@Riot: If Someone is Possessed by all of the "Evil" Forces.. What Happens?

SSmotzer·12/28/2017, 2:22:01 PM·10 votes·4,464 views

So a Black Ice IceborneLissandra, corrupted by the VoidVelkoz, reanimated by the Black MistHecarim, who is also wielding a DarkinAatrox.... who does this person belong to?

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RiotBioluminescence12/29/2017, 12:41:23 AM11 votes

I'm not speaking in an official capacity (sorry!) but if it's alright, I'd like to theorize about this too :D

So let's imagine that this poor sod is affected by these things in the order that SSmotzer talks about them - so an entity is:

  1. Originally Iceborn
  2. Who is then corrupted by the Void,
  3. Then taken by the Black Mist,
  4. And finally takes up a Darkin weapon.

First off - sucks to be them.


Iceborn -> Void

I'm less familiar with Black Ice, so I'm going to start with 'standard' Iceborn. Sorry! I don't think there's any problem with the idea that an Iceborn could be affected by the Void - being Iceborn doesn't (from what I know) confer any resistance towards the Void, except that it'd be harder for the Void to actually make contact, with Iceborn being so strong and generally very tough.

Unfortunately, unless they are able to stave off the corrupting influence of the Void on a semi-permanent basis (like Kassadin or...) then total overwhelming Void corruption would result in the entity being remade by the Void. Hard to say how much of the original Iceborn's identity would remain, but physically the entity would likely be incredibly tough, possibly larger than it originally was (depending) and most likely fixated on the continued success of the Void.


Void -> Black Mist

So we've got a mostly Void-creature at this point. Probably humanoid-ish with unnatural strength and toughness. In comes the Mist.

Most of what we've seen of the Black Mist shows us Harrowing entities bringing the dead back to a twisted, broken, form of 'life' - but that's where we encounter our first issue. According to Diana's color story, and the promo for Rek'Sai, Void creatures that are killed don't leave a corpse for very long - they near immediately dissolve.

Hrm. Bit of a show-stopper there.

But that's no fun so let's propose our Void creature is subjected to a slow, debilitating, version of the Mists then. Now, tricky bit - if the Black Mists draw out the spirit of the entity - does a Void creature have a spirit? In-game Thresh would say yes, as he shoves them in his lantern like they were candy, but in-universe, that's a tricky question.

At this point, for the sake of more fun, let's say that yes they do - if only so we can get to the end of the thought experiment!

Spirits from the Harrowing are generally a mix of corporeal and non-corporeal - able to become more of one than the other. Their form is usually the one that they had in life, more or less (hi, Hecarim, you weirdo) but their eyes glow with an unnatural lambent fire and their skin is translucent and blue-green. Our Harrowing-Void creature would likely have the same glowing eyes, a mostly humanoid form, and with a bit of creative liscence, its harder/thicker carapace like the armor on Hecarim or Kalista, and the lighter/thinner carapace being the translucent form.

However! Entities from the Black Mist are (I believe) usually driven by something - or they are mindless and exist in thrall to another, stronger, Harrowing entity. The mindless ones we read about in Maokai's color story seem to exist with a drive to snuff out life where-ever they find it, while Kalista exists to take vengeance on behalf of the betrayed. I contend that our Void entity might not have a strong enough will to be self-driven - and would instead go wherever the 'will' of the greater Black Mist itself would take it. (It's possible that the mind of the original Iceborn could be strong enough to persist in some twisted form all the way down to this point, but man - what a will it would have had to have had!).

For those having trouble keeping track of my rambling - our entity is a slightly oversized Harrowing version of an incredibly strong, tough, Void entity. Mostly humanoid with glowing eyes, solid armored carapace sections, and is driven by the will of the Mists as a whole.


Black Mist -> Darkin

But there, lying on the ground, is a weapon bound with a Darkin. So what happens? Hrm, tricky. Reeeeally tricky. Imagine the Harrowing-Void-Iceborn creature sees it as a form of life, and approaches it in its mindless attempt to snuff out life. It becomes corporeal enough to reach out and touch it... but what happens? We saw from Varus that the Darkin takes the body or bodies that it has available to it, and if it can overcome the will of the wielder, will remold their physical form to closer serve the Darkin within.

But does an entity from the Mists have a physical form?

I think we might be stretching it a bit far now. Is a Harrowing creature, when corporeal, a physical creature? Does it have 'flesh' that a Darkin could control?


I give up!

At this point, I have to throw up my arms in defeat. I don't know!
By this point, we've needed to 'excuse' a few things -

  • A Void creature that is able to be taken by the Mists without its corpse dissolving
  • The deep philosophical quandary of whether or not Void entities have 'spirits' that the Harrowing could act on

and now:

  • Do entities from the Black Mists have 'flesh' that a Darkin weapon would be able to act upon?

It all feels like trying to min-max a super crazy D&D character - with half-dragon vampire gnomes and the like :)

GreenLore12/28/2017, 3:51:26 PM3 votes

In general we don't even know if the black ice can corrupt humans. It could corrupt Anivia,but thats just because Anivia is made of ice herself.

Anyway I'd say that while they are alive,the void or the darkin would take over the host(or the darkin would take over and then get corrupted by the void themselves),though the black mist would likely be the one to overtake them in the end,because even a void creature or a darkin can die,so the black mist should be able to reanimate and control them.

HonestJohnTheCon12/28/2017, 3:46:33 PM2 votes

I'm not sure. I do know that Black Mist > Void in this case, because I believe a Rioter mentioned that Void creatures can succumb to the Black Mist of the Isles.

Ebonmaw Dragon12/28/2017, 8:39:17 PM1 votes

Im not sure if the Black Ice or the Watchers can corrupt people, but as almost everyone pointed out, The Black Mist would take control at the end since the darkin and the void are "living beings".

In terms of control, the thing would be like this:

Black Mist > Void > Darkin > host

MrSpaceWolf12/28/2017, 10:40:28 PM1 votes

It seems like they'd be controlled by whatever Darkin weapon they were wielding. If they started as an Iceborn but were corrupted by the Void, they'd very likely retain at least most of their initial mind and personality. KassadinKassadin has continued to manage it for most of his lore, and all he has to work with is various artifacts he constructed. It seems to me that a being of such power as the Iceborn would likely be able to maintain control on their own. I don't know exactly how the Black Mist works in how it resurrects its victims, but I would guess that in the end the Darkin would probably have supreme command, since to my understanding a Darkin possession basically erases the original personality/intelligence commanding the body and inserts the Darkin, like how Rhaast did to KaynKayn . I'm not entirely certain, but based on how those forces have interacted with other champions, that seems to be the most likely.

Quality Content12/29/2017, 7:43:32 AM1 votes

I'm more curious about what would happen just between a void creature and a darkin weapon. Seeing as there are humans like Kayn who can resist a darkin I have to wonder if a more powerful force like the void would overtake a darkin completely. And if so, what kind of power would a void creature gain from that? Or if it were the other way around and the darkin took control of void flesh what kind of power would they gain? Or, could the two work in conjunction to serve a common goal in killing humans?

WestTiger12/29/2017, 10:03:35 AM1 votes

You forgot to include some sort of pact or general messiness with a demon like TahmKench or Evelynn .

Hextech OwI12/28/2017, 3:40:05 PM1 votes

In all cases, the person is empowered by the void and corrupted by the Black Ice (so turned evil, unless a Champion/Legendary skin corrupted by the Black Ice comes out and is not evil). The person is also empowered by the Dark Mist but is not obligatory controled by it (Example: Yorick). Finally, the Darkin may or may not take over the person (Example: Kayn).

Also Lissandra isn't an Iceborn. She is only corrupted by the Black Ice.

Edit: My bad, I mixed Iceborn and Watchers.

COBRA C0MM4NDER12/29/2017, 2:26:10 PM1 votes

I'd say Ionia. that much darkness would somehow balance itself out...if it did actually occur.

redniwediS12/28/2017, 5:00:12 PM1 votes

In The Lost Tales of Ornn, particularly the story of The Troll and The Ram Door, Ornn comes in contact with a shard of True Ice, which is used by a troll. It seems that non-ice entities are completely uneffected by it. Also the Ram Door mentioned later becomes Braum's shield, and was corrupted by Lissandra.

I think it's definitely wrong to think that true ice can corrupt non-ice entities, but that's not to say a non-ice entity cannot take it's power on willingly.

Sancre12/28/2017, 7:16:01 PM1 votes

It belongs to the masses that will claim its too edgy, overloaded, and that Riot should fire the edgelords that made such champion

It will be a bloodbath