Riot, Star Guardian Poppy should have some blue effects.

Ralanr·Sep 20, 2016·126 votes·21,981 views

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csvtx7xUkAA3cjJ.jpg

In her splash art we see her star buckler is blue. Yet in game when thrown it is yellow.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4A4P3O0uQuI

Sure there is a tiny blue comet trail, but I feel that it isn't matching with the splash art.

As for her other abilities, people argue that because she's melee you can't change the looks of her abilities that much without confusion. Would changing her W to have more of a blueish tinge really effect the clarity that it's being activated? Or making her E blue so it more accurately fits with her being the blue shooting star? I can understand not changing the colors of the Q because that has a delay (though does Taric's stun color change with his skins? I know Ekko's W does).

Was Poppy's the last skin to be made? Would that explain the lack of blue in her abilities?

72 Comments

RiotRiot Ve1vetSep 20, 2016107 votes

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

RalanrSep 20, 201626 votes

Thank you. I hope what happens from this works out for everyone.

RiotRiot Ve1vetSep 22, 20169 votes

Changes should now be on PBE, as always thank you for the feedback :)

RalanrSep 22, 20161 votes

I saw. Very nice! Is the star in her Q new because I didn't notice that before. The blue/purple really works out!

OleandervineSep 22, 20161 votes

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I saw. Very nice! Is the star in her Q new because I didn't notice that before. The blue/purple really works out!

The Star is not new. In fact, she had stars in every particle effect she has. Stars pop up when she smashes with Q, and in the very middle of the field. Stars are faintly visible in W and appear when an enemy jumps into it. Stars pop up when she slams someone against a wall with E. And then the pillars in R are stars. Always been there.

RalanrSep 22, 20161 votes

Well I guess the blue color made it more noticeable.

patmax17Sep 23, 20161 votes

definitely! :)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LZzAbr7fTWk/V-RO8iI832I/AAAAAAAAU_Y/Vjr-1meHJYIL38N8iyQvxJB6nxWA9MHnACLcB/s1600/compare2.jpg

The Arctic OtterSep 22, 20164 votes

This is soooooo much better!!!!!!!! THANK YOU for listening and responding so promptly. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

HellioningSep 22, 20161 votes

Okay, thank you. Now I will feel less bad about buying all of the Star Guardian skins.

fluffylagSep 23, 20161 votes

Yesss thank you! I will actually be buying this skin now that it matches the style of all of the other skins!

Kitty PixSep 20, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Ve1vet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1JdTxPv8,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-20T18:37:46.661+0000)

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY. Thank you so much, I love seeing Rioters commenting in one manner or another but this is definitely not disappointing. I'm definitely gonna have some pretty big heart eyes for that shiny blue star shield!

MrWasjigSep 20, 201614 votes

At least one department listens to feedback...

Zenthon PrimeSep 20, 201613 votes

Yep, the skins team is one of the best at Riot. I think the only thing I've seen come out without sufficient edits were certain splash updates during the region unification.

DrugothSep 20, 20167 votes

To be fair though skins and art are a lot easier to give constructive criticism for than things like balance. You're comparing apples to oranges here and that's not fair to the balance team.

Zenthon PrimeSep 21, 20162 votes

And yet even with apples and oranges, you can tell which batch is completely ripe and which one has a few rotten fruits thrown in.

DrugothSep 21, 20166 votes

Man, anonymity makes people very cruel... Feelsbadman.

Spaceman5pffSep 21, 20166 votes

Big difference is that Balancing the game is not about pleasing the community, but rather an objective "science" if you will that the boards by and large know jack shit about.

The art team has the SOLE purpose of pleasing the community within the bounds of their rules and themes.

Sure you might say this is apples to oranges, but a brown bananna, which you might see as rotten and useless, makes some mean bananna bread and I think you forgot that, friend.

MrWasjigSep 21, 20163 votes

Oh so that makes the balance team exempt from criticism does it? Just because we can't compare them to the skins department?

Besides, ignoring the usual misinformed garbage, there have been many many cases of good balance feedback, and rework ideas posted on the boards...heck not even just balance stuff, pretty much everything you can think of. So when you say, we're not being fair to the balance team, you mean you don't want us to criticise them? Sorry, but that is out of the question.

I'd be saying the same thing about the skins team if it were the other way around I assure you.

King EmpressSep 21, 20161 votes

So with all these new star guardian skins flying out of base due to homegaurd, will Lux's star guardian skin get an updated animation for that? It seems a little unfair if they get it and she doesn't I mean she had it first XD. Plus who wouldn't love a 5 girl team leave the base like shooting stars lol.

King EmpressSep 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Ve1vet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1JdTxPv8,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-20T18:37:46.661+0000)

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

RobronoSep 21, 20162 votes

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So with all these new star guardian skins flying out of base due to homegaurd, will Lux's star guardian skin get an updated animation for that? It seems a little unfair if they get it and she doesn't I mean she had it first XD. Plus who wouldn't love a 5 girl team leave the base like shooting stars lol.

yeah she is, it looks freaking great too!

King EmpressSep 21, 20161 votes

Yayayayayay

RobronoSep 21, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Ve1vet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1JdTxPv8,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-20T18:37:46.661+0000)

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

Huh, someone at riot actually took player feedback? Thought i would never see the day. (but really, it never feels like anything on the boards gets any attention asside from bugs, and some support ticket like stuff)

The EcdysiastSep 21, 20161 votes

Can you get us word from someone who can actually make this happen? No offense to the QA interns.

RiotRiot Ve1vetSep 21, 20168 votes

I'm actually a producer on the skins team, that title is out of date :P

The EcdysiastSep 21, 20164 votes

Well then, my apologies.

They should really update those.

But I agree with the OP that the skin should have a blue buckler effect...

Or at least change the splash so that it's gold and not misleading. Though I've always though there should be an image of the model+animations on a skin's splash for clarity.

The EcdysiastSep 23, 20161 votes

Well, I see it's happening.

I don't know how much influence you had on the decision, but you are now my favorite Rioter.

Cerulean LaserSep 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Ve1vet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1JdTxPv8,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-20T18:37:46.661+0000)

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

Thanks, I'm glad other people feel the same way I do about this.

AkaIihoIicSep 21, 20162 votes

Yes please! I plan to buy it but it feels so less cool compared to the other Star Guardians full color abiities... Shining blue will make the difference!

Regards.

King EmpressSep 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Ve1vet,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1JdTxPv8,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-20T18:37:46.661+0000)

Hey! I think the reason we never really caught onto this is because Poppy in-game is 75% gold hammer, so the VFX never felt off. Looking at the splash and how blue it is we understand the disconnect and are looking into it. We have heard the feedback!

By any chance can you give SG Jinx her black and white wings on her passive. And make them flap a couple times for the duration. I made a thread on it I hope it's considerable cuz that'd be awesome and definitely be throwing my money at that :)

Sexy Jack RabbitSep 21, 20162 votes

I feel like the issue is not really acknowledging that Poppy is the character and not the hammer, as well as jusy balant laziness from time to time. Poppy's hammer is a large part of her character true, but it is not what people love about her. Connecting her entire thematic off of the hammer was the mistake when making the skin. The VFX never felt off in regards to the hammer, but to the actual character that everyone loves, the disconnect was very clear. I can't see the VFX team going through the whole process thinking "her hair is blue, her colour theme is blue, her splash art is going to be overwhelmingly blue... better make all of her abilites gold." Unless of course gold was just used because it was already there and their job half done, "just add a star to her classic "they thought Doing this in the future is always going to cause Issues. Lollipoppy, as much as everyone loves the meme, would have been better as a skin, then as joke, had they gone the extra mile to add something to it.

NeameanSep 21, 20161 votes

It might take a lot more effort but maybe give her a familiar too. It could be a shapeshifter that transform into her hammer only untransform when she ult and recall.

AbysawSep 22, 20162 votes

Thank you so much! I have been hearing from people all over the community how Poppy's skin is the most lackluster of the bunch, and this saddens me a lot since I am a Poppy main and I was so very anxious for her skin! I dont really understand how making her particles more blue would interfere with game clarity since almost all skins of that tier change even more things ( for example Zac's skins changing his pieces scattered around the map or bard's changing his heals, jhins traps etc..) and even stuff with much greater impact than her buckler on the ground or a more bluish tinge in her W and Q or even her ulti. I really really hope we can get these changes going it would be a great proof of Riot being open for feedback

Sexy Jack RabbitSep 20, 201615 votes

Honestly the argument that making the W be blue would cause clarity issues is false. Super Galaxy Shyvanna features a VERY dark blue on her W, and yet the particles show up perfectly fine on the skin. There is nothing stopping them from making Poppy's abilities closer to blue. The E should 100% resemble a shooting star imo. Poppy actually has A LOT of particles to work with in regards to her skins, it is just that some are quite brief, but are still noticed. Poppy's skin feels VERY lackluster in regards to the others, especially considering all of the other skins (Minus Lux but hers doesn't count), have some sort of Companion that is 100% new animation and model. Hers being made last, and as a result being made sub-par in regards to the other wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Elite4RunnerSep 20, 201613 votes

I agree, I feel like the 'hint' of blue is incredibly light. I'd like to see them turn it up a lot. The vibrant blue in her splash is really what makes me interested in getting it. I am okay with there being gold since she does have quite a bit of gold on her model, but I almost feel like simply because it is gold by default, it should have been changed to blue, just to make it feel even more special.

RlP K0BESep 20, 201610 votes

Even though I like Poppy's Star Guardian skin the most I totally agree. Adding more blue to her skill effects would make the skin absolutely perfect. Hopefully a Rioter sees this

CarameI FrappeSep 20, 20168 votes

Agreed. Please make her abilities match the color of her splash.

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

CrimsonCobra3Sep 20, 20167 votes

I agree. They should hotfix that.

KoguraqSep 20, 20167 votes

Agreed. All the poppy skins effects are basically the same gold color, and having this skin with that is a little disappointing

AngariaSep 20, 20163 votes

I agree, and also think they should give her a familiar like the other skins. But that's just me.

RalanrSep 20, 20164 votes

Her hammer is her familiar.

Warlord ZudaneSep 20, 20163 votes

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/drhorrible/images/5/50/Captain_Hammer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080731175820

Crimson CupcakeSep 20, 20162 votes

I actually feel like they thought about it. If you think about it, her buckler is kind of like her familiar, and in that line of thought, they could have made it into a cute, cuddly, tiny creature. It would have been adorable. But get this: you have to throw this cute creature at enemies. Sure, if you kill the unit it would come back to you as a sparkly shield, fine. But if you don't it flops and bounces to the ground, hurt, helpless and you have to go pick it up and have it die in your arms essentially. #feelsbadman

AngariaSep 20, 20162 votes

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I actually feel like they thought about it. If you think about it, her buckler is kind of like her familiar, and in that line of thought, they could have made it into a cute, cuddly, tiny creature. It would have been adorable. But get this: you have to throw this cute creature at enemies. Sure, if you kill the unit it would come back to you as a sparkly shield, fine. But if you don't it flops and bounces to the ground, hurt, helpless and you have to go pick it up and have it die in your arms essentially. #feelsbadman

You're giving me Dragon Trainer Trist flashbacks. :(

Crimson CupcakeSep 20, 20162 votes

I know right? Q.Q

My Waifu VanillaSep 20, 20162 votes

Janna throws hers at people for her W and it doesn't really come back (until W comes off cd).

Crimson CupcakeSep 20, 20161 votes

The difference there is that it doesn't feel bad though. Janna has always thrown a magical something at the enemy. In her case since she's always done it and you don't see whatever said object is get hurt, you don't feel sad. It just disappears for a while and comes back. For Poppy, it would need to follow the same pattern her buckler does, which includes hitting the ground and staying still. I would be glad to be proven wrong, but my current opinion is that there isn't really a way to make doing that feel good.