Katey, Nurse Flan, can we talk about Star Guardian Lux?

RavenHusky··5 votes·3,564 views

I realize that you guys had no plans to make Star Guardian a legendary skin, but I wish that you would reconsider that decision. Because when a good portion of the feedback in the main PBE thread says "Make it legendary," even the top post of the thread wants the skin to be legendary, you know that you've done something right, but at the same time, fallen short of player expectations as well, because my excitement for the skin is getting drowned out by my disappointment for what could have been.

The biggest thing that people have wanted being a new voiceover. Being one of the older champs in the game, she doesn't have as many lines as most of the newer champions, and even older, visually updated champions are seeing expanded voiceovers as well. Without a visual update in the near future, that likely wouldn't happen for Lux any time soon, and SG Lux is the best opportunity to get an expanded VO, and an opportunity that is seriously being missed. Just being able to interact with her fellow Demacians, as well as her close friends like Ezreal, would be cool, and in the magical girl spirit of the skin, it would be awesome if Lux would directly address her enemies, as well as have a couple lines for Leona and Diana about the sun, moon, and stars. Carrie Keranen recently revealed herself as Lux's voice actress, and it would be really awesome if she were to come back in and do the voicework for us.

Also Katey, your response to my ask.fm question was also disappointing. Back in 2013 during the fallout of the Steel Legion fiasco, Morello defined "The Skin" as a skin that takes all the cool parts of a champion, and drives them home, which I believe applies to Star Guardian. I know you're personally a fan of the Void Lux concept, but to me, as well as a lot of other Lux mains, Lux is cute, has a positive personality, is bright, colorful, magical, and makes it very clear that she's going to melt your face off with a giant laser, and Star Guardian delivers on all of it.

I know that there are other themes floating around out there that would also make for good 975/1350 tier skins, such as Void Lux for Halloween, Candy Cane Lux for Christmas, and Neon Lux as a random fun skin, but I don't really see any of them having the strong enough thematics needed to hit legendary status that Star Guardian has the potential to be, as I don't believe that there's anything that fits her better.

Also, the issue of timeframe comes in again, as since we had to wait over two years for Star Guardian, how long would we have to wait for a potentially legendary skin now that Lux has six skins, considering that other champions are in dire need of skins as well? And that's assuming a stronger theme can even be found.

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Sukishoo6 votes

At this point, the skin is already done. They just need the splash art which we will probably see today and then the patch with it will be released next week

RavenHusky2 votes

While on the PBE, everything is still subject to change, hence why I'm still trying to get this to happen. Skins have been delayed in order to improve them before.

Sukishoo7 votes

Yes that's true, however, the skin has been on the PBE for almost two weeks and they just put up the splashes for the other skins that came up with it.. so we should see it's splash today as the patch comes down to an end. So they won't do anything like that to it.

RavenHusky2 votes

It's only been just over a week, there still is time for feedback to get though. Some people on the PBE thread have been saying that it should have been legendary, and that they are willing to wait for it.

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/XOpyBTOy-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-star-guardian-lux

Sukishoo5 votes

Nope. It's done. It's been almost 2 weeks like I said as it's been on there for 10 days. 4/28 is when it hit the PBE.

They won't make it into a "bigger" skin as they've already said they planned the skins out to be a certain type and aren't going to change that.

RavenHusky2 votes

For the the 750 skins yeah, but for a bigger skin like Lux's which was much more anticipated and elaborate, I'm still hoping that they'd consider the option to make it legendary, and that will be the hope until they definitively say that it is not the case.

Sukishoo5 votes

No, all their skins they've said they planned out on a schedule. They don't have the bandwidth to go in and hold off a skin because someone wants it to be a higher tier. It's like how Ashe doesn't get new visual effects for her upcoming rework because they don't have the time to get the visual artists in there as it would set another project behind.

Sukishoo1 votes

Called it. Skin is DONE http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/05/57-pbe-update.html Splash released. Skin will be in next weeks patch.

RavenHusky1 votes

Kind of figured... Still such a missed opportunity. Looks beautiful though, although I hope her face can be changed to look less Jinx-crazy.

Sukishoo1 votes

Maybe, but same could be said about quite a few skins... too bad :/

I think it looks alright myself.

Riotmoonstones4 votes

Hey RavenHusky,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

First off, I'm sorry to hear about your disappointment in Star Guardian Lux not being a legendary skin. Although she may not have new VO, she does have a lot of cool bells and whistles in the skin itself, including a new idle animation and dance animation.

I do stand by my ask.fm answer in that we don't have plans to delay this skin to make it a legendary. As I've mentioned, that doesn't mean that she's out of the running for a legendary skin or even an ultimate skin in the future.

Taken from Morello's post -

Let's look at Ezreal. In my mind, Pulsefire is "the" skin for Ezreal - it really enhances most of the cool things about Ezreal (including anime-inspired tech) and meets a lot of Ezreal player's expectations creatively - not just in quality. ... The Lux argument, I think, it really associated to "all these skins are counter to the reasons we like Lux, and none of them support the fantasy." Not all skins do, but at least one skin needs to just nail it and fulfill that primary need.

Pulsefire Ezreal is an ultimate skin, as opposed to a legendary, however, I do think regardless of the skin tier, a skin should enhance at least some of the cool things about a champion. I agree that a lot of the military Lux skins didn't bring out some of the cooler aspects of her.

I know you're personally a fan of the Void Lux concept, but to me, as well as a lot of other Lux mains, Lux is cute, has a positive personality, is bright, colorful, magical, and makes it very clear that she's going to melt your face off with a giant laser, and Star Guardian delivers on all of it.

I am! I think it's a cool twist on her personality, and I think Star Guardian Lux really hits the nail on the head when it comes to portraying Lux's bubbly nature. Keep in mind, that my opinion in no way determines the next thematic for any skin - it's a team effort. ^-^

Also, the issue of timeframe comes in again, as since we had to wait over two years for Star Guardian, how long would we have to wait for a potentially legendary skin now that Lux has six skins, considering that other champions are in dire need of skins as well? And that's assuming a stronger theme can even be found.

Two years is a fairly substantial amount of time to wait for a skin, and if you're waiting for a new skin for your favorite champion, it can certainly seem like forever. Some champions have waiting even longer for a skin, and there's various reasons for it. Taric is a good example of this, but he's in the middle of a rework, so we'd like to wait until he gets his new look before giving him a skin. We've been pushing out more skins than ever, and have been hitting a lot of the champions who haven't seen a skin in a while - such as Akali and Galio.

RavenHusky1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gg3ToPEe,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-05-11T18:11:55.295+0000)

Hey RavenHusky,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

First off, I'm sorry to hear about your disappointment in Star Guardian Lux not being a legendary skin. Although she may not have new VO, she does have a lot of cool bells and whistles in the skin itself, including a new idle animation and dance animation.

I do stand by my ask.fm answer in that we don't have plans to delay this skin to make it a legendary. As I've mentioned, that doesn't mean that she's out of the running for a legendary skin or even an ultimate skin in the future.

I played a ton with the skin on the PBE over the past couple weeks, so I know how awesome it is as it stands right now. It's just that when you get so invested in seeing a good skin actually come out for her, I kind of need to make sure that it is done right, and while not making it legendary was still a missed opportunity, it's still an awesome skin.

Taken from Morello's post -

Pulsefire Ezreal is an ultimate skin, as opposed to a legendary, however, I do think regardless of the skin tier, a skin should enhance at least some of the cool things about a champion. I agree that a lot of the military Lux skins didn't bring out some of the cooler aspects of her.

I am! I think it's a cool twist on her personality, and I think Star Guardian Lux really hits the nail on the head when it comes to portraying Lux's bubbly nature. Keep in mind, that my opinion in no way determines the next thematic for any skin - it's a team effort. ^-^

Back then, Morello used Pulsefire Ezreal for sake of example because that was the best skin that he had at the time in order to compare it to Lux's skin situation at the time, which was less about skin tiers, and more about "does this skin fit the champion," which Lux didn't have at the time. Now that Star Guardian is a thing, it will most likely be The Skin for Lux for a lot of people because it's the only one that really embodies what she really is.

As for the theme of whatever legendary skin Lux happens to get, people have wanted a Sailor Moon themed skin for a very long time, even before Steel Legion was a thing, and while I know that there is plenty of opportunity for skins down the line (I saw the Ravenborn Lux concept art on Elohell.net and DeviantArt, Riot Pls), I still believe that using her best obvious skin theme on a 1350 skin was a mistake. Maybe there's a theme that fits her better, but right now, I'm not seeing it. I would have loved something on Super Galaxy Rumble levels of awesome being an anime skin, because at that point, the only thing missing would be the voiceover and some extra animations.

Two years is a fairly substantial amount of time to wait for a skin, and if you're waiting for a new skin for your favorite champion, it can certainly seem like forever. Some champions have waiting even longer for a skin, and there's various reasons for it. Taric is a good example of this, but he's in the middle of a rework, so we'd like to wait until he gets his new look before giving him a skin. We've been pushing out more skins than ever, and have been hitting a lot of the champions who haven't seen a skin in a while - such as Akali and Galio.

I'm well aware that other champions are in even more dire need of skins, which again is why I'm so invested in seeing this one done right, because if you're not going to see another skin in the nearish future, you'd want to see her current skin be as good as it could be. One of the big things about Steel Legion besides being military was that as her fifth skin, we knew that it would be forever before Lux got another shot at a skin that really fit her, which at that point, Morello came out and said that he had wanted to get another skin expedited for her, which clearly didn't happen as he had moved on from the skin team some time after that, and that is kind of where our frustrations in not seeing a skin in over two years come from.

Either way, you guys did an awesome job on Star Guardian Lux, even if it is not legendary, and I'm looking forward to climbing the solo queue ladder with it.

In other news, PAX Prime tickets are now a thing, and I'm thinking about cosplaying as Spellthief Lux (as a guy, it's a lot easier to do Spellthief than any of her other skins), Don't know if it's going to happen, but I'm thinking about it.

Strawberrycocoa2 votes

It's make a great Legendary skin, but if they haven't recorded new voiceover, I dunno if there's time now to make that happen.

(If I am understanding you correctly, there is currently no new VO?)

RavenHusky2 votes

Currently no new VO, but those of us on the PBE forums that want the skin to be legendary said that we are willing to wait if the skin is delayed in order to be made legendary.

Strawberrycocoa3 votes

That'd be great! :D

RavenHusky2 votes

That's what I'm hoping, even though at the moment, it's not likely to happen.

TopGallant2 votes

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Currently no new VO, but those of us on the PBE forums that want the skin to be legendary said that we are willing to wait if the skin is delayed in order to be made legendary.

The chances of this happening are next to none. It's not very often Riot changes their price tiers.

RavenHusky2 votes

That's why I'm asking, because it won't happen at all if nothing is said.

CosmicWaters2 votes

Yeah I was really disappointed as well in the fact that this was 1950, Star Guardian Lux as like final boss viegar would be like a million times better

RavenHusky1 votes

You mean 1350?

Magicsparkle1 votes

No, just giveme the skin now!!!!!......idc about the voice whatever... i want the skin naaaaw... no more waiiitt!!!

RavenHusky2 votes

We've already waited this long, What's a little while longer if it means that the skin would be that much better?

Magicsparkle1 votes

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We've already waited this long, What's a little while longer if it means that the skin would be that much better?

that much better? is just a voice....that idc for....so no, not worth the wait......

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Give it to meee nawwwwwwwwwwww

RavenHusky2 votes

It wouldn't just be the voice, they'd have to add a lot more unique animations to it as well.

Magicsparkle3 votes

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It wouldn't just be the voice, they'd have to add a lot more unique animations to it as well.

Well if they add more stuffs... maybe is worth the wait......just maybee.......... if the new stuffs are really nice.

Magicsparkle1 votes

OMG wait if they add this.... i will wait XDXDXD

http://i.imgur.com/pjyVjg1.gif

RavenHusky2 votes

SG Lux's recall animation is already an abbreviated version of Sailor Moon's season one transformation.

warpenguin5551 votes

i would really not like a new VO for it, im not really a fan of those

Lucifer1 votes

I love Star Guardian Lux! I hope they consider it for a chroma

RavenHusky1 votes

I'm pretty sure that they will give it a set of chromas eventually considering the theme of the skin, but I wouldn't expect them any time soon.

Vuux1 votes

To be honest, I'm simply happy that Lux is finally getting a themed skin that suits her personality. It doesn't have to be legendary, or have tons of bells and whistles. I exclusively play Lux (probably over 3k games with just her now.) (Although, I've been messing around with Vel'koz a little as of late.) and I'm satisfied with how this skin came out. Just try not to let your expectation for "What it could of been." throw a sour note in something we should all be celebrating. There are so many other champions out there that are in desperate need for a good skin as well, some even more so than Lux. We were lucky that the team did acknowledge our disappointment in Steel Legion, and while it did take a while for this skin to come out, I'm sure that had they not thought it was an issue, we'd still be tapping our feet impatiently along with some of the other players waiting on skins for their champs (Like Zac.)

The Lux fan community has already taken on a bad wrap for being "ungrateful" in the eyes of other players, which to some extent I could understand. It's like standing in a candy store, and you've got 3 pieces of candy in your hand, and the kid next to you has 5, but they aren't the candy they wanted, so they get another while you're still waiting for your 4th. Let's just try to be grateful that we got our skin, and try to enjoy it to it's fullest.

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