This is Sigil, the biggest chance of a community project becoming real that I'm making a thread about it because the creators haven't. As far as I can tell, the only thing that Riot needs to do is code him in and add movement.
http://sigil.lol/meet-the-champion.html
https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/549066794.jpg?mw=1920&mh=1080&q=70
I'll let the work speak for itself.
ModCaptainMårvelous43 votesOh there's a lot of shit riot needs to do.
Fix his kit which is honestly a mess. Get VO work done. etc etc etc.
It's incredibly well done but to look at it and go "JUST CODE IT ITS FINE" is a far cry. Amazing work but I'd hardly say this is a complete project.
FancyKiddo2 votesYeah, a textured game-ready base mesh does not a complete champion make.
Don't forget that the release skin needs to be made (it's conspicuously absent in favor of chromas in the model viewer) and the whole thing is completely unanimated.
And, on top of that, even "just code it" makes the coding sound so much easier than it actually is...
Carpe Victoria7 votes{quoted} It's incredibly well done but to look at it and go "JUST CODE IT ITS FINE" is a far cry. Amazing work but I'd hardly say this is a complete project.
Yea that's a pretty absurd statement. More like huge kudos to the team and i hope it does well on their resumes. Just because something is done 100x better than the average fans doesn't mean you can just plop it in game.
The concept doesn't personally resonate with me either but i guess that's personal opinion. There's also some sub par writing going on. Sorry, not sorry. Maybe it wasn't designed in english. I dont know- but there are some very weird sentences...not just in grammar.
Nikushimi Zero27 votesDefinitely impressive work. With the models and everything else. Wish I had the skills to do all that.
I do think it is quite a bit presumptuous and rude to say it is the FIRST champion to have any chance. That's quite rude to all the others who have worked hard on their champions.
Whether champions have a chance or not none should ever be looked down upon like that.
Still, +1 to those who created him.
Rew7119 votesIDK... there are still things in the kit and lore that confuse me. Though his abilities seem to be straight forward, there are gaps as to what they do (even without saying the damage). His passive doesn't explain how to collect fireflies, and even if its like Thresh, there is no hint as to a limit or if it is infinite. There is also no hint as to if Sigil uses mana or not. Sigil's kit is also geared more for a Assassin when you compare his kit to other champs... Xerath, Ahri, and Malzahar are Mages with secondaries as Assassin and all use spells at more of a range (yet are also able to assassinate with tons of burst). His kit seems to be almost purely made for assassination... I'm just trying to point this out so that they might change the Primary to Assassin. I understand why (though) they would do this, and it has something to do with his Q.
His Q has a silence, but all other Assassins had their silences removed and only Malzahar as a Mage/Assassin kept his. Giving a silence to someone with this much mobility in their kit is going to be hard to overcome.
This mechanic in general confuses me. If Sigil uses his W to fling his staff to a location and then retracts it, his Q gets a silence if used after getting back his staff? But if he doesn't have the staff, he sends out a pulse? Can you control the direction of the Pulse? It also made me ponder why they would add a ability like his E into this...
His E sends him to his staff, but why can't that be his second us of his W? I'm not going to suggest a new ability, because I might just suggest something worse, but it kind of seems like a waste to have him throw his staff, not be able to attack, and for it to be his main way of doing much.
I will try though... BUT PLEASE DON"T HATE ME!! :'(
His passive could stay as is, as he can gain some sort of bonus magic damage by stacking Fireflies, but instead of losing his basic attacks, losing his staff means all but his W get a silence.
His Q (if he is going to be a Mage) needs to be able to deal damage to multiple enemies... meaning that although he must attack a selected enemy, his two slashes deal damage to those behind the target enemy. To be frank, Sigil deals two basic attacks real fast and deals bonus magic damage by sending out shockwaves past the target. If Sigil retrieves his staff, this ability will gain a silence for the next 2 seconds.
His W will have Sigil throw his staff to a select location dealing some damage and giving vision for a few seconds. If a enemy is able to break his staff, he must wait out a second before he gains another. Sigil has two other options from here: Sigil can either draw the staff back to himself (which will enhance his Q) or go to the staff to knock up enemies for 0.5 seconds. Both deal respective damage.
Sigil's E will be his Pulse (which will have two charges). Each burst of Pulse deals damage and knocks a enemy back (but no stuns).
Lastly, his R will still have Sigil ride on his staff gaining bonus MS based on the level and gives a boost to one of his abilities during that time. His Q now sends out 3 hits; his attack damage per hit is lowered to 80%. His W sends out a small whirlwind (that goes a short distance) with his staff in it. Sigil can then do as he would normally with his W allowed. His E boosts his speed (up to 3 tries) for him to hit a champion and deal damage. The enemy is knocked back.
I'm sorry...
SpecterVonBaren19 votesNot really worth, while the presentation is top notch, the actual kit for this champion isn't very good. His kit is more a bunch of random skills thrown together because of being cool than having a cohesive point to them. If he was the main character of a single player game then his kit could work but in League champions are supposed to be focused on either a theme for their character or a function that benefits their team.
Sigil is too much of a generalist with a shit ton of mobility, making him a champ that everyone would pick if his numbers were even just average. Tons of CC, infinite scaling, tons of mobility, good utility, they failed to give him any kind of weakness. I've seen a lot of better champion concepts on the board that were nothing but text, this champ is just really flashy with its presentation.
Keevalroy2 votesI wouldn't think he'd have no cooldowns like Yasuo or have outrageous scaling to go with the abilities. As a complete champion, it's probably not a good idea to release as is - it needs work, but as a concept I'd say he's at least decent.
Edit: Like his Q for example, it's overstuffed and doesn't need to silence, or how a graceful landing can do AoE damage despite being graceful. Maybe it shouldn't and act like the snowball from ARAM. I don't know, I just think it looks interesting.
SpecterVonBaren2 votesTrue, this isn't a completely unsalvageable thing here, I'm trying to point out to people that they're getting worked up over this because of its presentation when there's a lot of champion ideas out there that are far better and that they're letting the shiny wrapping paper dictate how they feel about it.
Splision17 votesEven if Sigil doesn't become a champ in league I still want the creators to get the attention that they deserve.
PePsiLemoNN16 votesIf someone disagrees with you he is not a ''downvote troll''
Sozan511 votesUhh...
You know that Riot have strict policy about using user-created content? I am quite sure that they already stated on multiple occassions that they will never use anything (be it champions, skins or even artwork) that wasn't created by them. However, they take suggestions from users from time to time, so don't lose hope.
Anyway, I really like the lore and the visuals of the champion. Skillset... Not so much.
Anihaku1 votesAhem............I would like to inform you that you are in fact mistaken in your previous statement. Although your comment is a good business practice in order to abstain from any copyright infringement.......
Please do me a favor and search "chiara b" and tell me this Is not where kindred was inspired from? O.o
Sozan56 votesWell, to be fair - Chiara Bautista seems to draw Rabbit + Wolf rather than lamb and wolf. And, importantly, both Rabbit + Wolf and Lamb + Wolf are both quite popular themes.
But yes, I do see some similarities, especially on the wolf. That said: it doesn't really have anything to do with what I said. Every asset of Kindred was created by Riot Games, it was simply inspired, at least partially, on Chiara B. and many other artists artwork.
Anihaku2 votesAll I am saying is that Riot DOES listen/look for inspiration for champions through other sources. It may not be exactly what we want/proposed but they do take a good idea when they see it. I see Kindred as a glowing example of this. Kindred is not entirely the same as depicted in those sketches from Chiara, but you can clearly tell that Riot drew inspiration from her drawings. I happen to like this and I hope that other great concepts (outside of Riot) are implemented.
On a side note, I really like the work what was done with Sigil. Great job to whoever worked on that concept.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesYou have no proof. Stop your plot theories. It's Riot's word against nobody's, because you CAN'T say "they ripped off that" since you CAN'T have an clue about whether they knew that or not.
Anihaku2 votesWe will never know what really happened during her creation, but its evident to me that Kindred was inspired by Chiara's drawings. I really don't care where the idea came from because I love the champion :D
Photos of Ghosts2 votesNo it's not evident. There's no evidence. It's not evident. It brings to mind. There's no proof, NOR SIGNIFICANT CLUE. Please think.
Anihaku1 votesI really don't understand why you are so aggressive about this? O.o
Was it that I used the word "evident?" If so, then try "obvious" instead.
Its obvious to me that Kindred was INSPIRED by Chiara's drawings. This is my opinion and you have yours.
Photos of Ghosts2 votesNo. NO. You can't relate "obvious" and "opinion". "obvious" means "this is a fact and you should feel dumb if you disagree". It's not obvious, it's just resembling and your criticless brain fell for it. Watch out: I'm not saying that there's any proof that it's not inspired from it, but you can't come to a conclusion. You just can't. It's intellectually dishonest.
Anihaku1 votesIt's obvious aka "easily perceived" in my opinion, which is what this is all about. You can call me names/flame/etc.... it will never change the fact that I have a different view on the subject than you. I still don't get why you are so disrespectful and adamant about something you no have proof of either.
At the end of the day.....these are BOTH opinions.
Starfish H1 voteshttp://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=883477This This is the thread where legendary skin Surpise Party Fiddlesticks ultimately got its creation. Riot credited them and even gave them the skin. Graves was heavily influenced when the community wanted a tough western looking champ. Idk if Riot still, does the Fiddle thing but they can take ideas and make it their own. They could also credit the person somehow.
Sozan54 votesThey can take ideas or suggestions (like that Fiddle, or Pool Party Ziggs if I recall correctly). However, they cannot take created assets, like models, lore or artwork.
That means that even if they would like to use the champion, they would have to remake all of those from scratch.
Tough Guy8 votesYou should be a little bit more polite in respects to the artist. Going out and telling people that they are, "A downvote troll" and no other concept stands a chance is insulting to those who disagree with your point of view or the artist's work.
Back to the topic however... I don't believe this skin will ever see the rift. Riot is very very selective and while the artist shows potential to work for Riot and their concept art team; concept art from the forums are extremely rare to come into light. Dunk-master Darius is a prime example and the only example. Originally it was just a skin concept, but Riot loved the idea to work on it YEARS later. Champions are a different story and a whole new ball game though. They require a lot of research and balancing to ensure they have a spot in the Rift.
PAPÓ ROMBOLÓJA5 votesOMG how can they mess up the showcase of such an amazing work AHHHH. In the skills section (on their website) the ultimates name is written wrong and also there's the last line, quote: His skills also change: AND THERE'S NOTHING AFTER THAT (IS THIS ONLY FOR ME IF YES PLS SEND ME THE REST) Also not a bad concept but I hate that because eweryone is so overwhelmed by the amazing job they done with the lore and model and ewerything that they forget to look at the skillset of the champ and really criticise that.
Penta Penguin5 votesI'm really sick of stacking champs and junglers that 'HAVE TO' clear camps
And is this page missing half of his kit or what? R says it changes his skills but nothing else is said about them
Your attitude is crap, too, have a "troll downvote"
A Liberal4 votesYeah... I mean I love the fact that he's SUPER well done, the website, model, so much effort put into it but... his kit is so... bad. Some of the text-only champion concepts here on the boards are better.
I would LOVE so see sigil, but I would want an entirely different kit.
FloRaider423 votesNot really my cup of tea, but the creators definetly deserve attention for this project
They put a lot of work into the artwork, model, lore and website.
I just wish they focused a bit more on gameplay
Drugoth3 votesThe amount of different fields that were covered by the creators of this is remarkable. They have a fully fleshed out champion page. The only things they're missing is model animations and ability preview videos. A musical score wouldn't hurt either. Then you'd have a fully fleshed champion right there.
Transgressor3 votesSo we are either blindly upvoting, or are labeled trolls?
But, what if we have an actual opinion on this? I guess those are not allowed then.
As far as I can tell, the only thing that Riot needs to do is code him in and add movement.
And then who gets credit and money? The creators or Riot? Because even the coding can be done by fellows interested and passionate enough; so passionate in fact that they'd actually do it for free. Riot's literally redundant. And then they get a served champion with the ability to monetize from it while the original creators get "the recognition they deserve"?
Haha, reminds me the treatment Graphic Designers get: "payed in exposure" ayy lmao.
Rigbum3 votesI dunno the ult just kind of seems randomly thrown it, it really doesn't make sense thematically or kit wise... otherwise he seems cool.
Photos of Ghosts3 votesEh. Full of grammar and spelling mistakes, pretty bad writing style. Cool visuals aren't the only important thing to be taken seriously.
FantasySniper3 votesThe passive isn't really a good idea at all, but the rest of his kit an' lore an' shit sounds amazing.
Decrit3 votesAlready said it in another post, so i repeat myself here.
This is a piece of work done by people that wanted to exercitate and show off their own skills. Said skills can go from graphic design, model design, coding, writing, collaboration ( yeah, the ability to collaborate is quite an important skill ) and, in my opinion, in that regard is done quite magnificently, professional level i dare say.
However, take it for what it is: this is not a champion, it is the presentation of a champion concept, which is very differently from anything we will ever see from Riot because it lacks the practical part - it will never be executed beyond this. The whole champion thing is just an excuse to work on the integration of different skills - many artists can do art, but not always they are good at doing art with a practical purpose.
The kit is obviously the worst part of it, but because it simply was not part of the skills that were meant to be shown with this project. This can be seen because next to the kit there are no credits, and when they show the development process they do not absolutely mention any kit proposal - os just something thrown here to show off what the champion is supposed to do, and is done in a such way that shames everything else sadly.
In my opinion the fact that they wanted to add an almost-filler kit is a far worse idea than adding a lacking kit because it diverges the focus on something that is not the point of the work. As i told you, this is not a full champion, so it is not forced to have an enstabilished kit, it could simply have few lines of text showing what he is capable of. In my opinion the kit stands as the most important part of the champion, but to each its own i guess.
Sp, TL;DR : for the readers, don' t judge too much harshly the kit, take it with a pinch of salt. To the developers, as i said, next time think twice on what adding to your work and with what confidence you do that, because it can cause a lot of divergence like this case.
dunkeroni2 votes"the only thing that Riot needs to do is code him in and add movement." That right there is the big part.
Fowus2 votesI dislike the kit but like everything else even the chromas
TheTarians2 votesI dislike the actual kit, kind of heavily... mostly since the W and E both seem too much like J4. But the idea seems cool, and I like it.
Bladerunner77772 votesit looks like Black Panther mixed with Greninja
The Loveless2 votesIn the many years that C&C has been up, that's a bold fcking claim, mate. Work was done, and the visuals are good, but the kit is incoherent. The champ needs more work.
GreenLore2 votesOverall I have to say that whoever made this did a really good job. Especially the splash art looks gorgeous And while the lore is written a bit weirdly,it is kinda cool seeing how he and his kind were the basis for creating Zac
However that said,it is not perfect.I have mainly 2 points that I think need some improvements(I didn't read the lore so I dunno about that):
1.The general theme of the champ.He is a frog-man with a staff and thats pretty much it.His kit revolves completely about his staff and a bit about the small guy gathering fireflys.But neither being a staff-user(
),nor collecting small glowing guys as a power up(
) are really unique,its stuff that we have already in the game,so he lacks a bit when it comes to having a unique theme.
And while we don't have a frog champ in the game,we do have 
who certainly resembles a frog and like I said,the fact that he is a frog isn't really a part of his kit.
2.Speaking of his kit,that could need some work too. Not being able to autoattack when you don't have a staff kinda sucks,yes you can reactivate the ability to get it back,but it still takes away some basic options from you. His ult should definetly be changed as the way it is,it is just a different quinn ult(dunno if this was designed before or after quinns rework),with less channeling,but only limited "fuel",not to mention that he is already extremely mobile(he can jump towards his staff and get a ms boost for it),the ult also mentions that while he uses it,his skills change,but the changed skills aren't listed anywhere.I also think that the ult kind of feels out of place,sigil looks like such a mystical fighter,that having him surf on his staff simply seems a bit out of place. Then there is the problem that his passive and thus his ult is completely useless on Dominion or Aram(as they lack any jungle monsters).
FloRaider421 votesbut the changed skills aren't listed anywhere
They forgot to update all skills when designing their own page, but the whole kit is visible on another site
That said I agree that they should have, put more time and care into the kit But this was a skill showcase from a group of artists and the kit wasn't their focus so don't judge too harshly
GreenLore1 votesAh thanks for the link.
And overall don't get me wrong,I really think it is quite good what they did there,see what I say as constructive criticism.
Intone2 votesHonestly the art and everything is cool, aweesome that they went this far with a champion concept, but when it comes to the champion's abilities, he's very stale. He has no crowd control, as a jungler. His silence seems to be targeted (is it? this isn't even specified very well) and if it is, there's no way such a mechanic will ever work its way into the game again, after Riot literally removed all targeted silences from the game. What are his cooldowns like? What's most important when it comes to champion design is the champion's gameplay. I wish they had focused on that aspect more.
Akenero1 votesWow, conceited much?
Vistha Kai1 votesI hoped for a reptile, got an amphibian.
Downvote.
HaugheyPuck991 votesVisuals are done really well, but the kit itself still needs some work. Also "Marsh Warden" should really be changed. When I hear the word warden I immediately think of thresh every time. Maybe something like "Marsh Guardian", or "Overseer of the Wetlands" instead.
Dunkrius2g1 votesAll i see is this. I upvote. The site it self looks really awesome. The amount of time you guys put into it is pretty tremendous. NJ!!
Aura3011 votesI thought he had a Greninja-esque look to him.
NayNays1 votesSo much work put into that page, looks amazing. But I dislike the name.
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votesmost complete champion concept created by community ever, great job guys
Captain Astora1 votesAverage-Good Champion Creations skills. Awesome Web Design.
Doesn't mean he is the chance. Darius was based off a Fan-Submission and when he came out there was hell to pay from the people fallowing it's creation.
