link Yordle blood, the God-Willow, some angel crap from Kayle and Morganna, double rainbows, Ionian wind and mantra and Wuju and FOUR bullet techniques, Nidalee cougar magic, Crystal Spires, Fallen star goat magic, and etwahl, gypsy card magic, throw another rock magic, so much untapped power magic, poison, Spirit Guardians, Time magic, plant growing magic, hextech explosions and fuck it, why not making them Zac's brother while were at it, and you've got the most painfully off the hinges backstory ever.

A lot of cookies to anyone that can make all these things fit into one person

Ebonmaw DragonDec 29, 20173 votes

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You raise a good point about the weapon being a safe container due to it lacking flesh. I think that's a pretty reasonable way of looking at it.

Do we have any info on dead iceborn? Because I assumed that an iceborn would be resistant to the effects of the cold, rather than being made of cold, but I could very well be wrong. If so, that might make it even less likely that the corpse of a Void version would persist, even in sub-zero temperatures.

Good thing that we actually DO have a dead iceborn to take as example:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1c/The_Viking.png/revision/latest?cb=20130430175555

If we assume that the thing behind the spirit of Gregor is his body and not a statue... we can say that the body of the Iceborn can be keep in a good condition after dying, that may be because of the cold of Freljord... but its too well conserved to be just a consequense of the cold of the region.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1a/Viking_Concept.png/revision/latest?cb=20130420002717

Also, is good to mention that even his spirit seems to be "frozen" in some way, that, of course may be because of the model. But If we compare his spirit with a spirit from the mist, his color is a bit more light blue/white as the ice.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/93/Iceborn_Keeper_profileicon.png/revision/latest?cb=20170517182305 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/4e/Spirit_of_the_Altar_profileicon.png/revision/latest?cb=20170517182322

PlacentasDec 29, 20172 votes

I never noticed his dead body was there 0_0

XIII VanitasDec 29, 20171 votes

His body is still conserved in true ice because he was ritually killed by Avarosa in order to turn him into the immortal guardian of the Howling Abyss. Without receiving that "special treatment", he would have eventually died of old age and his body would have naturally decomposed.

kayakninjaDec 29, 20172 votes

You forget we have a Darkin who can turn incorporeal in the lore already. If Kayn's in-game abilities can be used as a reference, anyway. He had the ability to walk through walls and when the Darkin possesses him, he/it retains that ability.

PyrobolserJan 2, 20181 votes

Kayne can keep his weapon even when he is walking through walls. So I am not really worried about the weapon getting dropped.

EpicurusDec 29, 20175 votes

So what happens if our Harrowing-Void-Iceborn-Darkin abomination ascends Mount Targon and is possessed by an Aspect?

You know what, let's add Viktor's mind-controlling dive suit to the equation as well.

RiotBioluminescenceDec 29, 201713 votes

{quoted}

So what happens if our Harrowing-Void-Iceborn-Darkin abomination ascends Mount Targon and is possessed by an Aspect?

You know what, let's adds Viktor's mind-controlling dive suit to the equation as well.

Is this before or after their Ascension ritual, do you think?

EpicurusDec 29, 20176 votes

[sg-zephyr]

Ebonmaw DragonDec 29, 20176 votes

{quoted}

Is this before or after their Ascension ritual, do you think?

It depends if it has vastaya blood or not.

Mig89Dec 29, 20171 votes

and then goes to Shurima and gets ascended [zombie-brand-mindblown]

PyrobolserJan 2, 20182 votes

Well, maybe the order isn't right then. Let's try this way :

Our character is an Iceborn.
He takes up a Darkin Weapon.
The Black Mist turns him into an undead.
Finally he is corrupted by the Void.

We could even fit other transformations in there :

Iceborn > Zaun's Biomechanical Enhancement > Mount Targon > Ascended > Darkin > Black Mist > Void > Super Saiyan

I think we have the material to make another very balanced character ! Reminds me the fake lee sin spotlight =D

GreenLoreDec 28, 20173 votes

In general we don't even know if the black ice can corrupt humans. It could corrupt Anivia,but thats just because Anivia is made of ice herself.

Anyway I'd say that while they are alive,the void or the darkin would take over the host(or the darkin would take over and then get corrupted by the void themselves),though the black mist would likely be the one to overtake them in the end,because even a void creature or a darkin can die,so the black mist should be able to reanimate and control them.

HonestJohnTheConDec 28, 20172 votes

I'm not sure. I do know that Black Mist > Void in this case, because I believe a Rioter mentioned that Void creatures can succumb to the Black Mist of the Isles.

DariusDemiurgeDec 29, 20171 votes

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I'm not sure. I do know that Black Mist > Void in this case, because I believe a Rioter mentioned that Void creatures can succumb to the Black Mist of the Isles.

If you find that, please post it to me so I can shove it in all the void boys and girls faces. Thank you in advance.

Hextech OwIDec 28, 20171 votes

In all cases, the person is empowered by the void and corrupted by the Black Ice (so turned evil, unless a Champion/Legendary skin corrupted by the Black Ice comes out and is not evil). The person is also empowered by the Dark Mist but is not obligatory controled by it (Example: Yorick). Finally, the Darkin may or may not take over the person (Example: Kayn).

~~Also Lissandra isn't an Iceborn. She is only corrupted by the Black Ice.~~

Edit: My bad, I mixed Iceborn and Watchers.

GreenLoreDec 28, 20171 votes

Uhm Lissandra is an iceborn and is in fact the source of the corruption.

She mentions it in her monologue that plays at the end of an aram-match(not sure if said dialogue is still avaliable)

"Back then the Frozen Watchers lived here. I do not know where they came from, but I know they were powerful. They gave us gifts, shared their magic, made us immortal. They named us 'Iceborn'."

Hextech OwIDec 28, 20171 votes

Woops, mixed Iceborn and Watchers. Fixed!

redniwediSDec 28, 20171 votes

In The Lost Tales of Ornn, particularly the story of The Troll and The Ram Door, Ornn comes in contact with a shard of True Ice, which is used by a troll. It seems that non-ice entities are completely uneffected by it. Also the Ram Door mentioned later becomes Braum's shield, and was corrupted by Lissandra.

I think it's definitely wrong to think that true ice can corrupt non-ice entities, but that's not to say a non-ice entity cannot take it's power on willingly.

SancreDec 28, 20171 votes

It belongs to the masses that will claim its too edgy, overloaded, and that Riot should fire the edgelords that made such champion

It will be a bloodbath

SSmotzerDec 28, 20171 votes

I could see a time traveling type champion, maybe a Yordle to go with Omega Squad Teemo's dark future. They could Kyle Reese it, but they are being stretched across multiple time lines where the world ending event is different in each time line.

Maybe when they die they Ground Hogs Day but they are part of another time line, maybe changing the kit based on which ending event caused them to go back in time.

Maybe the Black Ice makes them deal more magic damage and have a projectile added to their kit, the Void gives them some true damage, the Black Mist could could have a magic damage aoe around them, and the Darkin could have bonus life steal and attack range. And as an ultimate, they could use all of the buffs at once.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 28, 20171 votes

Im not sure if the Black Ice or the Watchers can corrupt people, but as almost everyone pointed out, The Black Mist would take control at the end since the darkin and the void are "living beings".

In terms of control, the thing would be like this:

Black Mist > Void > Darkin > host

RebonackDec 29, 20171 votes

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Im not sure if the Black Ice or the Watchers can corrupt people, but as almost everyone pointed out, The Black Mist would take control at the end since the darkin and the void are "living beings".

In terms of control, the thing would be like this:

Black Mist > Void > Darkin > host

Void beasties evaporate on death, so there wouldn't be a body to animate.

Do Void critters even have souls/spirits/whatever? Or are they just bio-arcane machines?

Ebonmaw DragonDec 29, 20172 votes

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Void beasties evaporate on death, so there wouldn't be a body to animate.

Do Void critters even have souls/spirits/whatever? Or are they just bio-arcane machines?

Yeah, its something that was pointed out by Bioluminicence as well... however, the OP is not talking about a void beast... he is talking about an iceborn (or a human with black ice powers) corrupted by the void and not an acual creature from the void.

I had the theory that, due the ice powers of this... "Quimera", maybe his body would be able to remain after dying... but that is just a theory.

RebonackDec 29, 20171 votes

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Yeah, its something that was pointed out by Bioluminicence as well... however, the OP is not talking about a void beast... he is talking about an iceborn (or a human with black ice powers) corrupted by the void and not an acual creature from the void.

I had the theory that, due the ice powers of this... "Quimera", maybe his body would be able to remain after dying... but that is just a theory.

I actually just noticed that post after I replied to yours.

However!

What happens when Malz dies in game?

What happened to Fishy Malz when Nami blasted a hole through him?

It would appear as though getting remade in the Void's image leaves one's flesh just as unstable as any other Voidborn. My suspicion is that whatever they're made out of shouldn't strictly be able to exist, and as soon as there isn't a will holding it coherent reality tells it to kindly bugger off.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 29, 20171 votes

I would ignore death animations of the champions because most of the time there is no lore behind it and there is no way of confirming that the champion would actually die like that... For example Lux becomes light when she dies, but nothing in her lore mentions that, or even other void creatures like chogath or Kassadin do not "evaporate" in game.

However, if we consider your theory, then its possible that the black mist would keep the corpse of the creature since the mist would be act as the "will" of the corpse.

Lord Phazanor Jan 1, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I actually just noticed that post after I replied to yours.

However!

What happens when Malz dies in game?

What happened to Fishy Malz when Nami blasted a hole through him?

It would appear as though getting remade in the Void's image leaves one's flesh just as unstable as any other Voidborn. My suspicion is that whatever they're made out of shouldn't strictly be able to exist, and as soon as there isn't a will holding it coherent reality tells it to kindly bugger off.

Does that mean their will goes back to the Void and waits to be sort of "reincarnated" or they die for good?

MrSpaceWolfDec 28, 20171 votes

It seems like they'd be controlled by whatever Darkin weapon they were wielding. If they started as an Iceborn but were corrupted by the Void, they'd very likely retain at least most of their initial mind and personality. Kassadin has continued to manage it for most of his lore, and all he has to work with is various artifacts he constructed. It seems to me that a being of such power as the Iceborn would likely be able to maintain control on their own. I don't know exactly how the Black Mist works in how it resurrects its victims, but I would guess that in the end the Darkin would probably have supreme command, since to my understanding a Darkin possession basically erases the original personality/intelligence commanding the body and inserts the Darkin, like how Rhaast did to Kayn Kayn . I'm not entirely certain, but based on how those forces have interacted with other champions, that seems to be the most likely.

Ebonmaw DragonDec 28, 20171 votes

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It seems like they'd be controlled by whatever Darkin weapon they were wielding. If they started as an Iceborn but were corrupted by the Void, they'd very likely retain at least most of their initial mind and personality. Kassadin has continued to manage it for most of his lore, and all he has to work with is various artifacts he constructed. It seems to me that a being of such power as the Iceborn would likely be able to maintain control on their own. I don't know exactly how the Black Mist works in how it resurrects its victims, but I would guess that in the end the Darkin would probably have supreme command, since to my understanding a Darkin possession basically erases the original personality/intelligence commanding the body and inserts the Darkin, like how Rhaast did to Kayn . I'm not entirely certain, but based on how those forces have interacted with other champions, that seems to be the most likely.

You are forgetting that if everything that the OP says happens, the darkin would be dead... and if the darkin dies, he loses the control over the body (as the Shadow Assasin shows us)

And since the darkin would be dead, he would be controlled by the Black mist as well.

But lets say that the Darkin tries to take over the host after the host was controled by the Mist: Then you have to consider something important... It seems that the Darkins need a body with blood in their veins to controle it, but undeads do not need for blood, so, the darkin would die of "starvation" anyways.

Quality ContentDec 29, 20171 votes

I'm more curious about what would happen just between a void creature and a darkin weapon. Seeing as there are humans like Kayn who can resist a darkin I have to wonder if a more powerful force like the void would overtake a darkin completely. And if so, what kind of power would a void creature gain from that? Or if it were the other way around and the darkin took control of void flesh what kind of power would they gain? Or, could the two work in conjunction to serve a common goal in killing humans?