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Dynamic Queue will never have balanced matchmaking

AATTRROOXX·7/26/2016, 6:31:38 AM·49 votes·3,503 views

Rio recently released a new matchmaking update that pointed out how they have improved matchmaking for teams of 5 vs teams consisting of premades of 1-3. The statisctics show that Riot has increased balance to near 50/50 winrates for these teams.

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The statistics lie.

Teams of 5 have differing capabilities. Some will have voice comms, some will not. As long as these two groups even out, Riot can and will manipulate the statistics as much as they want.

A group without voice comms will be matched against players with vastly greater individual skill and will subsequently be slaughtered trying to best players better than them on even footing.

A group with voice comms will use their superior macro play and synchronicity to overcome these challenges and defeat the opponents with ease.

As Riot cannot and will never be able of knowing which scenario is true, there is no way for both to be balanced.

Ex: 70% of 5 player teams use voice chat, 30% don't. If the 70% won 60% of their games and the 30% only won 35% of their games, then you would get a 52.5% winrate for teams of 5 vs non teams of 1-3. Whilst 30% of those have an atrocious chance of winning.

Not to mention that teams of 5 without voice chat vs teams of 5 with voice chat is essentially pitting 5 randoms against a team without the MMR differences that make the near 50% winrate Riot has fabricated.

Riot cannot balance for this and there is no way for them to find this information.

RIOT CANNOT BALANCE FOR THIS AND THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO FIND THIS INFORMATION

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79 Comments

Mojihito6667/26/2016, 8:13:33 AM25 votes

Shut up rito did an excellent job.

Now we have equally 50/50% chance to stomp or get stomped.

Dominick Destine7/26/2016, 8:30:21 AM15 votes

Add Solo Queue option.

Let Dynamic Queue exist.

Then we will see what the community really wants.

balbraaksel7/26/2016, 2:44:22 PM9 votes

I realized this too and is an issue beyond repair. Dynamic queue's just an utter failure.

I wonder though, how does Riot 'balance' a group of 4 in ranked? Because one way is to match them with 1 lower skilled player to lower their chances of winning and matching them to a little higher than the average of that as an enemy team, another way is by matching them with higher skilled players.

I suspect the first one is currently how it's balanced which makes it impossible for a solo player to have any significant influence on the match and are subjected to the near total randomness of the arguments you made in this thread.

Hyrum Graff7/26/2016, 1:40:20 PM8 votes

Premades should expect to lose if they don't use voice chat. Just like solos should expect to lose if they refuse to ping or chat.

Premades who do use voice chat should expect to win more than 50%. Just like solos who ping and/or chat.

In short, you're complaining about something being the way it should be.

Edit: I turned this into a longer post, here.

Voladiotis7/27/2016, 2:16:47 AM5 votes

Ive been trying to say exactly this, how do you seperate a organized team from a 'pickup' team in dyna q? (you know what i mean, the oh we won last game so lets queue together type of pickup team)

Why should a solo or the other non premades (or smaller group of premades) be subjected to these disadvantages

How can you call this system a competitive ladder?

Positive Poppy7/26/2016, 6:34:36 AM4 votes

Rito could go ahead and add in-game voip. That'd be cool and a good start. Wait, did I say that out loud?

S H A Y C 07/26/2016, 12:45:54 PM3 votes

what exactly do you want them to do about third party voice applications?

there are so many now i dont think there is a single thing you have said here thats relevant.

any time you have a group of people willing to communicate and do whatever it takes to win vs a team of people not communicating and are unwilling to work that closely with their team mates the ones trying to win will come out on top more often than the lazy fucks.

curse is free, you can paste the link and have everybody just join and you dont have to friend them, or give them your email address or real name. its been around a long time, start using it and stop whining.

Burnt Light7/27/2016, 12:43:13 AM3 votes

Oh, false statistics? As if Riot wasn't already known for that...and people are still okay with it.

SirPurrr7/26/2016, 7:54:40 AM3 votes

Thing is even if it's all equal in ability to climb, ranks still mean different thing for solo and 3+ etc. Why clump them together as if they are exactly the same thing? This is why I can't take the game seriously anymore. DQ sounds great on paper until you think about the competitive implications.