@riot how different would the ionian invasion have been if Swain would have been assisting?

Oakleaf Ranger·Apr 7, 2017·4 votes·2,380 views

Anyone else wonder how different the invasion would have been if Swain had been there to help?

17 Comments

RiotRiotJaredanApr 8, 201711 votes

He wasn't there? Hm.

ModAcademy KaynApr 8, 201711 votes

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Malicious MetalApr 8, 20175 votes

He was there, right? Just not as the swain we know, huh?

RalanrApr 8, 20171 votes

War can do a lot of things to a man.

KoriosApr 9, 20171 votes

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Malicious MetalApr 9, 20172 votes

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KoriosApr 9, 20171 votes

OverpoweredSoapApr 8, 20171 votes

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He wasn't there? Hm.

Plz protect our Ionian children.

They have done nothing wrong.

Let them meditate in peace.

Oakleaf RangerApr 8, 20171 votes

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HalcyonDwellerApr 7, 20171 votes

Context please? Is there a link to stories about the Ionian Invasion that you could share?

Oakleaf RangerApr 7, 20171 votes

There aren't many, but was it becoming a slow but obvious victory for noxus until Ionia joined the league to force Noxus to stop their invasion. Which is why I'm asking for a response from rito how different it would have been had he participated in the invasion.

Whyte LyonApr 8, 20172 votes

Ugh... So that whole scenario of Noxus and Ionia battling it out on the Rift isn't canon anymore, it was all discontinued three years ago. So it doesn't matter what would have occurred had Swain been involved in the fight or not.

But if i was to indulge in the hypothetical, i'd say his improvement would have made no difference to the outcome. Since the League nullified the powers of champs to be equal. So Swain's magic wouldn't have tipped the scales in Noxus favor like what your implying.

Oakleaf RangerApr 8, 20171 votes

Well that is why I was throwing it out at Rito since they may have an answer, if it isn't canon anymore. I never heard of the league nullifying the powers of all to be equal? While Swain's magical abilities are powerful, the most important aspect he would have brought to the table is his strategic capabilities, aka his ability at being a general and leader. As someone who became in charge of Noxus, it is quite possible he would have been able to potentially make a huge difference had he been there. I personally think he could have been the difference between what appeared to be slow but eventual victory, To an outright crushing one. Though I would like to get an opinion from rito for something more concrete.

To be clear, I'm not talking of the battle held on rift between Noxus and Ionia.

Whyte LyonApr 8, 20171 votes

Well that is why I was throwing it out at Rito since they may have an answer, if it isn't canon anymore.

True that it never hurts to try but no I doubt Riot would respond to your question since both Ionia/ the invasion and Swain's update wont likely be seen for some time to come yet. I do not doubt that Riot know more themselves but for now it's definitely a bit hush, hush on their end. _ (Likely Sharjo has something within his mythical archive he maintains)_

Also I personally don't try to address my threads @Riot as 95% of the time the community will be answering your lore related queries anyway. But if a Dev does happen to respond then all the better!

As someone who became in charge of Noxus, it is quite possible he would have been able to potentially make a huge difference had he been there. I personally think he could have been the difference between what appeared to be slow but eventual victory, To an outright crushing one.

Yes! ... well maybe. Because Swain wasn't Grand General of Noxus when the Invasion started that means he was likely some sort of high ranking official (I would prefer 'war adviser' but that's my head canon). Which could mean Swain's skills were required over in Ionia but it's too hard to assume he was since anything is possible with his eventual VGU/LU. It's like trying to guess how Warwick's LU would progress his and Soraka's relationship prior to the rework, as every theory other then "no relation" would have been wrong.

Oakleaf RangerApr 8, 20171 votes

He wasn't the grand general or leader at the time but he was already a high ranking officer at that point. He would have had a decent number of troops under his command. At least enough to make significant difference had he gone IMO. He didn't get to go because the people above him in command had begun to see the threat he was beginning to pose to their positions in Noxus. Letting Swain go to Ionia would made his position among Noxus grow even faster, unless by some chance he died the invasion however low that is.

Blue Moon WolfApr 8, 20171 votes

My guess would be that they might rewrite what happens during the invasion of Ionia. After looking at the Ionian universe page, it looks like they took Ionia back to when Noxus had them occupied, but before they got their freedom. If this is the case then Swain may have been retconned to planned the invasion himself cause he learned of the Vastaya and wanted to harness their power for himself. He would have likely then captured a few and did experiments on them so he could gain their powers, thus Rakans interaction with him. As to why Noxus would want their powers, it could be that the magic in them works differently then the kind of magic that is used by the rest of the world and is somehow immune to the anti-magic effects of petricite, making Ionia very valuable to Noxus in their fight against Demacia. Otherwise Galio would pretty much be able to kill a Vastayan just by being near them and absorbing the magic in them, making Swain a bit silly to put in charge of fighting an entire country that prides themselves in anti-magic. But of course all that is just theory right now :p

Oakleaf RangerApr 8, 20172 votes

Well Rakan did say given, as if implying he was born or given the power/blood of vastaya. So if they do retconn him to be involved this time, I would doubt that is the reason.