Why Riot constantly struggles with Viktor

ModCaptainMårvelous··6 votes·1,339 views
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So, yeah, people aren't thrilled about Viktor's new lore gleamed from the Jayce bio, which is understandable. However, Viktor's problems echo a much deeper and more dire issue with league: The lack of villains.

League, as it stands, has around 133 champions. Of those, I'd argue at least 75-80% are heroic, relateable or redeemable in some way. Even champions who did heinous crimes like Camille have a moral compass more aligning with neutral/grey morality than pure evil. Yes, the methods are despicable, but it's for "the greater good".

Now, moving to Viktor, Viktor is a champion who was a product of his environment. He had problems, he wasn't good...but he wasn't evil. He took the problems he saw and pushed to fix them. In my own headcanon, Viktor is a tragic figure who makes increasing amoral decisions, albeit he's not a man who will kidnap children and put them in brain jars like the fuckos from Metal Gear Rising: Revengence. I always saw Viktor as a man who saw the worst in humanity and strived to fix it, albeit with a method that's only two steps from evil.

As you can understand, it's hard to defend Viktor when his method involves a warehouse full of corpses and putting brains in jars.

I understand League needs more morally reprehensible villains. It needs people like Jhin or Aatrox with next-to-no redeeming qualities who are all vying to be the biggest bastard of the bastard bunch. But Viktor is not one of those guys. He's morally questionable, yes, but he's not outright evil. The way he was described in Jayce's story makes me think he's more along the lines of mecha-hitler than any sort of misunderstood and scarred person.

By the same token, I don't mind Jayce becoming more of an asshole. Sure, it echos Tony Stark hardcore but I'll take an asshole "Hero" over a Superman beacon of truth justice and the Piltover way. What I -do- mind is that Jayce is given redeeming qualities. He strives to be better. Viktor, conversely, gets nothing in Jayce's lore. Maybe this was deliberate but all it does is show us that Jayce is a man who will learn from his mistakes (LIKE A SCIENTIST) while Viktor is a man who will repeat errors and only listen to himself (LIKE A BASTARD)

#But this can be salvaged.

Unlike what many others are saying, I -do- know that RIot can work with what Viktor has now. However, there have to be some major strides taken to help Viktor in this category:

  • Viktor needs to tell his side of the story. We need to understand his personal strife and what brought him to this point.
  • We need less evil, more misunderstood. Viktor needs to be shown acting because of what has happened to him, not because he believes he's completely in the right.
  • Viktor needs to learn from what happened. Hell, if his story ends with him completely ignoring Jayce because Viktor realized he screwed up, that'd be a wonderful twist. Now Jayce is hyper-paranoid while Viktor doesn't even concern himself with Jayce.
  • Show Viktor's struggles with his own humanity and to show that there IS a person beneath all that machinery, however muted and torn.

Viktor isn't dead. Riot can fix this. But there is a LOT of work that must be done on Viktor's end to make him more sympathic instead of Viktor Von Doom 2.0

23 Comments

Ralanr4 votes

I just realized that even Sion has redeeming qualities. League really does lack villains.

I like your idea about Viktor completely ignoring Jayce when something goes wrong. Yeah think it would be very fitting. But judging by Jayce's color text, Viktor sends people to attack Jayce on a regular basis.

I want Viktor to be grey, a dark grey but grey nonetheless. We really need to see his side of the story.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Sion's a bloody hero. He just got resurrected when he shouldn't have.

Ralanr3 votes

But even his undead form has some redeeming qualities in how he's confused and even disgusted with what he's become in his few moments of clarity.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

I swear to fuck if they turned Viktor into Rita Repulsa sending a Monster-of-the-Week at Jayce...

Ralanr3 votes

Viktor: I'll get you next ti-Dear God, what am I doing with my life?!

LostFr0st2 votes

The "kill him" was right after Jayce apologized so Victor was probably thinking "the friend I once knew is already dead."

I also think there's a good chance the zaunites that attacked Jayce in the colour text weren't sent by Victor. They gave off a Singed vibe to me.

Ralanr2 votes

Now that I think about it, chems and poisons are his specialty. I doubt Viktor would send half way robot thugs.

LostFr0st1 votes

Oh good, I'm glad someone else sees it.

I wonder if Victor's story will include him getting there after that attack, seeing Jayce injured and fixing the soldier, and just walking away.

Iwinatlife421 votes

That would be terrible for his character. If nothing else is shared both old and new Viktor are very pragmatic, so if he saw an opening he would take it.

LostFr0st1 votes

Well there's a flip side. Maybe Victor's Lab gets attacked too for the shards, except its by pilties with augmented weapons powered by the first gen of artificial crystals and he thinks Jayce did it via stealing his idea.

GreenLore1 votes

I think that Viktor might have send them in a fit of rage,though he might realize afterwards how pointless that was.

I mean we should keep in mind that this is Viktor before he became a cyborg,before he toned down his emotions,heck this whole fight with jayce might be one of the reasons why he decided to change himself in the first place.

LostFr0st1 votes

He did hit him over the head with the crystal... good to keep in mind for sure.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Clear villains arent fun or likable, I mean how many times did you like a movie villain that was purely evil? Never maybe? Purely bad characters from what I can recall from the top of my head are Jhin, Lissandra, Elise, Mordekaiser, Hecarim, Thresh, Ahri, Warwick, Singed, Morgana, Brand, Syndra, Malzahar, Evelynn, I would also put Camille, then there are the monstrous characters such as Void Creatures and things like Fiddle, Nocturne and Shaco. Now some of these dont have an updated lore, some dont have any backstory that could redeem them. Honestly there are plenty of "evil" characters, we dont have to make Viktor into another one. Problem is there are too many "hero" characters and not enough gray characters.

The Anagram King1 votes

Emperor Palpatine is pure evil, and he's loads of fun!

I think halfway evil characters are more fun not because of their alignment, but because being halfway evil means MORE character facets. You need them to justify said character's morals.

You don't need a bad guy to be complex, deep or particularly interesting. Often, a bad guy is just a foil for a good guy.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Dude Palpatine sucks balls. Only reason people used to like him back then is the "woow he shoots electricity, so cool". He would be really dull and forgetable otherwise honestly. Bad guys need some kind of "how he became bad" story rather than just I am evil hurrrr durrrr honestly.

Ralanr1 votes

I've never read it, but I think the main antagonist from Monster spits in the face of that philosophy.

Also Xykon from Order of the Stick.

Iwinatlife421 votes

I dunno Vlad Von Carstein in the Warhammer fantasy books Vampire wars is evil for evils sake and is introduced with him ripping someones heart of their chest and shoving them through a stained glass window. Makes a interesting character. Or Jorg from the Broken Empire trilogy who is Psycopathic man-child who is the most Pragmatic person on the face of the planet. His ends justify any means up to and including a tactical nuke. Or for a more popular example THE JOKER complete fucking lunatic kills people for fun and profit. One of the most well loved villains in fiction.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

Clear villians can be fun and likeable, at least IMO. Even if you argue you're doing it for the greater good, that doesn't make you a likeable or relateable character however. The one that comes from the top of my head is Kira from Diamond is Unbreakable. The dude is a serial killer and as reprehensible as they come yet he only wants to live a quiet and peaceful life. It doesn't redeem him or make him likeable in the slightest but he is still a completely villainous figure with his own motives.

The issue is with a clear villain is that you have to make them feel like a real character. Most clear villains are "Why? Because I CAN!" and that certainly isn't fun at all.

All said, I agree with you that there are too many heroes in League, even if you count some questionable characters like Darius, Swain, Jinx, Dr.Mundo, etc.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

I think that the real reason of why Riot constantly struggles with Viktor its because of Jayce and the release order of the champions.

When Viktor was released, Blitzcrank and Urgot existed... and Blitzcrank was one of the most likeable characters in the lore. Due that and his tragic lore, Viktor was perceived as a "good guy" or "not so bad guy"... or something like that.

But then... Jayce came out.

Many champions have rivals with other champions in the game, or other characters in the lore... but their lores are not _centered _arround being "the rival of that other guy". And for me, Jayce is that kind of champion... 90% of his lore is focused arround being the Rival of Viktor, the only special thing about him is that he is "that guy who fought against Viktor and became a hero because reasons"

GreenLore1 votes

Overall I have the feeling that in the early days of LoL,Riot created a lot of "villains" who were supposed to be evil characters with sympathetic backstories,where they failed to give us a lore piece that really showed us tha they are villains(likely because their lore only focused on their backstories and not what they do now),they possibly assumed that their villainous-looking designs and personalities would cause others to see them as villains.

I mean Viktors portrayal in Jayces original lore(which was really bad on several levels) shows that Riot did think of Viktor as an evil scientist(and he was likely intended to be one when he was created). Similarly Xerath Syndra Diana Morgana were likely all intended to be evil champs with a sympathetic backstory,but their lores kinda failed to show the evil sides of the champs

And now Riot has to think about what they want to do with these characters,if they should make them flat out villains,who might have sympathetic backstories,but are still evil(this seems to be their approach to Xerath),or if they want to be more morally grey characters.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Overall I have the feeling that in the early days of LoL,Riot created a lot of "villains" who were supposed to be evil characters with sympathetic backstories,where they failed to give us a lore piece that really showed us tha they are villains(likely because their lore only focused on their backstories and not what they do now),they possibly assumed that their villainous-looking designs and personalities would cause others to see them as villains.

I mean Viktors portrayal in Jayces original lore(which was really bad on several levels) shows that Riot did think of Viktor as an evil scientist(and he was likely intended to be one when he was created). Similarly Xerath Syndra Diana Morgana were likely all intended to be evil champs with a sympathetic backstory,but their lores kinda failed to show the evil sides of the champs

And now Riot has to think about what they want to do with these characters,if they should make them flat out villains,who might have sympathetic backstories,but are still evil(this seems to be their approach to Xerath),or if they want to be more morally grey characters.

I dont think that Xerath was supposed to be a villain in his first lore, sure, he destroyed Shurima... But it was an accident and he didnt wanted revenge against the ones that jailed him. He even helped the summoners and the league willingly... Unlike Renekton or Brand.

But i see your point, Veigar is a clear example of that (Except that there are no doubts about him being evil because its in his title)

GreenLore1 votes

Well they did mention Xeraths disregard for human life in his lore and he outright lied to the Summoners in his league judgement,concealing his true intentions,which is why I think he was supposed to be a villain(and well the people who imprisoned him were already dead,so there was no way he could get his revenge anyway)

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Well they did mention Xeraths disregard for human life in his lore and he outright lied to the Summoners in his league judgement,concealing his true intentions,which is why I think he was supposed to be a villain(and well the people who imprisoned him were already dead,so there was no way he could get his revenge anyway)

Good point, i forgot about that part of the lie.

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