The ones that barely have a positive score only when it's a full stomp. They should be restricted to normals for a bit,as I hate having people that failed to learn to play from the 1-30 level up and going 1/12. Also for AFK,if the AFK gets DC'ed and stays AFK for 5 minutes+, there could be someone joining in their place and taking over their champ/score/gold.
Trylobyte3 votesNo, guys, none of you get it. The problem is we're not going far enough! Introduce a new series of punishments to help foster a competitive environment. We'll call it 'Ranked 2.0.'
We believe these changes will help thin undesirable player types out of the Ranked scene so the truly competitive players who wish to focus entirely on their own betterment can have a more enjoyable gaming experience.
Dragfin2 votesGood luck with that. Todays society says it is ok to suck at something and still be able to participate with no repercussions. It's a big reason that we have so many failures in our society today. There is absolutely no incentive for one to improve at anything they do. Those who do strive to improve themselves are pretty much SOL with the poor leadership that we have today and have to deal with it the best they can or stop doing it.
MoleMage8 votesThere are repercussions...in the levels of play where you actually stand to do League as a living. If you're bad at something, you don't get to keep making money off of it.
A person has the right to do whatever they want in their free time as long as it isn't illegal, even if they are terrible at it. I could take up metalworking during my free time, even if I can't metalwork a paperclip into a straight bit of metal. I'm not allowed to work in a welding shop.
Dragfin1 votesThere are repercussions...in the levels of play where you actually stand to do League as a living. If you're bad at something, you don't get to keep making money off of it.
A person has the right to do whatever they want in their free time as long as it isn't illegal, even if they are terrible at it. I could take up metalworking during my free time, even if I can't metalwork a paperclip into a straight bit of metal. I'm not allowed to work in a welding shop.
I have the right to complain about those players as well. Why is their unwillingness to improve given a free pass? Why do those of us willing to improve have to deal with them? It goes both ways but incompetence is celebrated in todays society as a virtue and there is so much of it that it's not even funny. Leadership does nothing about it. I don't care if it's recreational. These people are wasting the time of others. Why is that not wrong?
Lauchmelder5 votesThose willing to improve only have to deal with them until they are good enough to get out of their current rank. Those not willing to improve (or unable to do so) will be stuck with those Players because, simply said, they aren't good enough/not better than them.
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=j9x1MJxW,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-19T13:50:40.734+0000)
Those willing to improve only have to deal with them until they are good enough to get out of their current rank. Those not willing to improve (or unable to do so) will be stuck with those Players because, simply said, they aren't good enough/not better than them.
My point is you should never have to deal with them but because in this type of game you have to there needs to be better incentive for those unwilling to improve. My solution is to relegate them to bots for 24 hours, a week, a month, and finally permanent. There are ways, people just need to have the balls to do it.
In real life activities, be it recreational or professional. If you don't "bring it" you will be grouped with others who don't. There are a lot of us who want that here as well and there are ways to make it happen. I should not have to deal with garbage on a regular basis like I do in League. I'm not a pro and I'm not even close but there are tons of people I play with every day that have no business playing this game with me. I would bet that for every good player there are 20 who just don't give a fuck and I should not have to deal with those players ever.
Mecha MaIphite7 votesComparing a video game to society is completely ridiculous. It's a recreational activity; there is generally no harm done for underperforming.
Going by your argument, we should also ban people from playing sports recreationally. After all, if they suck at it, why should they play it?
Dragfin1 votesComparing a video game to society is completely ridiculous. It's a recreational activity; there is generally no harm done for underperforming.
Going by your argument, we should also ban people from playing sports recreationally. After all, if they suck at it, why should they play it?
It's only ridiculous to those who are unwilling to improve one self. Why should those of us who do try and improve have to deal with those that don't? When you can answer that question then and only then will I continue this conversation. Otherwise you are just wasting my time.
Mecha MaIphite6 votesBecause for most, applying that sort of mentality to everything is ultimately detrimental towards actual progress. It's even worse when you try to impose that unhealthy mentality on others.
Self-improvement is an admirable goal, but it's important to distinguish it from an overly competitive attitude that is harmful in the long run to social relations and a general state of happiness.
Dragfin1 votesBecause for most, applying that sort of mentality to everything is ultimately detrimental towards actual progress. It's even worse when you try to impose that unhealthy mentality on others.
Self-improvement is an admirable goal, but it's important to distinguish it from an overly competitive attitude that is harmful in the long run to social relations and a general state of happiness.
We both have our opinions. Everyone has seen what the world has become because of people with yours.
Mecha MaIphite1 votesYeah, remember the good old days, where minorities were regarded as genetically inferior and real scientific and social progress was inhibited by outdated traditions?
Good times, man.
Dragfin1 votesYeah, remember the good old days, where minorities were regarded as genetically inferior and real scientific and social progress was inhibited by outdated traditions?
Good times, man.
I stand by what I said. Have a nice day troll.
Scary Door1 votesI stand by what I said. Have a nice day troll.
Shouldn't /you/ learn to improve first? I mean, I'm looking at your match history and, frankly, it isn't pretty.
12/14 Kindred, 9/11/11 Brand, 7/11 Heimer, 2/14 Heimer, 11/16 Mundo, 16 deaths in a game? and you're talking about someone else needing to improve?
Best part about your running commentary is that you are the very definition of the people you hate, going much further back in your history, you have been very hit or miss in almost all of your games. Where's your improvement? Basically you play nothing but ARAM or featured game modes, you feed in over 50% of those games and can't even CS.
Not sure what business you have telling others to improve when you're a casual level player, at best.
Next time, I'd recommend looking in the mirror when dispensing your advice. Have a good day, ma'am.
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=j9x1MJxW,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-22T13:39:50.550+0000)
Shouldn't /you/ learn to improve first? I mean, I'm looking at your match history and, frankly, it isn't pretty.
12/14 Kindred, 9/11/11 Brand, 7/11 Heimer, 2/14 Heimer, 11/16 Mundo, 16 deaths in a game? and you're talking about someone else needing to improve?
Best part about your running commentary is that you are the very definition of the people you hate, going much further back in your history, you have been very hit or miss in almost all of your games. Where's your improvement? Basically you play nothing but ARAM or featured game modes, you feed in over 50% of those games and can't even CS.
Not sure what business you have telling others to improve when you're a casual level player, at best.
Next time, I'd recommend looking in the mirror when dispensing your advice. Have a good day, ma'am.
People like you make me smile. You are too ignorant to see the big picture. Makes me feel a lot better when the ignorance of others shows itself like you did.
Thanks for making my day.
Scary Door2 votesPeople like you make me smile. You are too ignorant to see the big picture. Makes me feel a lot better when the ignorance of others shows itself like you did.
Thanks for making my day.
So patronizing. Obviously you didn't have an actual respond to the substance of my post and, therefore, decided to just make an ad hominem argument. There's ignorance displayed here alright... and it's yours.
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=j9x1MJxW,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-22T14:29:13.700+0000)
So patronizing. Obviously you didn't have an actual respond to the substance of my post and, therefore, decided to just make an ad hominem argument. There's ignorance displayed here alright... and it's yours.
Whatever helps you feel better about yourself but smart people understand that simple stats never tell the whole story about anything. I am sorry you don't fit into that category but you keep telling yourself w/e it is to make yourself happy in your obvious pathetic life.
CrimsonCobra31 votesIt's rare I see a good citation of a logical Fallacy. Just for completeness, I went through your argument for fallacies, and didn't spot any blazing ones. The logic may not be the most defined. (For instance what do 'improving' and 'casual player' mean?) But I'd definitely agree with the general argument: he is claiming that others should be punished (rather severely) for something he cannot prove he himself does not do. (Which falls under the definition of hypocrisy.)
That said, his argument should be analyzed objectively as well. So what if his proposed changes would result in his own punishment? Would it be a good idea?
Objectively, I must still say no, and that is due to the definition of 'game.' (def) If you want to make the argument that this should at least apply to Ranked, I would argue that Ranked is actually the very definition of this system. Except that instead of being punished for doing poorly, you are rewarded for doing well. If you do well, you increase your rank. Doing poorly reduces your rank proportionally.
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RampageRafshan1 votesComparing a video game to society is completely ridiculous. It's a recreational activity; there is generally no harm done for underperforming.
Going by your argument, we should also ban people from playing sports recreationally. After all, if they suck at it, why should they play it?
Idiot thats why bad players are benched while good players are kept on the team. This is a 5 man game and if you continuously under perform then you should shut up and go play some CO OP because players who are held back because of you dont deserve losing because of you. Stop encouraging retards in games who never improve and dont act like there isnt any.
Meep Man2 votesI hate people who bash on those who are having a bad game. There should probably be a punishment for those who bash on those who have a negative score. They should be restricted from the game for a bit, as I hate people that failed to learn how to treat others when they grew up.
Maximum Morde2 votesThere already is. They lose matches and are punished by having their rank and mmr drop into the pits of hell, where they end up playing with Lyless.
Hellpyre1 votesThe punishment should be that they have to queue with you the next game you play. Even if they aren't online.
CrimsonCobra31 votesYou do realize this is recreation right? We only punish for doing poorly when something very important is at stake. Furthermore, their score doesn't exist in a vacuum, and you are ignoring every other factor besides their performance.
