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Pink Ward Slot (In response to "late game pink wards, issue")

Hershell··341 votes·12,908 views

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So here is an edit I made of the current in game HUD, so you get an idea of the concept.

Currently item 2043 Vision Wards are consumable items in League of Legends, meaning that it will be placed in your item slots and can be used there.

The issue of it being a consumable item, is that when you have no item slots left to purchase it, you just can't buy it and this hits hard late game when your trinkets cannot provide enough vision with its cooldowns and vision wards are a necessity for there to be counter play against stealth-based champions (like Akali Shaco Teemo Twitch ).

My suggestion is implementing another slot for pink wards itself, and not placing it in the items slot. This allows for the purchase of vision wards late game or even when you have a full item slot. The only downside of this is that it requires another keybinding for the new slot and the HUD has to be changed a little bit such that it stays similar regardless of the map, which I'm sure aren't that big of problems as to stop the implementation of this into the game.

Please leave any feedback, thoughts or ideas on the topic in the comment section below.

148 Comments

Forhonor32135 votes

I'm completely in agreement with this idea. Dealing with stealth champions late game really is a pain when you have a full item build but no room for a pink ward. My only comment about this is that it the slot would have to open fairly late in the game around 20-30 min mark just because having right from the start feels a little unfair for those the stealth champions early game.

Shyvauni17 votes

Most people are no where near full build until 20-30 minutes in regardless. I often buy pinks on my first back and restock as needed until I hit full build as a support anyways so this would not make it any less fair at all. The early game would be exactly the same. Now you would be right if the pink wards started being free which imo would be a stupid change.

Darkvaine5 votes

not exactly, sometimes you have uncompleted items.

Shyvauni3 votes

True but it has never once taken up all 6 slots or stopped me from buying pinks a I go in any role I get.

AninLegions7772 votes

After 3 items (boots included), many items require 3 sub-items to be built meaning you'll have no space for pinks. And don't forget the health potions making it less likely for the purchase of a pink ward.

Faceless Voidz1 votes

Which would put the game time at about 20 minutes.

AninLegions7771 votes

so?

Delioth3 votes

The time at which they said it should unlock.

Darkvaine2 votes

true, but idk what role you pick, but i find my self picking between health pots or trinkets, its do able, yes. but it shouldnt be that way

WhiteMage77112 votes

I miss being able to upgrade the trinket to a pink ward.

MrryZ11 votes

But won't that just completely negate any viability of stealth champions? if theres a dedicated slot for a pink ward theres no reason people won't buy them meaning stealth champions lose a large part of their kit. I see why it's a good idea though as it can get super annoying to have to choose between a final item or countering stealth champions.

kile14713 votes

For most of the game people have open slots for pink wards which doesn't really change their buying patterns (they either remember to buy them or they don't). This would only affect champs at or near full build.

Nymzo3 votes

Not really no, stealth is not exactly the main mechanic of all the stealth champions.

They either use stealth as a gap closer: Evelynn Khazix Rengar Shaco Talon Twitch

or for a cover: Akali Teemo Vayne

For the first group, that only allow you to react a little bit faster (since you know where they are).

Pink wards completely denied the second group.

RoodToob14 votes

Well, its not their entire kit, but its what makes them viable. Permanent pinks against Rengar Shaco Twitch Evelynn and maybe Talon completely nullify their combos, they are balanced around their stealth. That means that pinks from time to time make it easy to deal with them, but always having pinks makes them useless due to their play pattern being completely countered

The other champs would be annoyed by pink wards, but aren't dependant on their stealth

Nymzo4 votes

Talon and Shaco, I agreed.

Evelynn and Twitch, not sure, since their stealth only help them to approach the battlefield. Most Eve have to ult at some point while Twitch players use to stealth in teamfight for positionning and not for engaging.

Rengar? Hell no. What is scary about Rengar is not the stealth, it's the bonus movement speed with the Mario jump (and his damage, of course). You could literally remove of the stealth and Rengar would still be viable.

RoodToob1 votes

Twitch normally flanks their team, only possible with his stealth, but Evelynn i can see your point

Rengar's bonus movement speed comes after his Ult, only a slight bonus in ultimate. Im not sure on viability without stealth, he uses that stealth to be in position to kill the enemies he assassinates, to sneak behind the team

Thaurron1 votes

He gets a big movespeed bonus but he also reveals nearby champions so it's easy for him to make a pick.

Even if you throw down a pink as soon as you see the exclamation mark, he can still leap over your frontline and onto your carry. Then he does like a bajillion damage or something.

RoodToob2 votes

Rengar gains 15% while in ultimate only while moving towards enemy champions, 45% once out of Ulti

other than that, accurate

Hipercsiga1 votes

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Well, its not their entire kit, but its what makes them viable. Permanent pinks against Rengar Shaco Twitch Evelynn and maybe Talon completely nullify their combos, they are balanced around their stealth. That means that pinks from time to time make it easy to deal with them, but always having pinks makes them useless due to their play pattern being completely countered

The other champs would be annoyed by pink wards, but aren't dependant on their stealth

Well, not always having pinks. You would still have to buy them I think. They just wouldn't take the place away from build items.

MrryZ1 votes

But with a dedicated spot there would be no reason not to buy them and there'd be a lot more pressure to constantly have pink wards.

Hipercsiga1 votes

That's the point. not buying pinks against invisible champions is like not getting vision at all. Buy it, don't be that guy who feeds Shaco and blames the jungler! The support can only place 1 pink and there is soooo many thin walls where invisible champions can get through and avoid your normal wards.

Hipercsiga1 votes

Thats why you have your own support, razorbeak buffs...etc. You can only place 5 pinks per team. So, you can't cover everything. Aside from that, everytime Temmo, Evelynn or Shaco is in the game, nobody buys pinks. This is true between bronze and plat so they would turn into more low elo picks than high elo ones. They would be still pretty strong there but significantly weaker in high elo.

MrryZ1 votes

pinks aren't used to counter stealth champions by being placed like normal wards, they're used instantly as soon as you have an indication that a champion is stealthed. Also I don't know where you got the fact that nobody buys pinks but that just simply isn't true. A lot of people are now choosing to buy pinks and I'm brozne so I can only imagine higher elos buy them more.

Hipercsiga1 votes

"A lot of people are now choosing to buy pinks" Supports and ADCs sometimes. I see 1-1 mid or top laner who gets a pink every week or two week. It's almost never seen in the case of junglers.

"pinks aren't used to counter stealth champions by being placed like normal wards, they're used instantly as soon as you have an indication that a champion is stealthed" Have you heard about Evelynn, Kha'zix, Shaco or Wukong,? they can get through normal wards and get right next to you in invisibility. If you are facing one of them. Pinks are used to prevent them from getting close to you undetected just like normal wards. You not going to notice if one of them is stealthed around you because they have a long stealth duration on low CD and only Evelynn has an indicator, but by that time she is close enough to slow you. So, yes, pink wards are used as normal wards against those champions because they can jump over walls, take an unexpected route and get to you in stealth. If you are playing against talon, akali, rengar, Teemo, Vayne, twitch or a bad player from the champions listed above you know they are in stealth around you if you used normal wards. However, the enemy can see your "dead" wards on the floor and expect you to keep warding those places and avoid them by jumping over walls (or cloning/dashing if it's a frikin wukong main). If you are farming, outside your tower range against Evelynn, Kha'zix, Shaco, Wukong without pink warding your ass you deserve a dagger in it.

DrCyanide6 votes

I like the two dots (indicating you've got two wards available). If it was in-game I'd also like the icon to dim if I don't have any wards.

item 3362 and item 3361 , how I miss you :'(

Vik4prez6 votes

Support will be able to build 6 items? A small but important victory for the most thankless of roles!

Mandang03 votes

I 100% support a slot for vision - I don't see the counterargument that slot limitation on vision is an interesting aspect of gameplay or adds anything to the game.

That said, you could also map shift+(number) to toggle a ward slot or sightstone between placing pink and green wards, to save you a slot if you want to have both.

Shyvauni2 votes

Green wards do not exist anymore... Just trinket/sightstone wards and Pink wards now

DirtyRookMain3 votes

I can't help but agree with Orange, this would be beneficial to all of us. It would have other effects as well, such as more cooperation with vision control/denial.

Hershell3 votes

To counter a point many people have been making:

Personally, I feel this implementation is not "unfair" towards stealth champions and it would not negate the viability of them as all this does is add an extra slot for vision wards. item 2043 Vision wards by itself has always been a counter to stealth and making a slot for it only allows the usage for it late game (when you have a full build).

Stealth can really be a problem late game as your carry can die almost instantaneously because an assassin pops out of nowhere and kills them and from there it's almost as if it's a lost team fight. Think of it this way, if you were the ADC, this atleast creates some sort of counter-play to assassins, rather than hoping your teammates will quickly react and peal for you in the few seconds you will die in as you can't really rely on teammates on solo queue.

Nymzo2 votes

They are just scare that their favorite champion would become useless because of this change.

Which doesn't make sense since last time I checked, pink wards don't stop assasins to jump on the adc.

DarkRitual2 votes

When you are playing Evelynn or Rengar, it sorta does stop them from getting to them, since they can't do it completely unnoticed.

Hershell2 votes

But that is with Pink Wards itself, which has been in the game for a long time, not with having a slot for using it.

Thaurron2 votes

We know that another major class rework is due by the end of the season, and assassins are being considered. Perhaps it'll include a (long-overdue) stealth rework and give champions like Akali an escape mechanism that isn't completely nullified by 75g.

Jesus Is My King3 votes

sacrifice vision for full build. get over it. how much more op do you want to be? to the point where no one plays stealth champs ever again? jesus.

LordBahamutXVI3 votes

Or bring back Pink Trinket. Please Riot.

Mast3rShake2 votes

It's too easy of a fix so that means riot won't do it

Jesus is Savior2 votes

This was suggested over 6 months ago during the preseason lmao. Riot doesn't care.

They even addressed the fact that this was an issue (and still didn't do anything about it).

Madra2 votes

I've always felt that a clear and well defined utility tree should have a vision ward slot available as a high level talent purchase. The problem is that we no longer have a well defined and unique utility tree anymore. Something along the lines of... "Vision wards now cost only 60g and go into a unique inventory slot."

facemelter7102 votes

I like it but it might be 2 much. They could just bring back the pink wards trinket. Also lets make ruby sightstone not shitty add 300 gold to the combination cost and give it a passive that reads. This champion may have 1 additional pink ward on the rift. (2) total at a time. Badda Bing badda boom.

AsianProdigy2 votes

And also, if this happens, then give support the ability to carry around more fucking wards so that we don't have to deal with 5 enemies with pinks and sweepers clearing out the wards they just placed

Kosm1K2 votes

Please riot, you can't really expect us to forsake an item slot just to counter all the stealth champs that have been running rampant since the vision changes started. You created this problem when oracle's elixer was removed from SR, and only made it worse by updating the trinkets and completely removing the pink ward trinket upgrade, which may have been too strong yes, but now the game is practically lost if you're against a jungler like eve because it's impossible to keep everything warded when the TEAM as a WHOLE can only place one vision ward each, which becomes maybe one or two max as the game progresses thanks to them needing to buy items. Having a stealth champ in a team now vastly increases the odds of them winning because of how incredibly difficult it is to play against them now. I understand stealth needed to be stronger since it used to be that going stealth was useless, but now stealth is crazy, and having a good eve on a team just completely puts the odds on their favor thanks to that one pick. Not to mention the fact that vision wards are now visible and have less health, which makes them simple to just clear away, and most of the time, it's difficult to prevent it. Either bring back item 2047 to SR or give us a pink ward slot to make things slightly more bearable late game.

This other post on boards leads me to believe that the issue is not only promoting spamming stealth, but also toxicity.

VentusDragoon2 votes

I just wish that they would bring back the old pink ward upgrade. That worked wonderfully.

CheftoniFTW2 votes

Who wants to bet no Red will show up?

ntbcool2 votes

what about a consumable slot instead? pretty much the same thing but works with other consumables like pots and elixirs, would make a little more flexible and interesting. nevertheless still a great idea

Kouhey2 votes

to be fucking honest, it's just a disgrace they reworked the trinket system, it was such a healthy, fair and diversified aid to vision control. But Riot wants everyone to not have a disadvantage if they forget to upgrade their trinkets. Well, if you keep forgetting to upgrade/change trinkets you deserve to be bad.

AsianProdigy1 votes

If this idea were to be implemented, then shouldn't there be some kind of compensation for champs that rely heavily on stealth? (e.g. Evelynn, shaco, twitch, etc..)

I feel if the whole team were able to have pink wards at their disposable throughout the entire game, then these champs would practically become useless as stealth is what makes these champions.

kaltenashes2 votes

Rito adds a slot for pink wards and suddenly stealth Champs are unplayable? Like wtf??

Imagine if players were able to buy pink wards when game starts, if that happens Rito needs to buff every stealth champ to fotm

AsianProdigy2 votes

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Rito adds a slot for pink wards and suddenly stealth Champs are unplayable? Like wtf??

Imagine if players were able to buy pink wards when game starts, if that happens Rito needs to buff every stealth champ to fotm

What I mean is that Riot shouldn't add a slot SPECIFICALLY for a pink ward. If this happens, the entire team can just have a pink ward ready at their disposable even at full build just to counter a stealth champion like Rengar.

But what they should do is bring back the old trinket system where the yellow trinket could be upgraded into either a buffed sight ward or into a pink ward. This way, late game, allowing the option to upgrade the trinket into a pink ward makes this completely situational instead of having it where people has the pink ward AND sweeper to use.

Battlecast Sona3 votes

so you mean me being able to have the only counterplay available to me for your role at 6 items is somehow unfair?

I'm really failing to see how "you finally progressed to 6 items so you should be punished" is good gameplay for anyone, especially if all it protects is a faulty assassin. It seems to me the problem is more on the stealth mechanic itself than on pink wards being available - but there should never be a point where hitting 6 items makes you less able to counter the enemy team. That's just silly - and it's been in League of Legends for a long time now.

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